Secret service agents in the Dallas motorcade, all riding in brand new 64 Chevy convertibles just like the one I have. UH OH! What do I know and when did I know it?
Posted on 07/30/2013 10:20:03 PM PDT by grundle
ReelzChannel is getting back into the Kennedy family business, and once again likely to make some waves. In November, the network that aired the Emmy-winning 2011 miniseries "The Kennedys" will debut "JFK: The Smoking Gun," a new documentary offering the theory that John F. Kennedy was killed, not by Lee Harvey Oswald’s rifle, but by the friendly-fire bullet of an inexperienced Secret Service agent.
"The only possible gun that could have been in that area is that Secret Service gun. So the finding is that it was an accidental discharge. Nobody's claiming anybody did anything wrong. But at the time, in the middle of the Cold War ... remember, it wasn't a time that the U.S. government would have liked to admit a botched security detail in the most important mission they had."
According to Hubbard's explanation of the docudrama, the timeline of the events of Nov. 22, 1963, will go something like this:
After Lee Harvey Oswald fired an initial shot at the Kennedy motorcade in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, a Secret Service agent named George Hickey responded. Hickey, an inexperienced agent who had never been on follow-up car duty, grabbed his AR-15 Secret Service rifle and, while standing in the back of the car that was behind the Kennedy vehicle in the motorcade, fired a shot, he hoped, towards the enemy fire. But the car he was riding in suddenly lurched forward, and, the theory suggests, Hickey's hand faltered, sending his bullet towards the president’s head. Oswald had fired a second shot that also hit Kennedy, but it was not necessarily the shot that fatally wounded JFK, according to the theory.
(Excerpt) Read more at tv.yahoo.com ...
The bullet strike from the second bullet fired by Oswald (also causing Connally's wounds) was located near the center of JFK's upper back, high between the shoulder blades. The Thorburn Position doesn't require that the spinal cord actually be pierced or cut; just sufficient regional trauma to the lower cervical area is enough to exhibit the symptom. This was a high velocity rifle bullet wound, and as such the traumatized tissues are many times the diameter of the actual projectile circumference.
Moreover, place your finger at the spot on the front of your neck where you'd imagine the top of your necktie to be located then imagine drawing an invisible line straight through to your back. That spot is fairly low down between your shoulder blades, isn't it? The wound Kennedy suffered was significantly higher, thereby demonstrating evidence of a downward path of the bullet trajectory as fired from the TSBD sniper's nest.
You really probably don’t know anyone who’s ever owned one, they’re sufficiently uncommon. Perfectly capable military rifle chambered in a suitably powerful cartridge of the time it was adopted for military service. I don’t know any reputable arms collectors who have negative opinions of the Mannlicher action.
Accidental???
The creep was as bad as Weiner, and he hit on a mafia wife. Got him ded.
This plainly absurd. And the article starts with an ad absurdium logical fallacy that is then contradicted in a following sentence.
“This theory isn’t the least bit new, nor is it ‘news’.”
This idea was put forth in a book titled Mortal Error back in 1992.
“Oswald was a deranged Communist sociopath who murdered the President of the United States.”
Thank God there’s some sane people here on this subject! Mark Lane and the KGB really did a great psych ops on this country.
“...did it all by himself with a perfectly capable military surplus rifle.”
Didn’t the Mannlicher-Carcano have a greater muzzle velocity than the M1?
Remember that Oswald's hits were made with a telescopic sight at ranges of only 44 and 88 yards over a period of almost nine seconds. Oswald qualified as a mid-level sharpshooter under USMC 'known distance' range qualification regimen.
What's more, milsurp collectors regard the Carcano M38 as a superior military rifle compared to many others fielded by participant nations of WWI and WWII. Certainly several levels better than the Russian Mosin-Nagant. It served the Italians well in conquering Ethiopia and on the Russian Front in WWII. The 6.5x52 Mannlicher-Carcano cartridge was also a popular pre-war safari cartridge both in Europe and here in the United States for it's flat trajectory and penetration characteristics. Good African hunting round even for dangerous game.
Finally, the recent effort to bring more power, range, and terminal wound ballistics to the AR-15 platform has resulted in the adoption of the 6.5 Grendel round used by US Special Forces SOCOM in Afghanistan. That 6.5 Grendel cartridge has almost equal ballistics to the 6.5x52 Carcano round chambered in the Mannlicher-Carcano M38 rifle that Oswald used to murder President Kennedy. I love pointing that out.
To contend that the Fascist blackshirt Italian government settled on arming their troops with a lousy inaccurate rifle firing a weak cartridge (yet designed by Mannlicher, one of the most famous names in 20th Century firearms design and manufactured by house Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta who have experience making some of Europe's finest military arms going all the way back to the crossbows of the Middle Ages) is just foolish.
