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Chicago Firearms Confiscation Begins
The Truth About Guns ^ | July 28, 2013 | Nick Leghorn

Posted on 07/28/2013 1:18:22 PM PDT by Kip Russell

There’s a good reason that law abiding gun owners don’t want their names on a national gun registry — namely, registration leads to confiscation. Gun control advocates immediately spout that “no one wants to take your guns” and other assorted platitudes designed to comfort gun owners about the prospect of being treated like sex offenders. And yet, from the city of Chicago comes a story of exactly that: registered gun owners having their guns confiscated . . .

In Illinois, gun owners are required to get a Firearms Owners ID card, or FOID. It’s good for 10 years, and then you need to it. But if you don’t renew your card, or if you do something that displeases the powers that be, your FOID is NULL and VOID. Which means you can’t own guns legally.

Cook County police officers have become increasingly worried that when someone’s FOID card is revoked, their guns aren’t instantly confiscated. So they’re doing exactly what gun control advocates have said that registration would never result in — door to door confiscation.

(Excerpt) Read more at thetruthaboutguns.com ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; chicago; confiscation; guncontrol; illinois; secondamendment

1 posted on 07/28/2013 1:18:22 PM PDT by Kip Russell
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To: Kip Russell

It’s unlawful for them to “regulate” a constitutional right out of existence.


2 posted on 07/28/2013 1:20:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kip Russell

Nazism comes to Amerika! Whodda thunk!


3 posted on 07/28/2013 1:21:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Let's make it our turn in 2014. Vote early and VOTE OFTEN.)
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To: Kip Russell

The unintentional consequences of this action will be very interesting.


4 posted on 07/28/2013 1:22:10 PM PDT by magua
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To: Kip Russell

With every agency (even the IRS and Interior) of the central socialist government sporting a swat team we’re going to need something a mite heavier than our Red Ryders.


5 posted on 07/28/2013 1:23:41 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

And the gauleiter of Chicago is a Jew. (Not practicing, I’m sure.)


6 posted on 07/28/2013 1:24:39 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: magua
"The unintentional consequences of this action will be very interesting."

Starting with a lot of heretofore unreported boating accidents on Lake Michigan ;-)

7 posted on 07/28/2013 1:25:32 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Kip Russell

I’d like to know how 3000 people had their FOID cards revoked? Was there any due process or simply bureaucratic decision?


8 posted on 07/28/2013 1:26:33 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Kip Russell

Where does a local government get its authority to violate the Second Amendment? This is unconstitutional. Gun rights are guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Local yokel maggots have no authority to take them away. These public servants should be doing the perp walk right now. Americans should not put up with this Nazi BS. Their rights are illegally being taken away from them.


9 posted on 07/28/2013 1:28:49 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Let's make it our turn in 2014. Vote early and VOTE OFTEN.)
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To: Kip Russell

They call it something else, and go right ahead doing what they deny doing.
It’s the American way.


10 posted on 07/28/2013 1:29:02 PM PDT by I want the USA back (We live in a fascist dictatorship, thanks to half the public having its head up its a$$.)
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To: IbJensen

Last night on Huckabee a man said even the Department of Education has a swat team. He also said the DHS DID purchase 1 billion rounds of hollow point rounds.

He has a book about the country becoming a police state. He said years ago the army started giving police departments surplus gear. When they started dressing like soldiers they started actin like soldiers.


11 posted on 07/28/2013 1:29:24 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: Kip Russell
Cook County police officers have become increasingly worried that when someone’s FOID card is revoked, their guns aren’t instantly confiscated.

What is their real fear? Do defunt FOID card holders magically become violent offenders?

12 posted on 07/28/2013 1:34:10 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Kip Russell

Taking guns from law abiding citizens is a lot easier if the fuzz has a list!!


13 posted on 07/28/2013 1:44:42 PM PDT by RAY (God Bless the USA!)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends


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14 posted on 07/28/2013 1:45:05 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: I want the USA back

They don’t need to revoke the permit-to-own, they just need to raise the renewal fee to where people can’t afford it. Then confiscate the guns. Fees are just taxes with another name and taxes are all Constitutional, per Justice Roberts...


