Skip to comments..32 ACP FMJ versus .32 ACP JHP
Posted on 07/31/2013 12:45:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
So I know a guy who knows a guy who owns a Walther PPK. He's asking whether to load FMJ or JHP, purely for self-defense. It's not his primary weapon . . . he just wants to know what to keep in the magazines.
Hollows man, go for expansion.
Take a hint from hunters, go for hollow points, or better yet controlled high expansion rounds like gold dot.
Check the gun forums for discussions of the Seecamp .32 pistol - some of those guys have studied the caliber’s capabilities. Seems like I’ve seen recommendations to go with the FMJ, but I can’t be sure.
First three comments practically settle it . . . I only asked (on his behalf) because there appears to be some “controversy” when I did the research (on his behalf).
I can’t resist. How’d you get shot in the buttocks?
Run, Forrest! Run!
HP ammo is always preferable for personal defense, but you need to make sure that it’s reliable in your weapon. I’d make sure that it can fire 100 rds. without any FTF’s. If they don’t pass the test, you’re better off using the FMC stuff.
JHP is my personal preference as long as there are zero feeding issues. Take some to the range to check for feeding reliability.
... And is the Free Republic on the screen in the background?
Use FMJ for target practice, as fragmentation can be dangerous if it bounces off a hard target. If you can afford it, go for TMJ (total metal jacket), especially in an indoor range. It completely encases the lead bullet with a copper jacket.
FMJ's don't encase the bottom of the bullet in a jacket. So, a thin layer of lead is vaporized by the powder charge. If the area is not well-ventilated (and even if it is), you breathe the lead vapor and get lead particles all over your hands. Long term, it can cause lead poisoning if you shoot a lot.
THAT is a great point! I have female family members that carry .32 and .380 self defense weapons. I can't remember which one of them jambs. But one of them won't feed many types of JHP. They don't make it up the ramp before the slide hangs up. If I remember correctly, we did find a type that seemed reliable (50+ rounds). But I do not recall any specifics.
... and STAY off my lawn.
Use hollow points for the same reason the FBI does - to prevent over penetration and hitting an innocent bystander.
At least that is what you say at the trial.
I use Winchester silvertips in my Beretta Tomcat. (.32 ACP) no prob.
But some older pieces, like my Browning Hi-power, are not reliable with JHP.
Proof is in the shooting. Tell him to break down, buy a box, and shoot them.
The PPK can be temperamental with other than FMJ. I found that even among factory magazines some were reliable, some not so much.
FWIW, my Makarov 9x18 digests whatever I load into it with never a hiccup. Commie ammo, postcommie ammo, JHP, all have cycled fine.
But I’ll keep my PPK just the same. 007 & all that.
Of concern is, will the little .380 HP even expand at the meager velocity it gets up to? More than a few 9mm rounds do not reliably expand apparently, and they are driven a lot faster.
Yes, the Rush thread, from a few months ago. That’s the 2004 x-ray from a past back injury. Dr freaked-out when he saw the bullet, wanted to call PD and get me to hospital. It was a 1974 robbery/shooting.
Therefore I say load for penetration, as much as you can get. I carry Fiocchi ball in mine. If you're going to poke holes in the bad guy, poke them as deeply as possible and out the other side if you can.
.32 ACP seems like a bit of overkill for self defense. You might want to consider switching to .25 ACP, or even .22 LR to avoid the recoil.
Walking out of a restaurant in West Palm Bch, with my finance, in 1974, and being robbed/shot in the parking lot. I was facing shooter and when I saw flash, turned sideways and it hit me in left hip.
Hospital trauma ctr doc said that saved my life, as small cal bullets tumble inside and would have ripped my guts to shreds, and I’d have bled-out in the pkg lot.
They didn’t have arthroscopic surgery back in 1974, and decided to leave it in, since it missed all organs/bones/nerves/arteries/veins. Wound sealed itself; didn’t even bleed. Just a big red lump, half-size of a grapefruit, with a black dot in center.
