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Is Sugar Really Toxic? Sifting through the Evidence
Scientific American ^ | July 15, 2013 | Ferris Jabr

Posted on 07/29/2013 8:56:46 AM PDT by SgtHooper

The argument that sugar is a toxin depends on some technical details about the different ways the human body gets energy from different types of sugar. Today, Americans eat most of their sugar in two main forms: table sugar and high-fructose corn syrup. A molecule of table sugar, or sucrose, is a bond between one glucose molecule and one fructose molecule—two simple sugars with the same chemical formula, but slightly different atomic structures.


TOPICS: Food; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: fructose; sugar
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A really interesting paper on sugar and fructose. The commentary is perhaps even better than the paper.
1 posted on 07/29/2013 8:56:46 AM PDT by SgtHooper
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To: SgtHooper

I think it lies partly to blame with the corn subsidy and lobby with the extreme overuse of HFC and America gets fatter and fatter because of it. Myself included, I need to lose 15-20 pounds. I’m going to try and limit my diet to less than 25 grams of sugar per day and see how fast or slow those pounds fall off.


2 posted on 07/29/2013 9:05:59 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: SgtHooper

So, for over half my adult life, the scientific consensus about salt was that it is bad in any form. Low salt, no salt, salt is poison and so forth.

A couple of weeks ago, the CDC comes out and says “oops!” salt ISN’T bad and “don’t worry bout it!”

Red meat, white meat, eggs, milk, even fricking water, burnt meat, raw meat, lean/fat meat are/were/now not bad for you.

If you live long enough, you’ll see these so-called scientists end up retracting and amending prior invocations. The worst offenders are the CDC.

It is all political or it is self-serving designed to garner funding for their impartial “studies”....


3 posted on 07/29/2013 9:06:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SgtHooper

People just eat too much of it in the wrong form. Sugar in an apple is sugar but not the problem a sweet drink is. But saying that won’t sell books and get a person on the talk shows.


4 posted on 07/29/2013 9:08:39 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: SgtHooper; All

Thanks for referencing that article SgtHooper. I think I had seen it earlier.

I wish that reporters would make a distinction between natural sugars and processed sugar, processed sugar like high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) being the real concern. I now read the labels on confections and avoid anything that list HFCS, Oreo Cookies being one of them. :^(

I’ve noticed that just about everything that has frosting on it probably has HFCS.


5 posted on 07/29/2013 9:10:11 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: SgtHooper

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Sugar is toxic,
And so are you.


6 posted on 07/29/2013 9:10:51 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Gaffer

You speak the truth,and I agree with you . Isn’t it fascinating-not to mention contradictory- that ‘natural’ is always better EXCEPT when it comes to sugar? Then, chemical sweeteners produced in labs are better! Sugar is natural and 1000 times better for you than what a lab cooks up. After all, how can lawyers make money suing for using sugar?Artifical sweeteners and chemicals will be the next source of ‘call me’ commercials by attorneys.
If ‘natural’ is always good, how can sugar be bad?


7 posted on 07/29/2013 9:14:34 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: Gaffer
The new trend is the caveman diet.
8 posted on 07/29/2013 9:14:52 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SgtHooper

Sugar can indeed be toxic; just like water is toxic when you take in too much of it. Oxygen is also toxic if the percentage of oxygen in the mix is too high.


9 posted on 07/29/2013 9:16:22 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Qwackertoo

I’vbe been dieting. I use lthe Lose It app to track my calorie intake. I’ve cut down on sugars, fats, and processed grains. I’ve added lots more veggies and fruits.

So far, I’ve lost 10 pounds. I’d like to lose another 10. I haven’t been exercising much, so I’m going to bump it up.

I was going almost every day to Starbuks and getting a latte, and then lots of times I’d get a patry. Just cutting that out is cutting my calorie intake and savng my payroll. It was a very bad habit!

The main time I use sugar is for some homemade salad dressings. I’ve switched to using honey in some of them.


10 posted on 07/29/2013 9:17:32 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: ClearBlueSky

I’ve switched to Stevia. From Splenda and variants like Nutra Sweet. Only need half a packet for my coffee.