15 posted on 07/28/2013 1:45:16 PM PDT by Glenmore
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To: VerySadAmerican

After last night’s broadcast I’m going to give Gov. Huckabee top marks. No one else is talking about this insidious evil scheme to read the central socialist government for war against the American people.

This government is our enemy and that includes Congress and the Supreme Court!


16 posted on 07/28/2013 1:50:03 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Kip Russell

None of this ends, changes or gets better until
those who knock on the door start suffering
casualties and more importantly those who send
out the confiscators suffer casualties. Right now
we are in a war....the war against freedom. If the
people don’t step up and start fighting it like the true
war it is freedom is lost. Freedom is bought and paid
for with blood...and it must be maintained by the spilling
of blood. If the blood of the enemies of American freedom
is not spilled freedom ceases.


17 posted on 07/28/2013 1:50:48 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: nvscanman

Amen. Excellent post.


18 posted on 07/28/2013 1:55:56 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Kip Russell

Chicago will be the new Detroit....


19 posted on 07/28/2013 2:03:35 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
It’s unlawful for them to “regulate” a constitutional right out of existence.

Only if their subjects,,,,,,er targets don't allow them to do it.

20 posted on 07/28/2013 2:04:57 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: nvscanman
Amen.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

21 posted on 07/28/2013 2:06:37 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Kip Russell

Ah, just like Mexico ... only the authorities and criminals are allowed to have guns (and it’s hard to distinguish between the two), all the rest are potential victims.


22 posted on 07/28/2013 2:07:55 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: elkfersupper

it’s also theft. they paid for those items legally and it is their property.

if you let your license expire they don’t repo your vehicle. (crap i don’t want to give the knobs any new ideas)...


23 posted on 07/28/2013 2:10:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: IbJensen
This government is our enemy and that includes Congress and the Supreme Court!

Congress and the Supreme Court have degenerated into rubber stamps for the Executive branch to do with as it pleases.

The feral government has declared its independence of us, the people.

24 posted on 07/28/2013 2:11:12 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Secret Agent Man

if you miss church they don’t come and take your bible.

if you get fired from the paper or stop blogging, they don’t come and demand your computer.


25 posted on 07/28/2013 2:11:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: centurion316
I’d like to know how 3000 people had their FOID cards revoked? Was there any due process or simply bureaucratic decision?

It sounds like the people forgot to reapply for their card when the 10-year term expired. The government just ran a database query showing who had an expired card ... then showed up to collect the firearms.
26 posted on 07/28/2013 2:11:44 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: VerySadAmerican
He said years ago the army started giving police departments surplus gear. When they started dressing like soldiers they started actin like soldiers.

The psychology of this is well known, and therefore inexcusable for them to perpetuate.

One of the most famous psychology experiments ever, included in most first semester textbooks, is the Stanford Prison Experiment, where volunteers were separated randomly into groups of prisoners or wardens, and allowed to act out a prison scenario. The experiment had to be halted early due to the extreme behavior the experiment caused.

The DHS is a Stanford experiment gone mad. Clothes make the man, and they are dressed like an army. Armies need enemies to fight. They can't name Islam as the enemy due to political correctness. They can't label foreigners as they enemy either, so there is only one group of people left, the American people. We are a threat to the government, we are the terrorists. They are not fighting terrorism, but they will cause it. People eventually will rebel against it, and that will "prove" the DHS was right to consider the Americans as the real enemy.

27 posted on 07/28/2013 2:12:35 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Kip Russell

These cowards would not dare take the gangbangers guns nor will they ever. their aim is to make you and your family defenceless and targets


28 posted on 07/28/2013 2:23:38 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: Vince Ferrer

We studied the Stanford experiment in Psychology class. It was a real eye opener for me. People would be amazed at what others will do just because they get a taste of power over others. Hence, what is going on in our government.


29 posted on 07/28/2013 2:23:46 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: tanknetter

So, were they properly notified that their card had expired? Sounds like they are busy making criminals out of innocent people.


30 posted on 07/28/2013 2:28:28 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Where does a local government get its authority to violate the Second Amendment?

