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Mystery deepens in coffin-within-a-coffin found at Richard III site
Phys.Org ^ | 07-30-2013 | Provided by University of Leicester

Posted on 07/30/2013 7:56:16 AM PDT by Red Badger

Archaeologists have unearthed a mysterious coffin-within-a-coffin near the final resting place of Richard III.

The University of Leicester team lifted the lid of a medieval stone coffin this week – the final week of their second dig at the Grey Friars site, where the medieval king was discovered in September.

This is the first fully intact stone coffin to be discovered in Leicester in controlled excavations – and is believed to contain one of the friary's founders or a medieval monk.

Within the stone coffin, they found an inner lead coffin – and will need to carry out further analysis before they can open the second box.

Archaeologists have taken the inner lead coffin to the University's School of Archaeology and Ancient History, and will carry out tests to find the safest way of opening it without damaging the remains within.

It took eight people to carefully remove the stone lid from the outer coffin – which is 2.12 metres long, 0.6 metres wide at the "head" end, 0.3 metres wide at the "foot" end and 0.3 metres deep.

The inner coffin is likely to contain a high-status burial – though we don't currently know who it contains.

Tantalisingly, the individual's feet can be seen through a hole in the bottom of the casket.

The archaeologists suspect the grave could belong to one of three prestigious figures known to buried at the friary.

These include two leaders of the English Grey Friars order - Peter Swynsfeld, who died in 1272, and William of Nottingham, who died in 1330.

Records also suggest the friary contains the grave of 'a knight called Mutton, sometime mayor of Leicester'.

Grey Friars site director Mathew Morris, of the University of Leicester Archaeological Services (ULAS), said: "The stone coffin was always the big thing we wanted to investigate during this dig. For me, it was as exciting as finding Richard III. We still don't know who is inside – so there is still a question mark over it.

"None of us in the team have ever seen a lead coffin within a stone coffin before. We will now need to work out how to open it safely, as we don't want to damage the contents when we are opening the lid.

"The coffin could contain William de Moton, Peter Swynsfeld or William of Nottingham – who are all important people. Swynsfeld and Nottingham were heads of the Grey Friars order in England."

Leading UK construction and infrastructure company Morgan Sindall is currently on site constructing a King Richard III Visitor Centre to showcase some of the finds from the site. Morgan Sindall is working with the archaeological team to enable access to the site whilst building work continues.


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KEYWORDS: archaeology; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; graverobbers; greyfriars; keywordtrolls; peterswynsfeld; richardiii; williamofnottingham

This shows lifting the lid on the Stone Coffin. Credit: University of Leicester

This is the Stone Coffin at the Greyfriars dig site. Credit: University of Leicester

Lead???? Whoever it is, somebody didn't want them to ever get out.......

1 posted on 07/30/2013 7:56:16 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping!..............


2 posted on 07/30/2013 7:56:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger

Whatever happened to allowing the dead to rest in peace?


3 posted on 07/30/2013 7:59:15 AM PDT by pgkdan (Marco Rubio can go straight to hell!)
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To: Red Badger

My guess is Jimmy Hoffa.


4 posted on 07/30/2013 8:00:39 AM PDT by Rokurota
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To: Red Badger

Lead???? Whoever it is, somebody didn’t want them to ever get out.......

This does not bode well for us methinks.

Headline: Construction crew drops dead on mysterious
job site, more at 11.


5 posted on 07/30/2013 8:01:24 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Red Badger

Whoa...now there’s some history.


6 posted on 07/30/2013 8:01:40 AM PDT by moovova (Sell everything, folks. Be poised to run.)
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To: Red Badger

Imagine if, in a strange, macabre twist, the gentlemen were still alive at burial. He awakes, tries to scratch, kick, and chew is way out, then dies of lead poisoning.


7 posted on 07/30/2013 8:01:56 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: edpc
People were embalmed in medieval times. It's probably one of the friars - or as they say, an important local figure.

I'm assuming it is not the foundress of the Friary. I believe she was also found at the same time they found Richard.

