Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Controversial JFK Documentary Theory: President Was Killed by Accidental Secret Service Shot
yahoo.com ^ | July 30, 2013 | Kimberly Potts |

Posted on 07/30/2013 10:20:03 PM PDT by grundle

ReelzChannel is getting back into the Kennedy family business, and once again likely to make some waves. In November, the network that aired the Emmy-winning 2011 miniseries "The Kennedys" will debut "JFK: The Smoking Gun," a new documentary offering the theory that John F. Kennedy was killed, not by Lee Harvey Oswald’s rifle, but by the friendly-fire bullet of an inexperienced Secret Service agent.

"The only possible gun that could have been in that area is that Secret Service gun. So the finding is that it was an accidental discharge. Nobody's claiming anybody did anything wrong. But at the time, in the middle of the Cold War ... remember, it wasn't a time that the U.S. government would have liked to admit a botched security detail in the most important mission they had."

According to Hubbard's explanation of the docudrama, the timeline of the events of Nov. 22, 1963, will go something like this:

After Lee Harvey Oswald fired an initial shot at the Kennedy motorcade in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, a Secret Service agent named George Hickey responded. Hickey, an inexperienced agent who had never been on follow-up car duty, grabbed his AR-15 Secret Service rifle and, while standing in the back of the car that was behind the Kennedy vehicle in the motorcade, fired a shot, he hoped, towards the enemy fire. But the car he was riding in suddenly lurched forward, and, the theory suggests, Hickey's hand faltered, sending his bullet towards the president’s head. Oswald had fired a second shot that also hit Kennedy, but it was not necessarily the shot that fatally wounded JFK, according to the theory.

(Excerpt) Read more at tv.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: barkingmoonbat; congress; conspiracy; conspiracytheory; corruption; dallas; deadkennedys; dealeyplaza; education; grassyknollsociety; jfk; jfkassassination; johnfkennedy; kennedy; kennedyassassination; mafia; mediabias; obama; oswald; teaparty; texas
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-138 next last

1 posted on 07/30/2013 10:20:03 PM PDT by grundle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: grundle

That may be the dumbest theory yet.


2 posted on 07/30/2013 10:23:26 PM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: grundle

Okay... so where did the 5.56 rounds disappear to? Do we have multiple “magic bullets” in this theory?


3 posted on 07/30/2013 10:25:09 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Defiant

Yep, totally stupid.


4 posted on 07/30/2013 10:25:34 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: grundle

President Hubbard states. “George Hickey had an accident take place when a gun discharged in his hands. Anybody who’s around firearms at all knows that guns do accidentally go off.”


Well, the media is always telling us that guns kill people, but who knew that an uppity gun decided to kill JFK! If they had told us that sooner, we might have passed “reasonable gun control” already! /s


5 posted on 07/30/2013 10:28:32 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Defiant

As someone that owns just about every book ever written about the Kennedy assassination, I agree.


6 posted on 07/30/2013 10:28:40 PM PDT by doc1019 (Get our troops the hell out of the ME)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: grundle

Can’t they even wait until November, the annual loonbat awakening of Kennedy assassination conspiracists before posting this baloney?

This theory isn’t the least bit new, nor is it ‘news’.


7 posted on 07/30/2013 10:30:05 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: grundle

What really happened was that an intergalactic jack rabbit from the planet tickywicky, launched it’s horrible front teeth camoflaged as a cotton tail at Gov. Connely and missed and hit Kennedy.


8 posted on 07/30/2013 10:30:38 PM PDT by ping jockey (Justice is blind)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: grundle

I have always wondered about that pristine bullet they allegedly found on the stretcher outside the operating room that Kennedy was on when they brought him into Parkland Hospital.


9 posted on 07/30/2013 10:32:30 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: grundle

And the secret service agent was firing from a UFO that had just landed on the grassy knoll.


10 posted on 07/30/2013 10:32:51 PM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: doc1019

Obviously killed by trained assassins in a cross filed of fire to assure that they would kill him. Anyone who believes it was Oswald is easily brainwashed...very easily.