I wish there was some way of making courts recognize that:

  1. Governmental actions can only be legitimate if undertaken in a good-faith effort to actually uphold the Constitution; an effort to avoid violating the Constitution so badly as to merit censure is not sufficient.
  2. Because it would be impossible for a statute to explicitly list all of the situations where enforcement would be unconstitutional, and there are many situations where the legitimate enforceability of a statute would depend upon certain facts. Consequently, the legitimate enforceability of the statute in a particular case will often depend upon whether those endeavoring to enforce it were acting in good faith.
  3. Questions involving the extent to which people are acting in good faith are a proper subject for jury inquiry.
Suppose that a town wanted to pass an ordinance requiring that anyone possessing within the town ammunition which bore certain headstamps but which did not meet certain specifications associated with such headstamps, must package the ammunition in such a fashion that, if accidentally left somewhere and not reclaimed, it could not be mistaken for standards-compliant ammunition. Suppose the claimed purpose of the ordinance was to avoid the contamination of peoples' ammunition supplies by cartridges that looked like standard ammunition but weren't.

If nearly all ammunition which is in ordinary commerce (as opposed to hand-loaded specialty rounds) would meet the appropriate specifications, and if the packaging requirements for non-standard ammo were designed to be easy to comply with, I would posit that such an ordinance should pass constitutional muster. If, however, it required that "standard" ammunition have tighter tolerances than used in normal industry practice, and required all "nonstandard" ammunition be packaged in $500 boxes, it should not pass muster. The question of whether the standard is constitutional would be dependent on a variety of factual determinations, and as such should be a subject for jury inquiry (along with the question of whether someone accused of violating the ordinance made a good-faith effort to comply with the stated intention of the ordinance. If the actions of a person charged with violating an ordinance show "better faith" than those charged with authoring or enforcing it, that should be a basis for acquittal.

31 posted on 07/28/2013 2:53:54 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: elkfersupper; All

This essay was written 12 years ago. It spells it out:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/gun-registration-is-gun-confiscation.html


32 posted on 07/28/2013 3:02:49 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: VerySadAmerican
When they started dressing like soldiers they started actin like soldiers.

Yes, but without any pretense of a chivalrous warrior code.

33 posted on 07/28/2013 3:07:54 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Kip Russell

I can’t imagine living in a crap hole like Illinois.


34 posted on 07/28/2013 3:10:09 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: tanknetter
It sounds like the people forgot to reapply for their card when the 10-year term expired. The government just ran a database query showing who had an expired card ... then showed up to collect the firearms.

The last time I looked at the statutes, transporting a firearm which was not disassembled on a public right of way required that one posses a current an unexpired FOID card. Likewise the purchase of firearms or ammunition. On the other hand, the statute which requires a FOID for possession of a firearm which is disassembled or is on one's own property requires that one have a FOID card which had been previously issued by the Illinois State Police. The latter statute did not include the adjectives "current and unexpired" which were used in the earlier-mentioned statutes; because there would be a clear and logical reason for the difference, I see no basis to consider the omission of the adjectives in the latter case accidental.

If one reads the parts of the statute which say "current and unexpired" as meaning that, and those that say "previously issued by the Illinois State Police" as meaning that, then a person whose FOID card expired would still be allowed to possess firearms in their dwelling, or to transport them if they were disassembled, but would have to renew the card in order to buy firearms or ammunition or to transport firearms in an assembled condition. Such a reading would be consistent with a presumption that the purpose of valid laws is not to create criminals but to facilitate compliance (arguably, all laws should be required to at least claim to have that as a purpose, so I see no basis for claiming that a law should be interpreted in such fashion as to contradict it). I'm unaware of any cases where defendants accused of home possession with an expired FOID have asserted the statutory reading described above, but since the plain text of the statute is (or was last I checked) as I describe, I see no legitimate basis for a court to assert that it means something other than what it says. That doesn't mean courts won't ignore the actual wording of statutes, of course, but what the statutes actually say is nowhere near as outrageous as how they've been enforced.

35 posted on 07/28/2013 3:11:46 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: Kip Russell
crisscrossing the suburbs to seize guns

The suburbs, yea that's where all the trouble is. Who knows what outrage the Tea Partiers are going to pull next.

36 posted on 07/28/2013 3:52:49 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Secret Agent Man

I would leave my guns loaded and laying on the sidewalks of the worst neighborhoods in Chicago before I would hand them over to the government.


37 posted on 07/28/2013 3:58:00 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Kip Russell

This will lead to every police officer or vehicle being attacked randomly, and constantly.

