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Was Jesus Illiterate? [Muslim] Author Reza Aslan Thinks So
WSJ ^ | 8/1/2013 | Christopher John Farley

Posted on 08/01/2013 11:30:00 AM PDT by mojito

Author Reza Aslan believes that Jesus probably lacked the education to read a book like the Bible. Or the Torah, or any other written text for that matter, no matter the language.

Aslan’s new book “Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth” is a revisionist take on the life of Jesus, arguing that his message of love was aimed more at a Jewish audience than a global one, that his attitude toward violence was “far more complex” than is generally thought, and that he was “very likely” illiterate.

All of these claims appear to be directly contradicted by passages in the New Testament, but Aslan argues those lines are mistaken, misinterpreted, or deliberately misleading.

Aslan, the author of the bestselling book “No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam,” was born in Iran and grew up a Muslim before converting to Christianity and then returning to Islam.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Religion
KEYWORDS: antichristian; fakescholar; fakescholarship; liberalbigot; muslim; proislamist; religion; revisionisthistory; rezaaslan; rop; thezealot
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What stupid people will say just to get attention.

While the Koran states that Mohammed was illiterate (and hence unable to read the Bible that the Koran repeatedly parodies), the New Testament shows Jesus reading (Luke), and shows that He was a scholar of Jewish law, which He presumably gained by reading (but of course, being God, He was the source of the Law, and hence it all gets complicated.) Let's just say that God could read, since He invented books, reading, language, the Bible....

This Aslan fellow is a the real idiot.

1 posted on 08/01/2013 11:30:00 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

Wait until Reza explains to the muslims that Mohammed didn’t really fly on horseback through the skies.


2 posted on 08/01/2013 11:32:26 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: mojito

Luke 4:16-21
16 - And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17 - And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 - The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 - To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 - And he closed the book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 - And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.


3 posted on 08/01/2013 11:34:23 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: mojito

What idiots these anti-Christian writers are.

Jesus was reciting Torah in the synagogue as a youth...
(and he even impressed the Jerusalem Temple priests)

and he quoted numerous Hebrew Bible precepts and teachings, indeed he was steeped in them....and he taught from them throughout his brief ministry

Jesus was anything but illiterate (and it would be a silly charge to levy against him anyway, given all that he taught and all that he represents)

(and he even wrote something, we know not exactly what) in the sand...


4 posted on 08/01/2013 11:34:52 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: mojito
Is he kidding? The Son of God? Illiterate? Seriously?

Introduction to the Messages

5 posted on 08/01/2013 11:36:29 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: mojito

Remember that part of the New Testament where Joseph and Mary lose track of young child ( Jesus ), and they finally find him in the temple where he’s impressing the Rabbis with his knowledge of the Torah...?


6 posted on 08/01/2013 11:37:00 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: mojito
I'd like to see someone in the media this self proclaimed "expert" in all things religious about Mohammed, and his opinion as to whether he was just a failed military man who ran and hid until he hatched his plan to claim he was some kind of prophet.

Until he speaks, in detail, about his position on all things Islam, he is just another propagandist, ala Joseph Goebbels.

7 posted on 08/01/2013 11:38:19 AM PDT by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: GBA

That’s precisely what the Koran denies that Jesus is, repeatedly. (Well, Jesus certainly isn’t the son of “Allah”, to be pedantic.)


8 posted on 08/01/2013 11:38:57 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: faithhopecharity

I’m always liked the theory that he wrote the names of the women that the men with the rocks had had adulterous relations with.


9 posted on 08/01/2013 11:39:06 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: airborne

All of Islam is like this.


10 posted on 08/01/2013 11:39:51 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Cyropaedia

Who could ever forget it?


11 posted on 08/01/2013 11:40:27 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Cyropaedia

Unlike Mo’, who had a big steaming pile of koran squoze out of him by an ‘angel’


12 posted on 08/01/2013 11:40:53 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Cyropaedia

The Fifth Joyful Mystery. Jesus was twelve.


13 posted on 08/01/2013 11:41:01 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: mojito

14 posted on 08/01/2013 11:41:51 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Olog-hai
If that's the case, then I think Rushdie had the title of his book right.

Those definitely are Satanic Verses.

