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Pat Robertson says birth control ‘very important’ to limit Appalachian ‘ragamuffins’ (Video)
Life Site ^ | Ben Johnson

Posted on 07/31/2013 8:36:12 PM PDT by Morgana

VIRGINIA BEACH, VA, July 31, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Two days after saying he found nothing sinful about sex-change operations, televangelist Pat Robertson said contraception is “a very important part of humanity” that would prevent the birth of too many Appalachian “ragamuffins.” He also said that Natural Family Planning violated the provisions of the Old Testament.

On today's episode of the 700 Club, a woman asked whether the use of birth control is sinful, something about which Catholics and Protestants disagree.

When Robertson's co-host, Wendy Griffith, said not all families could afford to have multiple children, Robertson replied, “That's the big problem, especially in Appalachia. They don't know about birth control. They just keep having babies.”

“You see a string of all these little ragamuffins, and not enough food to eat and so on,” he said, “and it's desperate poverty.” Pat Robertson discusses NFP on today's 700 Club. Pat Robertson discusses NFP on today's 700 Club.

“I'd say yes, birth control is absolutely an important thing for people to use,” he added, saying contraception “is a very important part of humanity.”

Robertson said that “birth control in the Protestant churches has always been permitted,” because they “feel that the care and rearing of children is a tremendous obligation.”

However, the 83-year-old host had negative words for the Natural Family Planning method. “Our good friends in the Catholic Church forbid the use of birth control but they allow people to use what's called 'rhythm,'” he said at the beginning of his answer. “If you read the Old Testament they were forbidden to have sex while women were having their menstrual period, and the Catholic Church is telling women to do just that, and it's OK.”

The Bible discouraged men from having sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual cycle – or touching her – in Leviticus 15:19-33, a provision taken up by Judaism and Islam.

However, Robertson went on to tell another writer later in the segment that eating pork, which is banned in Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:8, is not a sin.

“Where do people get all these things?” he asked. “This is ridiculous.”

The Protestant Reformers opposed artificial contraception, something not embraced by Protestants until the Anglican Communion's Lamberth Conference in 1930.

Pro-life activists point out that many forms of “birth control” – including the morning after pill, the IUD, and hormonal birth control pill – may cause a chemical abortion by blocking the implantation of a newly conceived child.


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Robertson please STFU before I lose my religion.
1 posted on 07/31/2013 8:36:12 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Senility is sad to watch. Why do his people let him continue? Can’t he retire?


2 posted on 07/31/2013 8:37:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Morgana

Pope Francis needs to set him straight on this.


3 posted on 07/31/2013 8:40:56 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Senility bump

Why is this man still on the air anyway?


4 posted on 07/31/2013 8:41:14 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Morgana
whiskey tango foxtrot
W T F

5 posted on 07/31/2013 8:41:39 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: All

His son needs to intervene and retire him.


6 posted on 07/31/2013 8:42:27 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, dementia.


7 posted on 07/31/2013 8:43:17 PM PDT by twister881
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To: rbmillerjr; GeronL; Chode; All
Someone needs to intervene!!! foghorn leghorn photo celebrity-pictures-foghorn-leghorn-.jpg
8 posted on 07/31/2013 8:44:33 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Robertsons views are that stronger than your connection to God ?


9 posted on 07/31/2013 8:44:48 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: steve86

Or smack ‘im upside the head with a copy of Humanae Vitae.


10 posted on 07/31/2013 8:45:46 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Ephesians 6:12 becomes more real to me with each news cycle.)
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To: Morgana

No, No, No.

Where would we be without Bluegrass and Dwight Yoakum!


11 posted on 07/31/2013 8:45:49 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Morgana

No, No, No.

Where would we be without Bluegrass and Dwight Yoakum!


12 posted on 07/31/2013 8:45:53 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Morgana

Twenty years ago a TV evangelist was sending 18-wheelers full of food into Appalachia saying wasn’t it a shame that white children had to live like this. The footage of the kids was heartbreaking. So what’s happened to Pat?


13 posted on 07/31/2013 8:48:54 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: al baby; WVNan

Robertson just said Appalachia needed to be eugenics preformed on it. Do you know where “Appalachia” is? Oh wait, that is my state! I wonder how many people from Appalachia ie West Virginians have sent that sorry SOB money they did not have to keep the 700 club on the air just like they did Jim Bakker only for him to tell them they don’t need to be breeding.

Yea I just a tad bit offended or can’t you tell?


14 posted on 07/31/2013 8:49:21 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: GeronL

He makes about as much sense as McCain


15 posted on 07/31/2013 8:50:12 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: elcid1970

They still come in. I know people in my state who are that dirt poor. It is like a third world country. None the less I have seen them give what they don’t have to their church.

I have also seen the 700 club’s compound. Just why in the Hank Hill does that place need armed guards? A lot of wasted money if you ask me.


16 posted on 07/31/2013 8:52:43 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Ignore him.


