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.32 ACP FMJ versus .32 ACP JHP

Posted on 07/31/2013 12:45:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy

So I know a guy who knows a guy who owns a Walther PPK. He's asking whether to load FMJ or JHP, purely for self-defense. It's not his primary weapon . . . he just wants to know what to keep in the magazines.


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1 posted on 07/31/2013 12:45:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Hollows man, go for expansion.


2 posted on 07/31/2013 12:48:04 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: 1rudeboy

Take a hint from hunters, go for hollow points, or better yet controlled high expansion rounds like gold dot.


3 posted on 07/31/2013 12:49:04 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: 1rudeboy

JHP


4 posted on 07/31/2013 12:49:18 PM PDT by cork (Remember Bengazi!)
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To: 1rudeboy

Check the gun forums for discussions of the Seecamp .32 pistol - some of those guys have studied the caliber’s capabilities. Seems like I’ve seen recommendations to go with the FMJ, but I can’t be sure.


5 posted on 07/31/2013 12:50:01 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: 1rudeboy
Popular Mechanics, Food Traveler, Success from Home, Log Home Living.....
6 posted on 07/31/2013 12:50:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Here's what a non-expanded .32 looks like, in my left side:


7 posted on 07/31/2013 12:50:46 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

First three comments practically settle it . . . I only asked (on his behalf) because there appears to be some “controversy” when I did the research (on his behalf).


8 posted on 07/31/2013 12:50:50 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: carriage_hill

Ouch!


9 posted on 07/31/2013 12:53:06 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: carriage_hill

I can’t resist. How’d you get shot in the buttocks?

Run, Forrest! Run!


10 posted on 07/31/2013 12:53:36 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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To: 1rudeboy

HP ammo is always preferable for personal defense, but you need to make sure that it’s reliable in your weapon. I’d make sure that it can fire 100 rds. without any FTF’s. If they don’t pass the test, you’re better off using the FMC stuff.


11 posted on 07/31/2013 12:53:39 PM PDT by VR-21 (I'm weary of being lorded over by criminals and gilded degenerates.)
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To: 1rudeboy

JHP is my personal preference as long as there are zero feeding issues. Take some to the range to check for feeding reliability.


12 posted on 07/31/2013 12:54:26 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: carriage_hill

... And is the Free Republic on the screen in the background?

lol


13 posted on 07/31/2013 12:54:32 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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To: 1rudeboy
JHP. FMJ's are more likely to over-penetrate the target, endangering everyone and everything behind your target.

Use FMJ for target practice, as fragmentation can be dangerous if it bounces off a hard target. If you can afford it, go for TMJ (total metal jacket), especially in an indoor range. It completely encases the lead bullet with a copper jacket.

FMJ's don't encase the bottom of the bullet in a jacket. So, a thin layer of lead is vaporized by the powder charge. If the area is not well-ventilated (and even if it is), you breathe the lead vapor and get lead particles all over your hands. Long term, it can cause lead poisoning if you shoot a lot.

14 posted on 07/31/2013 12:55:15 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: 1rudeboy

Silvertips.


15 posted on 07/31/2013 12:55:26 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: VR-21
HP ammo is always preferable for personal defense, but you need to make sure that it’s reliable in your weapon.

THAT is a great point! I have female family members that carry .32 and .380 self defense weapons. I can't remember which one of them jambs. But one of them won't feed many types of JHP. They don't make it up the ramp before the slide hangs up. If I remember correctly, we did find a type that seemed reliable (50+ rounds). But I do not recall any specifics.

16 posted on 07/31/2013 12:57:23 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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To: carriage_hill

... and STAY off my lawn.


17 posted on 07/31/2013 1:00:58 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Use hollow points for the same reason the FBI does - to prevent over penetration and hitting an innocent bystander.

At least that is what you say at the trial.


18 posted on 07/31/2013 1:01:43 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: 1rudeboy

I use Winchester silvertips in my Beretta Tomcat. (.32 ACP) no prob.
But some older pieces, like my Browning Hi-power, are not reliable with JHP.
Proof is in the shooting. Tell him to break down, buy a box, and shoot them.