8 posted on 07/30/2013 8:07:37 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Red Badger
Within the stone coffin, they found an inner lead coffin
Clearly, this is the final resting place of Spock, who was sent back in time after having been contaminated with ganymede radiation, during the third Star Trek reboot.
9 posted on 07/30/2013 8:09:59 AM PDT by jdege
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To: pgkdan

Resting in peace for these burials went away a long time ago. I believe the priory and church were destroyed as a part of Oliver Cromwell’s campaign in the 1600s and these burials were under a current parking lot. Better for history knowledge to map the site, investigate the burials, and then reinterr them in a more secure resting place.


10 posted on 07/30/2013 8:12:27 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: tet68
Lead???? Whoever it is, somebody didn’t want them to ever get out.......

This does not bode well for us methinks.

Headline: Construction crew drops dead on mysterious job site, more at 11.

The Black Death to make a resurgence?

11 posted on 07/30/2013 8:14:33 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Red Badger

Cor Blimey, they can’t X-ray it either.

And now, for something completely different.


12 posted on 07/30/2013 8:14:50 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker (Hard to paddle against the flow of sewage coming out of the White House.)
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To: Red Badger
Lead???? Whoever it is, somebody didn't want them to ever get out.......

Now, they have unleased the evil spirt of ??? upon the world.

Don't these people ever watch horror movies or the TV show Supernatural? You never open anything sealed. It was sealed for a reason.

I'm pouring salt along the doorways and windows immediately!
13 posted on 07/30/2013 8:15:04 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: TomGuy

I’m pouring salt along the doorways and windows immediately!

Salt? You’re supposed to use Salt?
OMG, I used sugar and now the giant ants are
tearing down my front door.....


14 posted on 07/30/2013 8:20:25 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: edpc

May I use the lead for making ammo, now that the original user won’t need it any longer?


15 posted on 07/30/2013 8:22:17 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Red Badger
Lead almost makes me think it was meant to go to sea??

Wonder if this is a child? A king who was never to be.

16 posted on 07/30/2013 8:46:04 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tet68

Do use too much salt....There’s deer in them thar woods.


17 posted on 07/30/2013 8:53:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Red Badger

So does this mean they’ll let the original occupant of the grave have his place back, maybe move Richard III to Westminster Abbey? I can’t imagine the current royal descendants of German descent have any reason to oppose the last Plantagenet king getting in there?


18 posted on 07/30/2013 8:58:53 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Sacajaweau

I know, between them and the squirrels I don’t
have a blueberry left.

My time is coming though.


19 posted on 07/30/2013 8:59:44 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Red Badger

.... Lead coffins in the days of olde were used to bury wealthy and important people of the day. Something called logic tells me it wasn’t just used to entrap the imaginatively created Hollywood glamorized versions of undead and evil creatures and beasties. At least not very often that is LOL.


20 posted on 07/30/2013 9:00:54 AM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Red Badger

This article sheds interesting light on the use of lead in Catholic burials:

http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/245/saints_preserve_us.html


21 posted on 07/30/2013 9:01:03 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

They are probably going to move all the ‘occupants’ elsewhere in time. It’s currently a parking lot............


22 posted on 07/30/2013 9:07:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: tet68

The damned squirrels ate all my garden corn.............


23 posted on 07/30/2013 9:11:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Sacajaweau

No, it’s an adult. But most likely a revered person of the times. The use of lead is a preservative measure..........


24 posted on 07/30/2013 9:12:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: TomGuy
I'm pouring salt along the doorways and windows immediately!

Now every porcupine within ten miles will be gnawing away at your house to get the salt.

You'll be amazed at how much they eat quickly.

25 posted on 07/30/2013 9:20:34 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Red Badger

What did they do, bury him in a Russian Nesting Coffin?


26 posted on 07/30/2013 9:24:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

Thanks Red Badger.

27 posted on 07/30/2013 3:44:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Red Badger

Records also suggest the friary contains the grave of ‘a knight called Mutton, sometime mayor of Leicester’.


There’s got to be a limerick here...


28 posted on 07/30/2013 3:47:24 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: TomGuy

I’m low on salt. Will Goofer Dust work?


29 posted on 07/30/2013 3:50:26 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Mogger

Don’t forget the badgers...


30 posted on 07/30/2013 3:51:43 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: RJS1950
If it didn't happen with Oliver Cromwell, it probably happen under Thomas Cromwell.

..but karma has a way of anwering the score.

The drunken execution took 4 chops trying to kill him, finally the Beefeater took the ax from the executioner and finished him off.

31 posted on 07/30/2013 4:10:22 PM PDT by mware
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To: Red Badger

John Paul Jones was buried in a lead casket.


32 posted on 07/30/2013 4:41:50 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Red Badger

Lead?

***
In Maryland, there is an historic city called St. Mary’s, which has had and continues to have quite a bit of excavation and study. The restored parts are open to the public.

Anyway, several years ago, there were coffins discovered that had lead linings. I can’t remember anymore what the archaeologists’ thoughts were as to the reason for the use of lead. I am thinking that it would be to delay the onslaught of the soil organisms, but I am just guessing.


33 posted on 07/30/2013 4:46:10 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Remember the Quarter-mass affair? Maybe when they open it they will have all those locust looking things rushing around...and then....?
34 posted on 07/30/2013 8:23:21 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS... We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dems care!)
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To: Red Badger
"Lead???? Whoever it is, somebody didn't want them to ever get out......." I know, right?

The people at the dig are even dressed like a contstruction crew...


35 posted on 07/30/2013 8:30:06 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (No more usurpers.)
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To: RJS1950

Read that Richard was given a hasty burial. Here is an article that supports some of that.

“Gasps as archaeologists reveal brutal death of Richard III”

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/gasps-as-archaeologists-reveal-brutal-death-of-richard-iii-20130205-2dv24.html#ixzz2aakzBKSD

I am no student of English History. I am not little taken by the ideas of Kings & Queens. See absolutely nothing Noble about Nobility. They were men, they died like all of us.


36 posted on 07/30/2013 8:56:39 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: TomGuy

And don’t forget to hang the garlic from the door & window lintels. Maybe use garlic salt?

OMG! I just realized: everybody always forgets to ward the FIREPLACE!


37 posted on 07/30/2013 10:54:21 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Richard is being buried in Leicester Cathedral. York is vying for him but that relocation is very doubtful. They say there is no room for this king in the Abbey although his wife is there.


38 posted on 07/31/2013 5:18:36 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Red Badger

Wouldn’t that mean that perhaps they thought this person was really evil.
Maybe they thought he was a vampire.


39 posted on 07/31/2013 5:35:54 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

That was a good movie. I love all Johnny Depp’s movies.

Heard that he is thinking of retiring soon........


40 posted on 07/31/2013 6:18:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Bigg Red

You are correct. Lead and lead oxides kill bacteria, fungus, mold mildew and algae, though they were unknown organisms at the time. Lead also would absorb all the oxygen in the coffin fairly quickly in the form of lead oxides......


41 posted on 07/31/2013 6:22:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Rebelbase

Wasn’t he buried at sea? That would be a good reason...........


42 posted on 07/31/2013 6:24:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Yorlik803

Vampires weren’t ‘invented’ until the 18th century......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire


43 posted on 07/31/2013 6:26:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger

Okay. Thanks.


44 posted on 07/31/2013 8:29:44 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: Red Badger

That we know of anyways.
Investing in garlic just in case


45 posted on 07/31/2013 9:12:09 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yorlik803

and silver bullets...........


46 posted on 07/31/2013 9:18:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger

No, he was buried in Paris.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones#Posthumous_return_to_the_United_States


47 posted on 07/31/2013 9:49:30 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Rebelbase

He’ll always have Paris............


48 posted on 07/31/2013 9:51:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger

Johnny Depp has always had a penchant for taking on eclectic roles. He may “retire” for awhile, but if a producer finds a role that’s weird enough, he may take on the job. After the Lone Ranger debacle however, he may go on extended haiatus...


49 posted on 07/31/2013 2:55:31 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (No more usurpers.)
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