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Advice needed on personal protection handgun
08-01-2013 | Circlecity

Posted on 08/01/2013 7:57:08 AM PDT by circlecity

Looking for advice on which pistol to buy. After my first child was born 30 years ago I sold my pistol so as not to have it around the house. Now I am an empty nester and would like to get back into having a few handguns. After so many years I consider myself a newbie so all advice on which handgun to purchase is appreciated.

For my first gun I would like a 9mm autoloader. I intend to use it primarily for shooting at the range and for personal carry. Eventually I will also purchase a revolver to use as my primary carry weapon - but for now I'm looking at an automatic. I'm looking to spend between $450-600.


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1 posted on 08/01/2013 7:57:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
Looking for advice on which pistol to buy.

Too bad you picked a topic that will only get one opinion and very few responses. < /sarc>

2 posted on 08/01/2013 7:59:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: circlecity

Get a nice throw away


3 posted on 08/01/2013 8:00:33 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: circlecity
and for personal carry

You should expand on this. Will it be in a purse, tucked inside your waistband under a belt?

4 posted on 08/01/2013 8:00:54 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: circlecity
Stoeger Cougar 9mm. Originally a Beretta design. Beretta transferred all the production machinery to their Stoeger subsidiary to make under the Stoeger name.

Cheap good first gun. Very reliable. Rotating bolt mechanism makes it a soft shooter. Grip is very comfortable.

Whatever you do, stay away from the newest generation of Glocks. They have reliability issues.

5 posted on 08/01/2013 8:01:04 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: circlecity

Can’t go wrong with a Glock sub-compact (G26, I think).


6 posted on 08/01/2013 8:01:33 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: circlecity

Dibs on the popcorn concession!


7 posted on 08/01/2013 8:02:40 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: circlecity

Ruger SR9


8 posted on 08/01/2013 8:04:54 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: circlecity
Haven't used a pistol in 30 years? Going semi-auto? Step One. Get one of these. Use it. Every day:
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9 posted on 08/01/2013 8:05:38 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: circlecity

Go to a range that rents handguns.
Try all that look possible.

Start small caliber.


10 posted on 08/01/2013 8:07:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: circlecity
Can't go wrong with a Walther!


11 posted on 08/01/2013 8:07:20 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: circlecity

My advice would be to before you even go shop for your ccw, find a range that rents handguns of the type your interested in and try them out on their range. Spend the time and a little $$ on ammo to try atleast a few out, you may be surprised at what you decide on..................After all, have you ever bought a car without test driving it first?

Just my 2 cent. v/r V_TWIN


12 posted on 08/01/2013 8:07:49 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: circlecity

Personally I would recommend you find a shooting range which rents pistols and has a wide selection of options. Then try out a variety of guns and see what suits you. I find handgun selection to be a very individual thing. People have very different tastes in grips and overall feel.

One thing I would note to be careful about is making sure you have a nice trigger on the gun. A good trigger is really crucial to accuracy. Even if you do go for a less expensive option, make sure it can get a trigger job which will get it up to snuff. (some triggers really can’t be improved much)

My personal preference are Sig Sauers, but I suspect those are a bit past your price range.


13 posted on 08/01/2013 8:07:53 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: circlecity
Like recommending dentists and lawyers, the people here who are not sarcastic will tell you their is the best. If you want good advice go to a gun blog .
14 posted on 08/01/2013 8:08:00 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: circlecity

Best suggestion is to visit a range and rent some that fit your hand and shoots well.
I was SURE I wanted a Sig till I did this...1hr later I bought a Kimber 1911.


15 posted on 08/01/2013 8:08:55 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: circlecity

Check out hickok45 on Youtube


16 posted on 08/01/2013 8:09:57 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: PowderMonkey
"Get one of these. Use it. Every day"

I train with weights four times a week and am a powerlifter. I don't think that will be a problem.

17 posted on 08/01/2013 8:10:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

I, too am in the age of life where I am concerned about my protection. Recently I went to a gun safety course conducted by a friend and saw a bunch of different types of small fire arms. There was a smallish revolver with no hammer to get hung up in a purse. But at the range it was calibrated with a too hard to pull trigger setting so I didn’t take to it though I know I can have it adjusted. I tried a Kimber with a hair trigger and loved it. Also for a female-type, the recoil is something to consider.
Good luck!


18 posted on 08/01/2013 8:11:29 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Thane_Banquo
Stoeger Cougar 9mm

Second that. Never a blip.

19 posted on 08/01/2013 8:14:51 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: circlecity

For the price range you are talking about you could get a Springfield XD, a Glock, or a Smith Wesson M&P. All of these are well built, reliable guns with a strong fan base. Some gun stores have ranges where you can shoot a couple different guns and see what you like best. If it was me I might go with the M&P


20 posted on 08/01/2013 8:14:55 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: circlecity

CZ P-09 for 20 round capacity or if you want something you could eventually carry the CZ 75. Both are 9 mm semi autos.