17 posted on 07/31/2013 8:53:44 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Morgana
pretty much...
18 posted on 07/31/2013 8:54:05 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Morgana

Pat, shut up!


19 posted on 07/31/2013 8:55:34 PM PDT by MNDude (The system worked!)
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To: Morgana

People say senile dementia. I think not.

Anyone who ever paid the slightest attention to this whack job’s ranting over the years know it’s par for the course. He has ALWAYS had his own religion and it has little to do with Christianity. It has everything to do with making him wealthy.


20 posted on 07/31/2013 8:55:47 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Morgana
Ragamuffins? Is that word still being used.

Ragamuffin

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21 posted on 07/31/2013 8:57:24 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: laplata

Laplata I have pretty much ignored his stupid a$$ for the last two decades. It bothers me that most protestants will actually listen to him. It also bothers me that Planned Parenthood will run with this, not that Margaret Sanger was behind it in the first place.


22 posted on 07/31/2013 8:57:47 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

I’ve heard that sometimes a poor person might be happier than some rich people, so I wonder what he’d think about those.


23 posted on 07/31/2013 9:02:12 PM PDT by MNDude (The system worked!)
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To: SkyDancer

That is another thing that offends me. He called Appalachian kids “ragamuffins”. Would he dare call that to the African kids he feeds? Would he say “send them birth control because they are just “ragamuffins” and have no right to be alive? (basically this is what he said of Appalachian children).

btw cool tagline dude.


24 posted on 07/31/2013 9:04:24 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Speaking of needing to be eugenics-ized, would someone please put the following line to its much needed rest:
“Robertson just said Appalachia needed to be eugenics preformed on it.”

That line is something I would have expected from a Maimi-Dade County Pooblik Skrewl Collective graduate, - er, make that ‘teechur’.


25 posted on 07/31/2013 9:07:55 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: Morgana

700 Club started as a good idea, you know, reach the drunk or drug addict or homeless person and had some good assisting personalities as well. This is plain silly and offensive. I think the Good Lord may well deal with someone saying things like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_1988 Ran for Prez. Actually carried 4 states.

The wikipedia article says Robertson helped found the organization we always see with Jay Sekulow, ACLJ, American Center for Law and Justice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson

ACLJ I think does good Christian work, sometimes pro-life work. http://aclj.org/

So this story is disappointing to say the least.


26 posted on 07/31/2013 9:08:16 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: GladesGuru

Glades I am soooooooooooooooo upset right now I can’t type. So please overlook any sentence structure flaws I might do. My head is about to explode.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 9:11:54 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: steve86

Pope Francis has no power over Robertson. A Protestant.


28 posted on 07/31/2013 9:12:29 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Republican1795.

Thanks for letting us know that.


29 posted on 07/31/2013 9:13:42 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Morgana

Robertson will not be making many friends in Appalachia now.


30 posted on 07/31/2013 9:13:43 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Norm Lenhart
He has ALWAYS had his own religion and it has little to do with Christianity. It has everything to do with making him wealthy.

Aye...

31 posted on 07/31/2013 9:15:46 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Morgana
btw cool tagline dude.

Thankee but make that dude-ette. D:)

32 posted on 07/31/2013 9:16:08 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Morgana

33 posted on 07/31/2013 9:19:50 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: SkyDancer

My dad used to call me a ragamuffin when I was little. He’s from Pat Robertson’s era. It’s a great word. Think I’ll start using it. :)


34 posted on 07/31/2013 9:20:18 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: steve86

Yep, and unfortunately, Pat stuck his foot in his mouth probably talking about whom are mostly Protestants as to Appalachia. Sad.


35 posted on 07/31/2013 9:27:53 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Morgana

Well, it’s true that the troglodytes crouching in their burrows down in benighted Appalachia have never heard tell of this super-science of the future known as birth control. Sure.

“Robertson said that “birth control in the Protestant churches has always been permitted,” because they “feel that the care and rearing of children is a tremendous obligation.”

It’s funny how that good looking host just nods and smiles at his gibberish in that video. I wonder what the Amish and old order Mennonites think about his historical proclamation?

Freegards


36 posted on 07/31/2013 9:29:09 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Morgana

Some of my best friends are ‘ragamuffins’.

In fact, as a ‘ragamuffins’ myself, I resemble that remark!!!


37 posted on 07/31/2013 9:31:57 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: SkyDancer

Hey - that looked like my mom !


38 posted on 07/31/2013 9:36:13 PM PDT by 11th_VA (It's all about culture, not color)
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To: Morgana
VIRGINIA BEACH, VA, July 31, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Two days after saying he found nothing sinful about sex-change operations

Genesis 1:27

televangelist Pat Robertson said contraception is “a very important part of humanity” that would prevent the birth of too many Appalachian “ragamuffins.” He also said that Natural Family Planning violated the provisions of the Old Testament.