Here’s the best theory I’ve seen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikka_to_Ride
Wow, I had to actually read the article to make sure that was an actual quote from this moron. No, anybody who’s around firearms at all DOES NOT know that guns do accidentally go off. In fact, quite the opposite.
I’m going with dumbest theory yet as well.
Maybe it was Aliens.
Ooooh! Ooooh! That’s a GOOD one!
I collect all the conspiracy theories like boxtops!
Well one good thing about the passing of time...in another decade or two, these things become so stupidly irrelevant that people see the fixation on them for the weirdness they are.
Stupid.
Have you read the report used by the Warren Commission to evaluate the weapon and the ballistics?
An evaluation done by a USMC weapons expert who concluded it was a very serviceable weapon fully capable for what it was used for, and was used by the Italian military?
There is a very good and comprehensive description of this aspect of the assassination in Vincent Bugliosi's excellent book "Reclaiming History".
Bugliosi’s book “Reclaiming History” discusses this at length and completely demolishes the stupid claim that Oswald could have never got off that many shots from that type of rifle, much less hit anything. What the Warren Commission did to evaluate it was pretty impressive, to the point of laying out a range where the target went at the same speed and direction as Kennedy’s car, and a sniper shot from a tower built to the same height.
The sniper did BETTER than what the cynics say was “impossible”.
While Vincent Bugliosi (tried Charles Manson and is the author of “Helter Skelter”) is a leftist, he also has a pretty good mind when he turns it to his specialty, which is law.
He wrote an excellent book about the JFK assassination called “Reclaiming History” that not only exhaustively dispelled nearly ever single assertion by the conspiracy theory people, but also buttressed most of the main points of the Warren Commission.
For example, one of the main contentions is that Oswald could have never fired as many shots as he did, as accurately as he did from the Mannlicher-Carcano. It was characterized as a cheap, inferior product, not accurate, and could not have done what it did. The Warren Commission not only showed contrary opinions from the US Army that the gun was not considered a cheap piece of crap (they considered it a capable weapon long before the assassination) but that a Marine Corps weapons expert could not only shoot the weapon as fast in an environment that simulated the range, speed, relative positions and size of target, but was able to improve on the shooting. (if I recall, the weapons expert said that Oswald likely used the iron sights instead of the scope, as he did during his evaluation of the weapon. Using the scope would have been more difficult in some respects)
But one of the best passages from the book describes how Oswald was giving a lecture to a large audience (in the hundreds) of high powered attorneys, and he posed a question to them: “How many of you believe that there was a conspiracy to murder JFK, and that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone?” The response was nearly every single hand in the room was raised.
He then said (I have to paraphrase, don’t have the book) “What if I could convince all of you, in sixty seconds or less, that you are not thinking correctly on the subject?” There was some commotion and loud murmuring from the crowd, and one of them said aloud: “We don’t think you can do it.”
So Bugliosi turned to someone on the stage with him and said “Okay, start timing”. He turned to the crowd and said “How many of you have ever read the Warren Commission Report?”
Only one or two hands went up. Bugliosi said: “As lawyers, isn’t it vitally important, perhaps most important, to weigh all the facts available and to hear both sides of the story before you come to a conclusion? I once had a country lawyer say to me, no matter how thin I make my flapjacks, there are still two sides to them.” He turned to the timer and said asked how much time was left. The timer said twenty seconds.
There wasn’t a single peep of dissent from the audience of assembled lawyers. He later said he wasn’t even questioning whether anyone had read the entire Warren Commission Report (all volumes) but only the summary/
Bugliosi’s point is that the JFK assassination was the most investigated crime in history, for a crime in which with the circumstances, witnesses and physical evidence at hand, he could have decisively convicted the perpetrator in few days under any other circumstances. He acknowledged that there are some inconsistencies, but as he mentioned in each of his other books I have read (”Helter Skelter” and “The Sea Will Tell”) there is no analysis of any event that does not have inconsistencies. The question is always whether those inconsistencies have enough relevance to counterbalance the solid evidence.
As far as Kennedy's head snapping back, when you watch a cleaned-up version of the Zapruder film, you can see the bullet clearly striking him in the back of it but not cleanly, since the limo was rounding a curve. His head very quickly snapped forward and then back, which is what most people see.
Watch it here, especially in slow motion:
There was no spinal injury-—the neck wound was a clean flesh wound and survivable, but when the bullet went through, there was a lot of blood that suddenly started flowing down his throat and windpipe-—he in fact could have drowned in his own blood.
As we approach Nov. 22, the 50th anniversary of this tragic events, all sorts of newfangled theories will surface. This is one of those stupid theories.
There is enough evidence now to implicate the Miami/New Orleans/Chicago and Dallas mobs with renegade elements from the CIA,ONI,VP Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover.
Oslwald was indeed a patsy even though he may have fired a first shot.
It was not the Zortrans, it was the mob. Look for Jimmy Hoffa who “disappeared” in 1975, he knew.
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