11 posted on 07/30/2013 10:35:08 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: grundle; null and void; Slings and Arrows; a fool in paradise
Grass, Noell Conspiracy PING!


12 posted on 07/30/2013 10:36:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fabian

AMEN!


13 posted on 07/30/2013 10:36:03 PM PDT by doc1019 (Get our troops the hell out of the ME)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Defiant
Did you know that JFK's body was reintermed in 1967?

Documents here:

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=3&topic_id=48034&mesg_id=48034&listing_type=search

A friend of mine told me that JFK was kept on life support at a hospital in Dallas for a long time after the killing. My friend was a nurse who worked at that hospital. He was X-military.

There was talk that the re interment was to put his brains back in the coffin. My friend said his body was not in the coffin to begin with.

14 posted on 07/30/2013 10:42:50 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: doc1019

Thanks....typo btw, cross field of fire...oops.


15 posted on 07/30/2013 10:43:24 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: grundle

Unless the Secret Service was equipped with 6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano rifles. I call BS on this one.

The first shot hit Kennedy’s spine. His elbows were pulled back and up in a common reflex reaction to spinal damage. The bullet put a hole in the knot in Kennedy’s tie, and continued on to hit Connally. That shot killed Kennedy.

The second missed.

The third hit Kennedy in the head.


16 posted on 07/30/2013 10:46:03 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Well, that bullet was only "pristine" if you look at it from the one angle that the conspiracy theorists always show it from. If you look at it from a different angle, it's not very pristine at all:


17 posted on 07/30/2013 10:48:23 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: fabian

“Obviously killed by trained assassins in a cross filed of fire to assure that they would kill him. Anyone who believes it was Oswald is easily brainwashed...very easily.”

As opposed to those that are easily brainwashed by Oliver Stone movies?


18 posted on 07/30/2013 10:49:48 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: donmeaker

Oswald’s first shot was a miss, the second round was the bullet that hit Kennedy in the high part of his back paralyzing him passing through and causing Gov. Connally’s wounds, then finally the third shot hit Kennedy in the head.


19 posted on 07/30/2013 10:51:35 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Texas Fossil

What is a long time? Couldn’t have been too long, because his body was back in DC by midnight.


20 posted on 07/30/2013 10:52:18 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: The KG9 Kid

I don’t think any shot paralyzed him, since he moved his hands, arms, and torso after the first shot hit him. Also, I don’t think the autopsy showed any spinal cord damage, did it?


21 posted on 07/30/2013 10:54:27 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Boogieman

Do you have proof of that?


22 posted on 07/30/2013 10:55:08 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: fabian

It’s actually the opposite: those who believe in conspiracy are the ones who’ve been brainwashed.

Oswald was a deranged Communist sociopath who murdered the President of the United States. Thought it up and did it all by himself with a perfectly capable military surplus rifle.


23 posted on 07/30/2013 10:56:00 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: donmeaker

“The first shot hit Kennedy’s spine. His elbows were pulled back and up in a common reflex reaction to spinal damage. The bullet put a hole in the knot in Kennedy’s tie, and continued on to hit Connally. That shot killed Kennedy.”

I disagree. His arm movement is no reflex movement; he clearly reaches both hands up and grasps his throat, apparently where the exit wound from the bullet was.


24 posted on 07/30/2013 10:56:17 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: The KG9 Kid

Sad that you could be duped so easily...anyone with any commonsense can see multiple shots at multiple angels just from the Zapruder film...not to mention the blown out back of the head....daaaa!


25 posted on 07/30/2013 11:00:56 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: grundle

Hey, this wouldn’t happen to be the 50th anniversary of the assassination would it? Boy, I think we’ll have new conspiracy theories for the next 4 months.


26 posted on 07/30/2013 11:01:09 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Defiant

Considering he was hit AT LEAST twice, that would be one heck of an accident, eh?