If the police make of themselves the enemy of the public, they will lose the war, because they are outnumbered tremendously. I cannot believe that any intelligent police officer would allow themselves to be a part of this insanity.


38 posted on 07/28/2013 4:24:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: IbJensen

These jack boots and their fascist masters know nothing about guerrilla warfare and real urban resistance. It’s a ball buster for the military to deal with, these tough ass Ranger wannabees are in for more than they bargained for.

SHTF and they try to make the fascist state official, then a genuine, organized resistance will evolve fairly quickly. Their image of the American citizen as helpless victim will undergo a radical revision. It will be bloody, but it won’t be a one sided cakewalk as they expect it to be.

Bullies are usually surprised when their intended victim kicks them in the cajones rather than submitting. It does happen.


39 posted on 07/28/2013 4:57:50 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: editor-surveyor
I cannot believe that any intelligent police officer would allow themselves to be a part of this insanity.

Perhaps there are a bunch of unintelligent police officers out there???? Who knows for sure.

40 posted on 07/28/2013 4:59:55 PM PDT by Mark17 (Yesterday I couldn't spell it. Today I are one, a creepy a$$ cracker)
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To: BigCinBigD
I can’t imagine living in a crap hole like Illinois.

Ya Rhambo is prolly feeling the same way after getting his bonds beetoch slapped 3 notches the same day Detroit declared Bankruptcy. And the State House must be proud of losing Catepillar, and other hits and I am sure more hits will be coming...

41 posted on 07/28/2013 5:04:53 PM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks.....th)
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To: BigCinBigD

You’re right. Lifelong inhabitant. It is a crap hole.
It’s evolving into a nightmare I couldn’t have dreamed of
when I was a young adult in the mid 70’s.

Crook county runs the whole state unfortunately.
Land of Lincoln still on the license plates!
I have been looking with the wife (yes, we’re hetero,
Catholic conservatives, whose families have always
voted Republican!) to settle south now that we’re getting close to
retirement. It’s been a battle that seems hopeless.
Most of the Republicans in Illinois are spineless get alongs
who are democrat lite.
Our niece lives in Texas and believe me, a number of the
rust belt refugees heading your way are not all liberal
parasites who destroyed their present host and are moving on.
We would work vigilantly having witnessed this lunacy to keep
it from spreading.


42 posted on 07/28/2013 5:11:50 PM PDT by stanley windrush
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To: RAY

“Taking guns from law abiding citizens is a lot easier if the fuzz has a list!!”

Taking guns from law abiding citizens is a lot easier than fighting crime by going after violent criminals.


43 posted on 07/28/2013 6:15:09 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: stanley windrush

I’m in Texas and we keep thinking about moving to a small town in another southern state. There are two things wrong with Texas. The heat and property taxes. We’ll probably have to get past that and find a small town in Texas.


44 posted on 07/28/2013 6:16:26 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: stanley windrush

You would be most welcome in Texas. We have a way of dealing with parasites. We make them live in Austin.


45 posted on 07/28/2013 9:29:32 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: editor-surveyor
This will lead to every police officer or vehicle being attacked randomly, and constantly.

If you're right, then in the next few months we will see reports of thousands of Illinois policeman being constantly attacked.

If you're wrong, we won't.

I suspect you're wrong. Time will tell.

46 posted on 07/28/2013 9:36:18 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: editor-surveyor
This will lead to every police officer or vehicle being attacked randomly, and constantly.

Every? Probably won't happen to a single one (for this reason). The people are pacified and neutered.

47 posted on 07/28/2013 9:44:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Standing Wolf

If el president and el jefe Obama orders the military to intervene it will be the lower ranks that will turn on the political generals and join the overthrow of this historically evil regime.


48 posted on 07/29/2013 2:33:31 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: tanknetter

http://www.suntimes.com/21526485-761/cook-county-sheriffs-team-taking-guns-if-foid-card-is-revoked.html

According to this article, at least one of the FOID’s was revoked because the holder was “suicidal”. In another case, the holder was “involved” in a drug case. So far no mention of someone who forgot to renew. I’m guessing that most of these revocations were administrative based on a police or medical report - no judical process involved. In other words, the system is working exactly as the gun grabbers intended.


49 posted on 07/29/2013 11:39:45 AM PDT by centurion316
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