11 posted on 07/29/2013 9:19:47 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: Amendment10

You’ll find that corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup have become building blocks for many of our foods: bread, peanut butter, mayo, tomatoe sauce...these are foods that aren’t normally thought of as being ‘sweet’. Corn syrup has become a major part of our diets (unless a very deliberate attempt to reduce it is made). It is both a filler and a sweetener.

I always think about cattle in a feed lot. They are fed corn to get fattened up...every time I drink a soda, I feel like I’m fattening myself up.


12 posted on 07/29/2013 9:20:25 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: luckystarmom

I’ll have to check out the app, right now I have an excel spreadsheet I enter them on and keep track of Protein, Carb, Fiber, Sugar grams and total calories per meal and total per day and ounces of water drank.

I’m cutting out the wine and specialty craft beers in the evenings too. I’ll miss my red wine.

And I’ve bought local honey at my little “hometown” grocery store too. Bought some of the Blue Guava (sp?) double bottle at Costco once, thought it’d be better, threw them both in the garbage. Yuck.


13 posted on 07/29/2013 9:22:22 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I went to a modified Caveman diet about 5 years ago....eating any kind of flour or grain MAKES me HUNGRY.


14 posted on 07/29/2013 9:23:30 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Remember Alar (daminozide)and the Apple crop? Remember the 60 Minutes Hit Job? EPA or FDA classified it a “possible” carcinogen and then as “probable” carcinogen.

All this backed by studies that showed rats could get cancer if they drank the equivalent of 5000 litres per day of apple juice... All because ‘naturalists’ had it in for the producers of Alar. Same thing with sugar substitutes, salt substitutes and any other substitute that meant competition for some group who had vested interests in the ‘natural product’....

So now we’ve flipped the coin.


15 posted on 07/29/2013 9:23:41 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SgtHooper

Because cancer cells live on glucose and have 15 times the glucose receptors as healthy cells, researchers are experimenting with the idea of severely limiting sugar intake of patients, then preceding their chemo treatments with insulin. The thinking is that the greedy, glucose-starved cancer cells will take in the insulin and the chemo drugs will be readily absorbed as well. If that proves effective, it would provide motivation for millions to drastically cut sugar intake.


16 posted on 07/29/2013 9:24:49 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SgtHooper

I follow a general rule of thumb when buying food and cooking.

“Ingredients shouldn’t have ingredients.”

Following this will spend most of your budget on fresh produce, meats and eggs. Save for a few items such as Olive Oil, spices and tea, there is really nothing in the un-refrigerated center aisles of stores humans should be eating.


17 posted on 07/29/2013 9:32:51 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: goodnesswins

So what would a typical meal consist of on this plan?


18 posted on 07/29/2013 9:39:10 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: lacrew; All
You’ll find that corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup have become building blocks for many of our foods:

Good point. I'll have to start reading all food labels.

19 posted on 07/29/2013 9:41:30 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Gaffer
A couple of weeks ago, the CDC comes out and says “oops!” salt ISN’T bad and “don’t worry bout it!”

Actually, I think this "salt" go-around is the second one that I have experienced (I will be 59 at the end of the month of August). When hubby and I first married he was on a low-salt regimen because of his blood pressure and the doctor said he should cut salt. So, at that time, there were no "salt free" or "low salt" alternatives, so I was making my own broth and using Pritikin as a guideline. I gained weight and his blood pressure never got better via diet. Eventually, people who were doing scientific studies got the results and, guess what, salt not a cause of high blood pressure.

Couple of years go by, and the "salt is evil" people are back and pushing the no salt/low salt thing. People do studies, AGAIN, and, as you say, oops, salt isn't bad for you. In fact, low salt intake could be a problem. Now, if you think about it, why would our bodies not like salt since the water in our bodies is salty? Aren't our tears salty? Doesn't that mean we have salt, naturally, in our bodies?

Anyway, my point is that if you live long enough you see this kind of stuff being pushed over and over again. It has nothing to do with health, and everything to do with controlling our behavior. I have simply stopped listening.

20 posted on 07/29/2013 9:43:35 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

I’ve stopped listening also.