27 posted on 07/30/2013 11:01:15 PM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Texas Fossil

Well, what kind of proof are you looking for? I mean, there is loads of documentation that his body was flown back to DC that same day and autopsied at Bethesda Naval Hospital, but, when it comes to anything with the JFK assassination, some people won’t accept any kind of proof that refutes their pet theory.

So, I could post the testimony of the doctors that autopsied him, the autopsy notes, the autopsy photos, etc. If that stuff won’t satisfy you, though, then I won’t bother.


28 posted on 07/30/2013 11:02:55 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Boogieman

The movement of Kennedy’s arms was into the ‘Thorburn Position’, a medical term for the movement of the arms along with a high extension of the elbows as a neurological reaction to trauma to the spinal cord.

It’s a fairly common symptom in combat injuries that involve temporary or permanent paralyzation of the high spinal cord region. It’s the most visible indicator to combat medics and Hospital Corpsmen that the subject is paralyzed.


29 posted on 07/30/2013 11:03:51 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: fabian

I’ll deal with you this November like I do with uninformed skeptics every year when the anniversary of JFKs assassination rolls around.


30 posted on 07/30/2013 11:05:37 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: fabian

“anyone with any commonsense can see multiple shots at multiple angels just from the Zapruder film...not to mention the blown out back of the head....”

Cool, I didn’t realize that common sense qualified someone to be a forensic expert. I’m heading down to the police department tomorrow to put in my application, those guys make pretty good money!


31 posted on 07/30/2013 11:06:24 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: The KG9 Kid

Except, there was no spinal injury found in the autopsy, so there would be nothing to trigger that reflex. Yet, we do know he had a wound in the front of his neck exactly where he seems to be grasping. Grasping at such a wound, which probably interfered with his breathing, is also a perfectly natural reaction, and fits the facts better than a reaction to a non-existent spinal injury.


32 posted on 07/30/2013 11:17:02 PM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: All
Oswald Singing Poster photo Oswaldsingingpostery.jpg

Help FR Continue the Conservative Fight!
Your Monthly and Quarterly Donations
Help Keep FR In the Battle!

Sponsoring FReepers are contributing
$10 Each time a New Monthly Donor signs up!
Get more bang for your FR buck!
Click Here To Sign Up Now!


33 posted on 07/30/2013 11:23:49 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: onyx

(Ping to #33)


34 posted on 07/30/2013 11:26:43 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: The KG9 Kid

I haven’t heard anyone describe the Carcano as a good rifle.


35 posted on 07/30/2013 11:26:48 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: windsorknot
And the secret service agent was firing from a UFO that had just landed on the grassy knoll.

You're more correct than you could possibly know! And that lone agent ... was the surgically-altered last survivor of Roswell!

36 posted on 07/30/2013 11:29:28 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: The KG9 Kid

Hows the pay these days?


37 posted on 07/30/2013 11:33:19 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Boogieman

Please don’t bother.Thank you.


38 posted on 07/30/2013 11:34:52 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Boogieman
"... Anybody who’s around firearms at all knows that guns do accidentally go off.”

Wondered why my firearms just kept going off at 3 am. /idiot Been shooting for over 30 years. Never had one "accidentally go off." Guess I am just special. BTW, to reiterate, the author is an idiot.

39 posted on 07/30/2013 11:35:04 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: wastedyears

No shit.Thats the first time I ever read that.LOL


40 posted on 07/30/2013 11:36:20 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Defiant
Here's another angle:
Secret service agents in the Dallas motorcade, all riding in brand new 64 Chevy convertibles just like the one I have. UH OH! What do I know and when did I know it?
41 posted on 07/30/2013 11:41:29 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Boogieman
Except that there was trauma to the lower cervical region as shown here in the autopsy photograph.

The bullet strike from the second bullet fired by Oswald (also causing Connally's wounds) was located near the center of JFK's upper back, high between the shoulder blades. The Thorburn Position doesn't require that the spinal cord actually be pierced or cut; just sufficient regional trauma to the lower cervical area is enough to exhibit the symptom. This was a high velocity rifle bullet wound, and as such the traumatized tissues are many times the diameter of the actual projectile circumference.