19 posted on 07/31/2013 1:02:05 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: 1rudeboy

The PPK can be temperamental with other than FMJ. I found that even among factory magazines some were reliable, some not so much.

FWIW, my Makarov 9x18 digests whatever I load into it with never a hiccup. Commie ammo, postcommie ammo, JHP, all have cycled fine.

But I’ll keep my PPK just the same. 007 & all that.


20 posted on 07/31/2013 1:02:58 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: 1rudeboy
If they work, no question hollow point is a better round for defense, assuming it feeds well. >380 have issues with that.

Of concern is, will the little .380 HP even expand at the meager velocity it gets up to? More than a few 9mm rounds do not reliably expand apparently, and they are driven a lot faster.

21 posted on 07/31/2013 1:03:36 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Tenacious 1

Yes, the Rush thread, from a few months ago. That’s the 2004 x-ray from a past back injury. Dr freaked-out when he saw the bullet, wanted to call PD and get me to hospital. It was a 1974 robbery/shooting.


22 posted on 07/31/2013 1:03:41 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Conventional advice is to go for expansion, but I personally don't trust that the .32 Auto has enough energy to expand. It's no magnum... it's not even comparable to a .38 Special.

Therefore I say load for penetration, as much as you can get. I carry Fiocchi ball in mine. If you're going to poke holes in the bad guy, poke them as deeply as possible and out the other side if you can.

23 posted on 07/31/2013 1:04:46 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: carriage_hill

OUCH


24 posted on 07/31/2013 1:05:11 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: 1rudeboy

.32 ACP seems like a bit of overkill for self defense. You might want to consider switching to .25 ACP, or even .22 LR to avoid the recoil.


25 posted on 07/31/2013 1:05:59 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I hear wet grass.)
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To: 1rudeboy

bookmark


26 posted on 07/31/2013 1:06:53 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("Happy, happy,happy." Phil Robertson)
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To: Tenacious 1

Walking out of a restaurant in West Palm Bch, with my finance, in 1974, and being robbed/shot in the parking lot. I was facing shooter and when I saw flash, turned sideways and it hit me in left hip.

Hospital trauma ctr doc said that saved my life, as small cal bullets tumble inside and would have ripped my guts to shreds, and I’d have bled-out in the pkg lot.

They didn’t have arthroscopic surgery back in 1974, and decided to leave it in, since it missed all organs/bones/nerves/arteries/veins. Wound sealed itself; didn’t even bleed. Just a big red lump, half-size of a grapefruit, with a black dot in center.

Still carry it, with no problems.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 1:09:15 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Only time I’d consider FMJ over JHP in a caliber that small is if it’s wintertime and you expect the shootee to be wearing heavy clothing. Otherwise, go with hollows - but practice with them first to avoid failures to feed and the like.


28 posted on 07/31/2013 1:09:51 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 1rudeboy

JHP with a the polymer tips. Critical Defense is the hot brand to get for short barrels and Critical Duty for 4+ inch barrels.

The polymer tip lets it pass thru mild resistance before expansion. That is especially useful for smaller rounds going through heavy fabric like coats.


29 posted on 07/31/2013 1:10:34 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 1rudeboy

I wonder if Glaser wouldn’t be good.


30 posted on 07/31/2013 1:12:19 PM PDT by Rio
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Help me out here, I can’t look it up right now: is the Hornady Critical Defense the same as the Hornady XTP? I can’t remember.


31 posted on 07/31/2013 1:13:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: American in Israel; VeniVidiVici

Actually, it didn’t even hurt until hours later, since EMTs missed it completely when examining me. Just ached. Didn’t bleed; wound sealed itself, but left a red half-grapefruit-size mound with black dot in center (hematoma). I did have quite a few drinks before and afterward...


32 posted on 07/31/2013 1:13:12 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

.22 LR? or a .25 ACP is pretty light weight stuff.

It may not be fun to shoot but it works much better.

For fun get a 6” revolver and shoot .38.


33 posted on 07/31/2013 1:13:43 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Jeff Chandler
.32 ACP seems like a bit of overkill for self defense. You might want to consider switching to .25 ACP, or even .22 LR to avoid the recoil.