21 posted on 07/29/2013 9:45:33 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SgtHooper

the old adage of “all things in moderation accepted” applies to sugar, salt, “red meat”, starches, fats, etc.; etc.; our problems with weight are not do directly to any of those things; our problems with weight (we they do not have real genertic or phsyiological systemic causes) come from our having become gluttons for many foods and how easy the processed food industry has made it for us to to that.

Like the rich man who has a harder time getting into heaven, not because of his wealth or how he got it but because it has provided temptations, temptations not open to the poor or avarge person, though the power of that wealth, to make choices that can be morally problematic.

We have become “wealthy” in what food, what kinds of food and how much food is available to us - wealthy beyond the imagination of people hundreds and thousands of years ago, and we have allowed some degree of that wealth, and our relative ease in obtaining it, to become gluttons, without even realizing it.

Control caloric intake and eat all things, including salt, sugar, fats etc in moderation, not gluttonous excess, and there are few real health concerns from either salt or sugar or fat.


22 posted on 07/29/2013 9:53:45 AM PDT by Wuli (uir)
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To: IamConservative

Real food is what it used to be called. It’s almost impossible to get fat if you stay away from processed foods.


23 posted on 07/29/2013 10:01:38 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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To: Gaffer

So, for over half my adult life, the scientific consensus about salt was that it is bad in any form. Low salt, no salt, salt is poison and so forth.

If salt were that bad for you, all the people from asia would have died out long ago, I swear it seems they drink more soy sauce than water....


24 posted on 07/29/2013 10:02:58 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: goodnesswins
“...eating any kind of flour or grain MAKES me HUNGRY”

Same for me! I roll my eyes whenever I read an article — often in women's magazines — that asserts you “must” eat breakfast or you “won't” lose weight because your “metabolism will be sluggish” and you'll “eat more at lunch” because skipping breakfast makes you hungrier at lunchtime.

While I know breakfast CAN be low-carb, breakfast for most people, including moi, means cereal or a bagel. Carbs! Well, I am ALWAYS hungrier at around 11am when I have breakfast than when I don't because carbs make me hungry. (I also like carbs so much that I always finish them and wish I could have more.)

Last week, I started fasting from after dinner (about 7pm) until noon the next day. Guess what? I am less hungry for lunch than when I ate breakfast, and I appreciate having more calories to spend for lunch and dinner.

I also now break another rule: I weigh in every morning. Knowing I have to face the scale has helped keep me on track. By not eating anything before 12noon and by weighing in every morning, I have jump started my weight loss efforts. I have lost a couple of pounds and — more importantly — I am feeling optimistic about losing weight for the first time in years.

I feel that by listening to my gut and ignoring the experts, I have rediscovered what used to work for me when I needed to lose weight. I am hopeful I'll lose twenty pounds by Christmas.

25 posted on 07/29/2013 10:03:29 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Gaffer

AMEN!

Preach it, Brother!


26 posted on 07/29/2013 10:13:37 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Girlene
Regardless of where they come from, excess calories are the greatest problem with all modern diets. I am not an advocate of any particular diet, and never have been obese. That said, I played around with the Lean Gains and lost about 15 lbs. It’s an intermittent fasting regimen that also parallels a paleo-diet.

While I never became a zealot—I believe in moderation in all things—I have pretty much adopted the principles of high-protein, low carb and low fats. There are a couple of cool site to play with:

The IF Calculator
This is a cool site that allows you to figure out your caloric needs. It is fully customizable, so don’t worry about the “fasting” aspect. It is designed to show what your body needs and devise a diet set to the caloric intake that you want—from losing to gaining weight. The other site is:

Eat This Much
This is another great site that plans meals base on caloric intake. The first page is the starting point and builds a quick meal plan, but if you click on the advanced link, you can set a variety of variables such as food types and macro-nutrients. It is a good way to play with meal planning.

27 posted on 07/29/2013 10:15:47 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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To: Gaffer
It is all political or it is self-serving designed to garner funding for their impartial “studies" ...yes.

There's no money in telling people "Moderation in all things is the best course."