Moreover, place your finger at the spot on the front of your neck where you'd imagine the top of your necktie to be located then imagine drawing an invisible line straight through to your back. That spot is fairly low down between your shoulder blades, isn't it? The wound Kennedy suffered was significantly higher, thereby demonstrating evidence of a downward path of the bullet trajectory as fired from the TSBD sniper's nest.

42 posted on 07/30/2013 11:42:58 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: wastedyears

You really probably don’t know anyone who’s ever owned one, they’re sufficiently uncommon. Perfectly capable military rifle chambered in a suitably powerful cartridge of the time it was adopted for military service. I don’t know any reputable arms collectors who have negative opinions of the Mannlicher action.


43 posted on 07/30/2013 11:47:39 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Boogieman
yes and the one is a disappearing bullet so it is really special.
I will sell it to you....
44 posted on 07/30/2013 11:48:51 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS... We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dems care!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ping jockey
i believe you, cause I saw the early the same thing in a movie.. but that one also had a really scary Scene about a royal spanking...
45 posted on 07/30/2013 11:52:54 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS... We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dems care!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: grundle

Accidental???

The creep was as bad as Weiner, and he hit on a mafia wife. Got him ded.


46 posted on 07/30/2013 11:55:04 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of Muslim Brotherhood))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Defiant

This plainly absurd. And the article starts with an ad absurdium logical fallacy that is then contradicted in a following sentence.


47 posted on 07/30/2013 11:55:25 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.g)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: The KG9 Kid

“This theory isn’t the least bit new, nor is it ‘news’.”

This idea was put forth in a book titled Mortal Error back in 1992.

“Oswald was a deranged Communist sociopath who murdered the President of the United States.”

Thank God there’s some sane people here on this subject! Mark Lane and the KGB really did a great psych ops on this country.

“...did it all by himself with a perfectly capable military surplus rifle.”

Didn’t the Mannlicher-Carcano have a greater muzzle velocity than the M1?


48 posted on 07/31/2013 12:09:30 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: HANG THE EXPENSE; wastedyears
You might want to read the range report provided by an actual Carcano M38 owner over at Surplusrifle.com. He describes a smooth actioned rifle that even in unmaintained condition after 60+ years of storage and using 70-year old Italian ammunition managed to print perfectly suitable 2-3 inch groups at 100 yards.

Remember that Oswald's hits were made with a telescopic sight at ranges of only 44 and 88 yards over a period of almost nine seconds. Oswald qualified as a mid-level sharpshooter under USMC 'known distance' range qualification regimen.

What's more, milsurp collectors regard the Carcano M38 as a superior military rifle compared to many others fielded by participant nations of WWI and WWII. Certainly several levels better than the Russian Mosin-Nagant. It served the Italians well in conquering Ethiopia and on the Russian Front in WWII. The 6.5x52 Mannlicher-Carcano cartridge was also a popular pre-war safari cartridge both in Europe and here in the United States for it's flat trajectory and penetration characteristics. Good African hunting round even for dangerous game.

Finally, the recent effort to bring more power, range, and terminal wound ballistics to the AR-15 platform has resulted in the adoption of the 6.5 Grendel round used by US Special Forces SOCOM in Afghanistan. That 6.5 Grendel cartridge has almost equal ballistics to the 6.5x52 Carcano round chambered in the Mannlicher-Carcano M38 rifle that Oswald used to murder President Kennedy. I love pointing that out.

To contend that the Fascist blackshirt Italian government settled on arming their troops with a lousy inaccurate rifle firing a weak cartridge (yet designed by Mannlicher, one of the most famous names in 20th Century firearms design and manufactured by house Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta who have experience making some of Europe's finest military arms going all the way back to the crossbows of the Middle Ages) is just foolish.

49 posted on 07/31/2013 12:41:49 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: grundle

Here’s the best theory I’ve seen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikka_to_Ride


50 posted on 07/31/2013 12:51:51 AM PDT by radmanptn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-138 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson