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Pat Robertson on Sex Changes: "I Donít Think Itís A Sin"
townhall ^ | Greg Hengler

Posted on 07/31/2013 7:21:03 AM PDT by Morgana

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1 posted on 07/31/2013 7:21:03 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

God got it wrong?


2 posted on 07/31/2013 7:22:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Morgana

Or right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqjZotBO9-Y


3 posted on 07/31/2013 7:22:33 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Morgana

Sorry, but this guy is just senile anymore.


4 posted on 07/31/2013 7:22:44 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: Artcore

I agree.


5 posted on 07/31/2013 7:24:07 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

In the words of that Great Statesmen and Theologian Jimi Hendrix

Is this Love... baby

or is it ...uh...C-O-N-F-U-S-I-O-N.

I’d suggest that its confusion.

God doesnt MAKE mistakes


6 posted on 07/31/2013 7:24:08 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Macabre Crumpet of Caucasian Ethnicity)
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To: Artcore

Whether he’s wrong or not, the Gaystapo will take this seeming capitulation and run with it to the goal line of “inevitability.”


7 posted on 07/31/2013 7:24:46 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Artcore; Chode

Not only is he just senile but he’s gonna lead a lot of people to hell if CBN does not pull him from that show and pronto!


8 posted on 07/31/2013 7:25:23 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

I wonder if his apologists will claim the “out of context” defense like the Catholics did with Francis.


9 posted on 07/31/2013 7:26:03 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

MRS. GARRISON
Hello doctor, looks like I need an abortion.

DOCTOR
...an abortion?

MRS. GARRISON
Yeah, I’ve got one growing inside me.
Now, are you gonna scramble its brains
or just vacuum it out? ...If you want
you can just scramble it and I’ll queef
it out myself.

DOCTOR
Mmister Garrison-

MRS. GARRISON
Mrs. Garrison.

DOCTOR
Mmrs. Garrison, you can’t have an abortion.

MRS. GARRISON
Don’t you tell me what I can and can’t
do with my body! A woman has a right
to choose!

DOCTOR
No, I mean you’re physically unable
to have an abortion, because you can’t
get pregnant.

MRS. GARRISON
But I missed my period.

DOCTOR
You can’t have periods either. You
had a sex change, Mr. Garrison, but
you don’t have ovaries or a womb. You
don’t produce eggs.

MRS. GARRISON
You mean, I’ll never know what it feels
like to have a baby growing inside me
and then scramble its brains and vacuum
it out?

DOCTOR
N-that’s right.

MRS. GARRISON
But I paid five thousand dollars to
be a woman. This would mean I I’m not
really a woman. Ih, I’m just a... a
I’m just a guy with a mutilated penis!

DOCTOR
Basically, yes.

MRS. GARRISON
...Oh boy, do I feel like a jackass.


10 posted on 07/31/2013 7:27:13 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Do you love the way that South Park just nails it on the head?


11 posted on 07/31/2013 7:28:47 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: dfwgator

wonderful “scenario”!


12 posted on 07/31/2013 7:30:37 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Macabre Crumpet of Caucasian Ethnicity)
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To: Morgana

He went out of his way to make those comments. He wasn’t even asked his view on sex changes, he was asked about dealing with people who have had sex changes.

Pat is leaning on his own understanding I’m afraid.


13 posted on 07/31/2013 7:32:16 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Morgana
I guess it depends on how you look at it.

What level of alteration is OK?

Circumcision--cleared by The Almighty.

Piercings (ears, eyebrows, lips tongues, belly buttons, etc.)?

Tattoos?

We accept the medically necessary that might otherwise be considered mutilation, in order to save life itself.

Liposuction?

Face lifts, tummy tucks, etc.?

Is this just another optional modification, albeit extreme?

While other optional modifications are generally done to make a person feel more beautiful (keeping in mind that our Creator made us as He would have us), is it sinful to make the lesser changes, and if not, why the greater ones?

It still does not change the person--the DNA remains the same.