The typical explanation for this mitzvah is that by creating a period of seperation, the only way a husband and wife can interact would be through conversation and hence it would build up the marriage. This mitzvah has been superceded by Ephesians 5:25.

When Robertson's co-host, Wendy Griffith, said not all families could afford to have multiple children, Robertson replied, “That's the big problem, especially in Appalachia. They don't know about birth control. They just keep having babies.”

I suppose since we are going to start citing Torah, we should also cite Talmud, Yevamot 6:6. OTOH, if we are to reject Talmud, Gen 1:28

Robertson said that “birth control in the Protestant churches has always been permitted,” because they “feel that the care and rearing of children is a tremendous obligation.”

Chapter and Verse on where feelings determine doctrine.

However, the 83-year-old host had negative words for the Natural Family Planning method. “Our good friends in the Catholic Church forbid the use of birth control but they allow people to use what's called 'rhythm,'” he said at the beginning of his answer. “If you read the Old Testament they were forbidden to have sex while women were having their menstrual period, and the Catholic Church is telling women to do just that, and it's OK.”

I take it he holds I hope he believes that a woman should wash herself in a mikvah.

The Bible discouraged men from having sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual cycle – or touching her – in Leviticus 15:19-33, a provision taken up by Judaism and Islam.

I would like to know his position on Lev 15:25-28 is. And the provision on touching women during her mentrual cycle is found here. If we are going to bring the Talmud in, I would his opinion on shomer negiah.

However, Robertson went on to tell another writer later in the segment that eating pork, which is banned in Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:8, is not a sin. “Where do people get all these things?” he asked. “This is ridiculous.”

I also wonder what his opinion is on eating cheeseburgers. These appear to be prohibited by Ex. 23:19; Ex. 34:26; Deut. 14:21. I am unable to find a translation that gives a reason, for example cleanliness. If the reason were cleanliness, eating cheeseburgers would be valid vis-a-vis Acts 10.
39 posted on 07/31/2013 9:36:50 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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Robertson said that “birth control in the Protestant churches has always been permitted,”

Well, since 1932, at least.

Before then? Never.

40 posted on 07/31/2013 9:40:15 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Morgana

Get this loon off the TV. PLEASE!

His family must hate him to allow this to continue.


41 posted on 07/31/2013 9:42:22 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Morgana

I was really depressed several weeks ago and was watching TV upstairs in my bed. Came across the 700 club as that was about the only decent thing on after watching Idiocracy which come to find out is really a documentary on the here and now.

I’ve seen snippets of the 700 Club here and there before, but was pretty impressed with the stories they were talking about. Homosexual marriage. Israel. One story was of a Christian Iranian American woman whose husband/father of her children is being held in Iran. He was over there doing humanitarian work and they accused him of proselytizing.

Anyway, Pat Robertson is a little toony, but he’s fun to listen to on some things. Maybe he’s always been somewhat toony and maybe it’s getting worse with age. I don’t know. He’s at the end of his life, and I’m sure his ministry has done some very good things over the years. Other than the Muslims where so many are so fascist and violent with their beliefs, I don’t get too bent, normally, about what other people think and believe.

Not sure why Pat decided to single out the Appalachians, though. I can think of a big illegal demographic that’s doing a lot more sucking on the system. I’d rather very few have to get welfare, but if I had to choose, I’d choose the citizens over the non.


42 posted on 07/31/2013 9:48:17 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Morgana

I’m genuinely curious: what is terribly offensive with what he said?

He might have been clumsy with his words, but I don’t understand the outrage.

If you can’t feed a family, you shouldn’t make a family.


43 posted on 07/31/2013 9:50:55 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: Morgana

What’s happening to Pat Robertson?


44 posted on 07/31/2013 9:51:47 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: Morgana

My husband and I were laughing today, I don’t know how it came up, about how Pat Robertson had told a woman caller to get used to it, men cheat it’s natural. Or some such nonsense.

We’re Catholic, I’ll have to share with my husband the part about Catholics being told to have sex during that time of the month. That will crack him up. And sicken him. Both at the same time.


45 posted on 07/31/2013 9:58:17 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Morgana

He’s gone full retard.


46 posted on 07/31/2013 9:59:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: freerepublicchat

I agree with you.


47 posted on 07/31/2013 10:02:27 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: freerepublicchat

What I found offensive was the reliance on shomer niddah in Judaism. If he wants to bring Jewish Law into Christianity, he better start reading Talmud. There are a number of mitzvot that you really need Rabbinic help before holding.


48 posted on 07/31/2013 10:04:53 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: Morgana

Eating pork IS a sin. Then Paul came around and altered the eternal Word of God which is meant to be ETERNAL and unchanging in any way shape or form.


49 posted on 07/31/2013 10:05:14 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: ronnietherocket3

I suppose I should mention that I don’t find the laws of niddah to be offensive. It is the blind reference to them that I believe he engaged in that I find troubling.


50 posted on 07/31/2013 10:07:09 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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