28 posted on 07/29/2013 10:39:10 AM PDT by wbill
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To: IamConservative

“Ingredients shouldn’t have ingredients.”

I like that! Thanks.


29 posted on 07/29/2013 10:42:03 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: lacrew
"I always think about cattle in a feed lot. They are fed corn to get fattened up...'"

Your analogy is not far off.but for different reasons than you think.

Sugar is is sugar in what ever form. Cattlemen put their livestock in a pen not only to control what they eat but to restrict their animals, described in the old days, "from burning off their tallow" i.e, fat.

People today are stuck in their "feed lots" by their sedate lifestyle and job requirements.

In the days when labor required physical effort a high calorie diet was quickly consumed by the bodies' demands for mantainence and repair.

Simply put we are eating like a field hand but working like a pampered prince.
30 posted on 07/29/2013 10:57:41 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: antidisestablishment
It’s almost impossible to get fat if you stay away from processed foods.

I had some great grand parents who are examples that say otherwise but I get your point.>

Read any processed food label and your will find "flavor enhancers"that intensifies the taste of food. Of course chief villians among them are sugar, salt, vinegar etc as well as the artifical types but all are to "trick" your senses to eat more.

I, myself have a weakness for Tabasco sauce which have all of the above and I put it on everything.
31 posted on 07/29/2013 11:09:23 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Wuli
We have become “wealthy” in what food...wealthy beyond the imagination of people hundreds and thousands of years ago......become gluttons, without even realizing it.

Totally agree. I would add:

"We are eating like a field hand but working like a pampered prince."
32 posted on 07/29/2013 11:15:33 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: lacrew

Part of what is wrong with America. Get rye or pumpernickle bread from a real bakery. Don’t use peanut butter or ketchup - that’s children’s food. As for drinking soda, all I can say is bless my strict parents for never having it in the house - I never developed a taste for it.


33 posted on 07/29/2013 11:18:02 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: antidisestablishment

My grandparents never ate out. They had a nuge garden for most of their vegetables. My grandpa hunted for dear (and later the grandsons left them meat from the dear they shot) . They didn’t drive much. My grandpa walked to play domnoes every day. My grandma made the best homemade desserts that they had every day. They never had cancer. They had mild heart problems. They were never over weight and they both lived until they were in their 90’s.

I think there are a lot of lessons from the way they lived.


34 posted on 07/29/2013 11:21:43 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Qwackertoo
Give up everything with HFCS in it. It's easier than it was just a few years ago, as more people demand that it not be in foods. For sweetening, get individual packets of 1 tsp granulated cane sugar portions. That way, it's easy to control your sugar intake.

I started doing this a few years ago. It took awhile, but my body has improved, my taste buds don't require the fake sweetness I used to crave, and the weight came off. But it does take a few years for the body to heal.

Another thing....no heavy sauces or gravy on foods. An all-natural tomato sauce is fine. Natural juice from beef with the fat removed is fine. Except for that, rely on seasoning instead of sauces or dressings. It cuts out most of the sources of unnecessary calories.

35 posted on 07/29/2013 11:28:14 AM PDT by grania
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To: RedMonqey

Tabasco is a mild vice. It has no caloric value, negligible salt content, and vinegar and capsicum are both good for you.

I am a hot pepper/hot sauce aficionado. I have a terribly high heat tolerance and love really spicy foods. As long as the sauces are not filled with preservatives (totally unnecessary, given the vinegar) and sugars, I find little not to like.


36 posted on 07/29/2013 11:56:21 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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To: luckystarmom

I agree. Though it is hard to eat in this manner today, I believe that it is much more preferable in all regards. My grandparents lived on a farm and ate their own produce their whole lives.

While they both had had heart issues, I believe that was more due to the high fat diet than anything else. They were Okies, and loved their fried foods. I love the taste of fried food, but have pretty much tried to cut them out, especially since most are now fried in fake, non-nutritive poisons.


37 posted on 07/29/2013 12:03:16 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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To: kabumpo

Its not too hard to find bread without corn syrup, by checking the labels. I have found that the store brand peanut butter often has no corn syrup, and now some major labels have ‘corn syrup free’ varieties. I disagree with the characterization that its children’s food - its cheap, cheap, protein.