Still carry it, with no problems.
Only time I’d consider FMJ over JHP in a caliber that small is if it’s wintertime and you expect the shootee to be wearing heavy clothing. Otherwise, go with hollows - but practice with them first to avoid failures to feed and the like.
JHP with a the polymer tips. Critical Defense is the hot brand to get for short barrels and Critical Duty for 4+ inch barrels.
The polymer tip lets it pass thru mild resistance before expansion. That is especially useful for smaller rounds going through heavy fabric like coats.
I wonder if Glaser wouldn’t be good.
Help me out here, I can’t look it up right now: is the Hornady Critical Defense the same as the Hornady XTP? I can’t remember.
Actually, it didn’t even hurt until hours later, since EMTs missed it completely when examining me. Just ached. Didn’t bleed; wound sealed itself, but left a red half-grapefruit-size mound with black dot in center (hematoma). I did have quite a few drinks before and afterward...
.22 LR? or a .25 ACP is pretty light weight stuff.
It may not be fun to shoot but it works much better.
For fun get a 6” revolver and shoot .38.
You forgot the sarcasm tag....
Though I think that more people are killed with .22LR than any other caliber.
I guess you can count your blessings that the perp had a .32 instead of one of the bigger calibers. Glad your ok now.
For defense a .38 5 shot hammerless snubby is perfect. Practically zero maintenance. It’s not a fun gun to shoot on weekends.
For that get a Glock or a 6” .357 and shoot .38’s for practice. I have all of the above and the snubby is just what it is concealable.
Critical Defense is for 1” - 2” barrels. Critical Duty is for Compact and bigger.
I have some 230gr Glaser Pow-R-Ball Ammo for both my Kimber 1911 .45cal ACPs. Kimbers eat any ammo, and Cor-Bon 230gr HPs do just fine.
Saturday Night Special; glad it was a small cal, and I spun sideways to take it in the hip instead of in the gut.
Silvertip JHP - I agree
I’m in favor of the JHPs myself.
On the other hand, the 32 cal is at the extreme minimum of suitability for self defense IMO.
I picked this up off the net “32ACP Caliber:
One Shot Stopping Success: 50-63% (Actual)
Self Defense Rating: Fair
Recommended Cartridges: Winchester “Silvertip” JHP 60 grains 63% Winchester FMJ 71 grains 50%
The .32ACP, chambered in a pocket autoloader, is a viable choice when ability to conceal the handgun is an issue.
Penetration can be expected to be in the range of 6 to 8 inches.”
Frankly, I like the 380 better and have a Bersa, which is a Walther knockoff in actuality, which takes a 90 grain JHP. 200 rds, I have had no feed issues.
Delivered dead-pan like Bob Newhart....
Make sure it is RELIABLE with hollow points, burn some ammo through it, find what works best.
Damn, you zigged when you should have zagged!
Good Grief, you’re sounding like a liberal!
JHP expansion dissipates more kinetic energy...
... with more damaging terminal ballistics...
THINK-->>> ...the projectile STOPS!
FMJ may well go through-n-through --
May keep going a good distance with penetrating energy...
THINK: possible collateral damage/bystander injury... etc.
Just my $.02
Have you still got the “ big red lump, half-size of a grapefruit, with a black dot in center”?
I carry a Beretta .25 cal in a wallet holster. Nine rounds available and never a jam. The .25 in my pocket is worth more than the .45 in my safe. I know, I know.
I tried out a .38 snubbie & those five rounds were gone in nothing flat. Maybe I’ll get a Beretta 84 .380 with the double stack.
Pistol shooting used to be fun. Now it’s strictly training. Anyone know about combat shooting from in or around a stopped vehicle or from a moving one?
I figured that was a joke. My question was specific enough to try and avoid the “my ‘gun’ is bigger than yours” comments, but hey, it’s FR.