Mind you, I'm NOT arguing for such self-mutilation, even at the hands of a qualified surgeon, I'm just trying to look at the whole issue of optional body modification. Is there a point where the modification becomes a sin, and if so, where?

14 posted on 07/31/2013 7:36:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Artcore

Amen! His family really needs to sit him down for an intervention and get him to retire from television.


15 posted on 07/31/2013 7:37:22 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: .45 Long Colt

Pat is diving the 700 Club and CBN in the ground.


16 posted on 07/31/2013 7:38:02 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: fwdude

It will be hard for people to claim PR is taking this out of context.

He admits that he has two sex-changers who work for him on his staff.


17 posted on 07/31/2013 7:38:14 AM PDT by Alex in chains
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To: Morgana

Like I said on another thread, we donate to CBN because of its work done overseas-—feeding kids, helping with disasters, spreading the Gospel. But that stops now. There are plenty of organizations that do the same thing.


18 posted on 07/31/2013 7:38:19 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Alex in chains

“He admits that he has two sex-changers who work for him on his staff.”

Robertson said this? What kind of place is CBN? Sounds like Moss Eisley Spaceport.


19 posted on 07/31/2013 7:43:01 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Alex in chains; fwdude

Why should he let that get in the way of Catholic bashing on a thread not involving Catholics? /s


20 posted on 07/31/2013 7:44:23 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: fwdude

Well, I think I took a fair look at the Francis flap. The biggest, and probably only really serious, concern is that he (speaking in Italian) used the term “gay” literally borrowed into Italian. However this got rendered as “gay” in English. If anyone needs for the Lord’s sake to not slip into this dastardly euphemism (rejoicing in iniquity isn’t “gay” in any manner) it’s an influential Christian luminary. It could be a one off for Francis if he takes warning about saying “gay” in Italian again except to disparage the term.

But Pat... it’s unclear on the surface what context could “clarify” it to be something satisfactory... but again did he get asked a trick question, like what do they do with a boy born sans penis or a girl born sans vagina, or with one of the rare XXY children. Let’s find out at least that.


21 posted on 07/31/2013 7:45:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: EEGator

“Why should he let that get in the way of Catholic bashing on a thread not involving Catholics? /s”

Was thinking the same thing, it has never stopped Pat before.


22 posted on 07/31/2013 7:46:18 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: EEGator

One man’s bash is another man’s honest criticism.


23 posted on 07/31/2013 7:47:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Morgana

We’re Christians, not cats. The meowing should stop.


24 posted on 07/31/2013 7:49:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

You know what Cathy? My mom says it’s just best to give money to your church than to give to these big organizations. If you want to help kids overseas then help missionaries in your church, my mom says that is best. That way you know where the money is going.


25 posted on 07/31/2013 7:49:22 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s not Meowing, more of a cat fight.


26 posted on 07/31/2013 7:51:39 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

I thought the generation that took Pat Robertson seriously would have died off now.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 7:53:31 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Morgana

Roamin’ Catolics? Vs. Protestomcats?


28 posted on 07/31/2013 7:54:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Artcore

And/or just saying what will keep the donations rolling in but senilty is probably lurking in that brain somewhere too


29 posted on 07/31/2013 7:55:22 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Morgana

I think your mom is right.


30 posted on 07/31/2013 7:56:36 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I’ve often wondered that, too. Even little things like dying one’s hair, putting on makeup, wearing a toupee, even dressing to hide one’s figure flaws, aren’t we saying we aren’t happy with the way God made us?


31 posted on 07/31/2013 7:57:18 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well he was an old Baptist luminary who mostly had some sense. The SBC, at least, has firmed up doctrine after Pat’s time of service. Such surgeries, in the absence of some genuine phenotypic abnormality, are simply mutilations and acts of hate. They aren’t unforgiveable sins, there is only one unforgiveable sin (refusal to accept the Holy Spirit’s leading to believe Jesus according to the gospel promise), but to say there’s nothing wrong with that... he’s losing marbles.


32 posted on 07/31/2013 8:00:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: EEGator

Who bashed Catholics? I was pointing out the recent similar comment made by Francis, which is pertinent to this thread in that the Gaystapo will run with it.


33 posted on 07/31/2013 8:00:16 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

A boy who has his penis removed is still a boy. A girl who has her breasts removed is still a girl.


34 posted on 07/31/2013 8:01:54 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

That’s not what I talked about here


35 posted on 07/31/2013 8:03:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Alex in chains
He admits that he has two sex-changers who work for him on his staff.

The Baptist word for this with a believer is 'backsliding' (Baptists are not afraid to use colorful language in preaching). Such a person is in heightened danger of divine discipline lest he do much more damage.

36 posted on 07/31/2013 8:06:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Nea Wood

Actually it means the opposite sex isn’t happy with the way one is made.


37 posted on 07/31/2013 8:06:21 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Baptists should use the word scripture uses: carnal. Fleshly.


38 posted on 07/31/2013 8:10:06 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If anyone needs for the Lord’s sake to not slip into this dastardly euphemism (rejoicing in iniquity isn’t “gay” in any manner) it’s an influential Christian luminary.

Call it what it is, not what the left wants you to call it. HOMOSEXUAL, because there's nothing GAY about it.

39 posted on 07/31/2013 8:10:14 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If Pat Robertson was a cat he would be "Bill the Cat" bill the cat photo: Bill the Cat bill_the_catsmall.jpg Freebasing Tender Vittles.
40 posted on 07/31/2013 8:10:31 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

I think he may be talking about Hermaphrodites vs thinking you are female when you have the plumbing of a boy and chromosomes to match.


41 posted on 07/31/2013 8:10:59 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Smokin' Joe
What level of alteration is OK?

I believe the act of "sex change"(actually just genital mutilation)is a sin but once done is not an unforgiveable sin. Just as an alcoholic with liver damage isn't forbaden from salvation even though the damage is irrepairable.

However that brings up the question of that person is still the genetically male/female pre-operation state and thus the sin of homosexuelity is still a sin.

Wonder how PR got around THAT issue?
42 posted on 07/31/2013 8:11:47 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Nea Wood
Even little things like dying one’s hair, putting on makeup....aren’t we saying we aren’t happy with the way God made us?

The Amish certainly think so.

But then they believe colorful garments are a sin(pride)and detract from the Glory of God...
43 posted on 07/31/2013 8:16:40 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Arlis

And they do, as well. Backsliding is an Old Testament term which might or might not be literally apropos as it describes the behavior of a group, not of an individual, without explaining how it got that way (shift in individuals’ behavior? shift in membership?) but it tells more than “carnal” does. I don’t get bent out of shape at this terminology, I know what they mean and it’s clear enough.


44 posted on 07/31/2013 8:18:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Morgana

Ack pht this is a stinky litter box.


45 posted on 07/31/2013 8:18:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Morgana
“He admits that he has two sex-changers who work for him on his staff.”

Thank God CBN no longer produces a daily Bozo show for kids.


46 posted on 07/31/2013 8:20:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RedMonqey

But they are more open minded towards other Christians (they call them English). Sounds to me like legalism as it is as possible to sin vigorously without modern conveniences as it is with modern conveniences. They’d be better off using whatever is needed to glorify the Lord as the Lord provides it without putting an artificial limit on what He can provide. What Amish would ever preach the gospel on Facebook? But I do....


47 posted on 07/31/2013 8:21:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Morgana
Pat: "Lord, Lord !"

Christ: "I never knew you"

48 posted on 07/31/2013 8:23:34 AM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Having spent more time in Baptist churches than any other denomination, and a youth pastor in a Baptist church, and having more Baptist pastors as my friends than any other group, I just love tweaking my Baptist brethren about their idiosyncracies..... ;-)


49 posted on 07/31/2013 8:23:59 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: SENTINEL

Dreadful scenario but that’s one hypothesis... he never accepted salvation, he was simply a “good Baptist” in the flesh and nobody prodded deeply enough to see if what he claimed was plausibly so.


50 posted on 07/31/2013 8:25:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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