My parents never let me have soda either. but somewhere along the way I developed a taste for it....in moderation. But I wouldn’t mind if I were to never drink a soda again.

Now, if you want some examples of more ‘adult’ foods that have corn syrup - there’s salad dressing, worcestershire sauce, some pickles, barbeque sauce, shrimp sauce, flavored yogurt, and even soup.

I see the endless trains of black tanker cars, with bright yellow ears of corn on the side, traveling back and forth on the rails every day. Corn syrup is big business. Unless you do most of your cooking from scratch, you probably consume some every day.


38 posted on 07/29/2013 12:13:30 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Gaffer

The best thing to do is to refrain from food, water and air


39 posted on 07/29/2013 12:21:34 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie

10-4. I submit Democrats go first!


40 posted on 07/29/2013 12:26:01 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SgtHooper

When I read ——— “Scientists now say ———”, I just groan.

One of the latest is about coffee and caffeine. Changed minds again. Sigh.

But — coffee is now good for you! (I never gave it up.)


41 posted on 07/29/2013 12:31:56 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: IamConservative

Have you noticed the amount of shelf space given in stores today to what used to be called staples?

Can hardly find flour, corn meal, sugar, beans, rice, etc.

Meanwhile they have frozen PBJs.


42 posted on 07/29/2013 12:46:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: antidisestablishment; RedMonqey

Hot sauces are also (generally) used in very small quantity.


43 posted on 07/29/2013 12:48:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: lacrew

Of course I do my cooking “from scratch”. Just as I take a bath or shower “naked”, and drive a car “sitting upright”.
Flavored yogurt? Shrimp sauce? The failure of the United States is in its failure to develop a cuisine. Nobody knows how to cook or eat without realiance on packaged crap. Even the Mexicans eat better than we do.


44 posted on 07/29/2013 12:57:30 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: luckystarmom

The one thing I can’t give up is my hot tea with milk and sugar. It’s a stress thing. I just compensate for the calories on other foods.


45 posted on 07/29/2013 1:21:05 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Modern "Peace Officer" motto-"We have to go home at night, we don't care if you do.")
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To: Sherman Logan
Hot sauces are also (generally) used in very small quantity.

HaHaha, You haven't seen me with a barbecue sandwich. I could literally drink the stuff.

I even been known to put it on potato chips

I've got the "Hot sauce, monkey on my back' addiction real bad.

I'm "joneszing" for it right now(mmmmmmmmm)
46 posted on 07/29/2013 1:43:32 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: antidisestablishment
.Tabasco is a mild vice. It has no caloric value, negligible salt content, and vinegar and capsicum are both good for you.

Maybe...don't know about the salt level(used to use the salt shaker with a heavy hand)but it's real hidden evil is the food(esp the amounts) you put it on.

At least it does with me. YMMV
47 posted on 07/29/2013 1:47:55 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: lacrew

“...every time I drink a soda, I feel like I’m fattening myself up.”

Every time you drink a soda...and it does not matter whether it is sweetened with sugar, HFCS, or any of the artificial sweeteners...all will cause weight gain. And the artificial sweeteners are pure poison...the will mess with your mind. Stevia is the only no-calorie sweetener that is safe, and it is the only sweetener that will not have a tendency to make you gain weight.


48 posted on 07/29/2013 2:07:37 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: kabumpo

We had a perfectly good cuisine. Look at cookbooks prior to about 1970.

What we did was quit teaching home-ec. And the moms that would have passed on that knowledge were too tired when they got home from work to cook. So the kids never learned how. Dinner was a TV dinner or pizza.

Now 20yr old girls can’t, largely, even boil water.


49 posted on 07/29/2013 2:11:48 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: RedMonqey

I can’t keep hot sauce in the cupboard. I used to buy Tabasco in the largest size and that was good for a while.

Then, I started using really hot sauces to make sure the kids wouldn’t eat it all. Now, they are just a couple steps behind. I don’t know what to graduate to now that I hit the Ghost pepper level. ;)


50 posted on 07/29/2013 2:23:25 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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