You forgot the sarcasm tag....

Though I think that more people are killed with .22LR than any other caliber.

34 posted on 07/31/2013 1:14:04 PM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: carriage_hill

I guess you can count your blessings that the perp had a .32 instead of one of the bigger calibers. Glad your ok now.


35 posted on 07/31/2013 1:14:41 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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36 posted on 07/31/2013 1:15:00 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: 1rudeboy

For defense a .38 5 shot hammerless snubby is perfect. Practically zero maintenance. It’s not a fun gun to shoot on weekends.

For that get a Glock or a 6” .357 and shoot .38’s for practice. I have all of the above and the snubby is just what it is concealable.


37 posted on 07/31/2013 1:17:37 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 1rudeboy

Critical Defense is for 1” - 2” barrels. Critical Duty is for Compact and bigger.


38 posted on 07/31/2013 1:19:01 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Rio

I have some 230gr Glaser Pow-R-Ball Ammo for both my Kimber 1911 .45cal ACPs. Kimbers eat any ammo, and Cor-Bon 230gr HPs do just fine.

http://www.corbon.com/pow-rball/general/pow-r-ball


39 posted on 07/31/2013 1:19:37 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: American in Israel

Saturday Night Special; glad it was a small cal, and I spun sideways to take it in the hip instead of in the gut.


40 posted on 07/31/2013 1:21:56 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: OKSooner

Silvertip JHP - I agree


41 posted on 07/31/2013 1:23:10 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Oberon

I’m in favor of the JHPs myself.

On the other hand, the 32 cal is at the extreme minimum of suitability for self defense IMO.

I picked this up off the net “32ACP Caliber:
One Shot Stopping Success: 50-63% (Actual)
Self Defense Rating: Fair
Recommended Cartridges: Winchester “Silvertip” JHP 60 grains 63% Winchester FMJ 71 grains 50%
The .32ACP, chambered in a pocket autoloader, is a viable choice when ability to conceal the handgun is an issue.
Penetration can be expected to be in the range of 6 to 8 inches.”

Frankly, I like the 380 better and have a Bersa, which is a Walther knockoff in actuality, which takes a 90 grain JHP. 200 rds, I have had no feed issues.


42 posted on 07/31/2013 1:23:55 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"....or even .22 LR to avoid the recoil."

Delivered dead-pan like Bob Newhart....

43 posted on 07/31/2013 1:27:01 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: 1rudeboy

Make sure it is RELIABLE with hollow points, burn some ammo through it, find what works best.


44 posted on 07/31/2013 1:28:22 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: carriage_hill

Damn, you zigged when you should have zagged!


45 posted on 07/31/2013 1:30:12 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: justlurking

Good Grief, you’re sounding like a liberal!


46 posted on 07/31/2013 1:32:43 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Resolute Conservative
JHP +1...

JHP expansion dissipates more kinetic energy...
... with more damaging terminal ballistics...
THINK-->>> ...the projectile STOPS!

FMJ may well go through-n-through --
May keep going a good distance with penetrating energy...
THINK: possible collateral damage/bystander injury... etc.

Just my $.02

47 posted on 07/31/2013 1:32:52 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: carriage_hill

Have you still got the “ big red lump, half-size of a grapefruit, with a black dot in center”?


48 posted on 07/31/2013 1:34:38 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I carry a Beretta .25 cal in a wallet holster. Nine rounds available and never a jam. The .25 in my pocket is worth more than the .45 in my safe. I know, I know.

I tried out a .38 snubbie & those five rounds were gone in nothing flat. Maybe I’ll get a Beretta 84 .380 with the double stack.

Pistol shooting used to be fun. Now it’s strictly training. Anyone know about combat shooting from in or around a stopped vehicle or from a moving one?


49 posted on 07/31/2013 1:36:10 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Psalm 73

I figured that was a joke. My question was specific enough to try and avoid the “my ‘gun’ is bigger than yours” comments, but hey, it’s FR.


50 posted on 07/31/2013 1:37:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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