21 posted on 08/01/2013 8:15:49 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: circlecity

$600 does not buy as much as it used to. For $400 you can probably pick up a Ruger P95. I saw a couple on gunbroker.com. For $600 you may be able to acquire a Springfield Armory XDM in 9MM. We have the XDM in .40. A great weapon. Also a P85 9MM.


22 posted on 08/01/2013 8:17:08 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: circlecity
9mm autoloader recommendations: Wow. That's going to generate as much controversy as which car or truck to buy; blondes vs. brunettes vs. redheads; Nikon vs. Canon; etc.

It's largely a matter of personal preference and comfort. I recommend that you find a gunshop / range in your area that will allow you to test several different models and manufacturers before you buy. Perhaps the accumulated experience here will enable you to narrow your test selections to five or six.

23 posted on 08/01/2013 8:18:21 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: saganite

CZ-75 Compact: all steel, soaks up recoil. Hard to find.


24 posted on 08/01/2013 8:21:08 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: saganite; circlecity
CZ P-09 for 20 round capacity

Glock 9mms have a 50 rd. drum. It looks cool on a pistol.

25 posted on 08/01/2013 8:21:40 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: circlecity

As I always say go SIG Sauer P229 in Sig .357. It makes a helluva crack at the range, looks mean as hell, and packs a fine enough punch for personal protection.


26 posted on 08/01/2013 8:25:44 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.g)
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To: PowderMonkey

>> Get one of these. Use it. Every day:

OK. What goes in that hole at the top of it?


27 posted on 08/01/2013 8:29:09 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: circlecity
The best advice has already been given - go to a range and try a bunch of them out. I taught a lady to shoot who was dead-set on a compact Kahr (I let her try mine) until she picked up a Browning Hi-Power and found she could shoot body parts of a gnat at 50 feet with it. No explanation, she simply fit the gun.

There are a whole lot of very find semis in your price range. Ones that I have actually shot that I like: the Kahr PM-9 mentioned above, Glock 17 and 19 (I own a 19), Springfield XD (I think it was an XD-S?), Ruger SR-9, baby Bro's Sig-Sauer (dunno the model), and a Czech CZ-75 that seemed to fit the hand pretty nicely and shot like a dream. There will be LOTS of FReepers with a personal favorite. Good luck!

28 posted on 08/01/2013 8:29:18 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: circlecity

Weight training is not the same as grip training.


29 posted on 08/01/2013 8:29:58 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: circlecity
___ photo walker_zps0504cae0.jpg__________________________________ With this you use it as a club in close combat after you've emptied the cylinder Walker Colt's
30 posted on 08/01/2013 8:32:08 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: MrB; circlecity
Go to a range that rents handguns.
Try all that look possible.

Throw away preconceived notions of what you'll like and what you won't like.

Try many different models. Find what YOU like; what fits in YOUR hand. Swapping factory grips for aftermarket can make a big difference.

When you find something you like, see if you know anyone who has/had one (here or in the real world); ask about reliability and longevity.

31 posted on 08/01/2013 8:33:22 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: circlecity

Many many guns are solid. Everyone has different hands. If someone tells you toe only go for a single type of gun ignore that advice. No one can tell you what fits your hand the best.

Go to a gun show or store with a good selection. Try the grips of every gun you can. Narrow it down to 2 or 4 that you like. Go research those on the internet and come back and buy. Decide based on that.


32 posted on 08/01/2013 8:33:53 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: circlecity

I like Glocks. Hard to beat a G19 or G23. But for concealed carry, something like a Ruger LC9 or Kahr PM9 is a lot more practical. Have heard some good things about the new Walther PPQ, and the S&W Shield too, so I would check them out.


33 posted on 08/01/2013 8:34:29 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: PowderMonkey

Huh? That is silly.
Many autos don’t require that much grip strength.


34 posted on 08/01/2013 8:34:32 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: atc23

if you want big go with Smith & Wesson’s New .500 Magnum Revolver


35 posted on 08/01/2013 8:34:38 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: circlecity
Keltec PF-9

36 posted on 08/01/2013 8:35:02 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

>> Can’t go wrong with a Glock sub-compact (G26, I think).

We got a G26 for Mrs. Tick. Also the 12 round extended mag. She loves it.

It’s a little too small for my hand though, and with the factory 10 round mag I have a hard time hitting *anything* with it.

I heart my G17, although it’s not readily concealable. More of a range-and-nightstand thing.


37 posted on 08/01/2013 8:35:24 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: reg45
"Weight training is not the same as grip training."

I disagree. Do lots of heavy deadlifts without using straps and your grip strength will quadruple at a minimum. Grip strength is ultimately a function of powerful forearms.

38 posted on 08/01/2013 8:37:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

I don’t know anything about guns nor do I have any...


39 posted on 08/01/2013 8:38:08 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Zathras
I was SURE I wanted a Sig till I did this...1hr later I bought a Kimber 1911.

I liked both, got both. I used to carry the Sig 229 .40 everyday for about 6 years. Wifey got me an XSE LtWt Commander .45 for XMAS. It's my new every day carry. She says the Sig is hers now.

40 posted on 08/01/2013 8:38:41 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Uri’el-2012
Your best choice would be a Glock 26 GEN 4. It is very accurate and the perfect CCW. Get the Pierce grip extension and you have a great concealed 9MM that holds 13 rounds. I own over 50 pistols and this one is my favorite for conceal carry,
41 posted on 08/01/2013 8:38:57 AM PDT by rummy1
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To: Thane_Banquo

>> stay away from the newest generation of Glocks. They have reliability issues.

Gen 4?

What kind of reliability issues? Misfeed? Misfire? Break? What?


42 posted on 08/01/2013 8:39:34 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: saganite

Also, you may want to try some alternative ammunition sizes to 9mm. The 9mm is a good cartridge, but the design is a century old and there have been a lot of good alternatives that have been created since then.


43 posted on 08/01/2013 8:41:08 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Nervous Tick

I have shot over 5000 rounds in my 26 and never had a problem.


44 posted on 08/01/2013 8:42:11 AM PDT by rummy1
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To: circlecity

My standard answer when such general parameters are given is a Glock G19. Hard to beat for a gun that does it all. That said, I don’t own one. I own Glock G23, G22, and G17. I know 9 mm rounds have made great improvements in the last 10-20 years but I still like the idea of that big ole .40 bullet coming out of the barrel with 500 ft lbs of energy behind it.


45 posted on 08/01/2013 8:43:08 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: rummy1
Your best choice would be a Glock 26 GEN 4. It is very accurate and the perfect CCW. Get the Pierce grip extension and you have a great concealed 9MM that holds 13 rounds. I own over 50 pistols and this one is my favorite for conceal carry,

My personal favorite is a .40 S&W G27

46 posted on 08/01/2013 8:44:26 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: circlecity
Some questions off the top of my head:

How big is your hand? Any arthritis or damage to your favored hand/wrist?

How concealable do you want it to be or do you plan on getting something specifically for carry later? Some of those small two finger, easy to conceal pocket guns aren't fun to shoot or practice with.

How accurate does it need to be, as the longer the barrel, generally means greater accuracy, but also heavier and more difficult to conceal.

What action do you prefer? Where do you want the hammer to end up after you have fired a round, cocked with a very short trigger pull to fire the next round or not cocked and with a long trigger pull, more like a revolver?

Speaking of hammers, do you want it to be visible or not, manipulatable with your thumb or not?

How many rounds do you want to carry?

Are you a brand name shopper or do you buy whatever regardless of names? Do you seek lowest price or highest quality?

47 posted on 08/01/2013 8:44:34 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: circlecity

I use a S&W stainless Model 641 .357 magnum with a 2” barrel for carry and a .40 S&W Beretta for home defense. The revolver is great for carry because it’s hammerless and has a smooth body. Remember George Zimmerman. He used a semi-auto for carry and it failed fully to eject the first round, probably because the ejection of the cartridge was blacked by his body or Martin’s . A revolver won’t give you that trouble in a really desperate spot, like the one he was in. OTOH the full size semi-auto is a lot better around home because it carries a lot more rounds and can be readily reloaded just by ejecting the empty magazine and inserting the new one.


48 posted on 08/01/2013 8:46:52 AM PDT by libstripper (A)
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To: Nervous Tick

It’s a crock. There may have been some issues caused by the new two stage recoil springs when they first came out but it was quickly fixed. All 3 of my Glocks are Gen4 and none have had any issues in thousands of rounds.


49 posted on 08/01/2013 8:46:56 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: rummy1; Thane_Banquo

>> I have shot over 5000 rounds in my 26 and never had a problem.

We’ve put lots and lots of rounds through our G17 and G26 — not 5000, but a lot. Never even ONE hiccup with either of them. With every shape and grade of ammo from cheap ‘n dirty to fancy and spendy.

Back when I bought them the dealer mildly warned me away from the Gen 4, which was just coming out, but I don’t remember why. I don’t think it was a reliability issue though. Something minor like the sight picture or something like that.


50 posted on 08/01/2013 8:47:27 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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