(Boy howdy, are they ever in for a surprise!)

15 posted on 08/01/2013 11:42:06 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: Mercat

that would do it


16 posted on 08/01/2013 11:42:41 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: mojito

He surely wasn’t a documented pedophile.


17 posted on 08/01/2013 11:44:45 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: mojito

Muslims place a high value on illiteracy, also on subhumanity.


18 posted on 08/01/2013 11:48:47 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: mojito
Jesus was illiterate

Yeah, I can so imagine Rachel Jeantel giving the Sermon on the Mount.

19 posted on 08/01/2013 11:49:22 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: mojito

Well at least He wasn’t a pedophile like Mohammad.


20 posted on 08/01/2013 11:50:31 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: GBA

Is he kidding? The Son of God? Illiterate? Seriously?

They must be talking about the son of the moon god.


21 posted on 08/01/2013 11:50:35 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mojito

Our Lord was very familiar with scripture during the time of his ministry.

In fact, even as a child his knowledge of scripture was exceptional.


22 posted on 08/01/2013 11:51:14 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: mojito

I’ve read the book, and its thesis has relevance to the current struggle between jihadist Islam and the West. The thesis is that Jesus was a zealot (small “z” to distinguish him from Josephus’s 4th philosophy) who advocated violent overthrow of political Rome and religious Temple Authorities; he was crucified for sedition.

This thesis is a reply to Pope Benedict XVI’s Regensberg Address, who argued that violence in the name of religion is irrational. Alsan, in essence, shouts back: “Hey, you Christians, how dare you criticize Islam for its origin and tradition of Violence, when your Messiah did the same?”


23 posted on 08/01/2013 11:51:27 AM PDT by Remole
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To: mojito
No, Jesus was not illiterate.
John 8:3-11
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery; and making her stand before all of them, 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of committing adultery. 5 Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They said this to test him, so that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once again he bent down and wrote on the ground.[a] 9 When they heard it, they went away, one by one, beginning with the elders; and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus straightened up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, sir.”[b] And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go your way, and from now on do not sin again.”]][c]

24 posted on 08/01/2013 11:51:36 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: mojito

Interesting that a professor of CREATIVE WRITING, would know so much about Christ.


25 posted on 08/01/2013 11:51:49 AM PDT by struggle
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To: mojito

More po-mo deconstructionism. And just as vapid as the rest of it.


26 posted on 08/01/2013 11:53:45 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: mojito
OK, fine. Aslan is an atheist and does not believe the Bible. Well, to be more precise, he apparently is a worshiper of Satan since he claims to worship the strange god of Mohammad who encouraged his 'prophet' to kill, rape, lie, and to promise sexual and culinary fantasies to his most devoted disciples (who would earn their way into their 'Playboy Mansion promised land' by butchering anyone who disagreed with Mo).

So he rejects evidence and does not believe. Take a number.
I'm just mystified about his alleged story of converting from islam to Christianity and then back again. To convert from islam to Christianity is in many cases a death sentence. Why would anyone attempt such a thing unless they were absolutely sure? Seems like a bizarre tall tale to me.

27 posted on 08/01/2013 11:55:43 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: mojito
Reza Aslan

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

What a fool!!

28 posted on 08/01/2013 11:56:51 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: mojito

This coming from a man who faked his credentials.


29 posted on 08/01/2013 12:03:55 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: mojito

Never mind that Jesus read in the temples.

It’s kind of hard to be illiterate when you are God, after all.


30 posted on 08/01/2013 12:04:56 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: mojito

Seems to me as a kid he was teaching in the temple. And he makes reference to “it is written” several times. Educated rabbis are not unusual. Plus he surrounded himself with small businessmen, so my guess is they were not the town idiots.


31 posted on 08/01/2013 12:05:51 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: mojito

Those who are historically illiterate might believe this idiot. Especially if they see themselves as oh-so-smart because they listen to NPR.


32 posted on 08/01/2013 12:12:20 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: mojito

Was mohammed the mentally deficient son of a pig f’n dog? I believe he was. Piss be upon him.


33 posted on 08/01/2013 12:15:37 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: montag813

“Yeah, I can so imagine Rachel Jeantel giving the Sermon on the Mount.”

More likely the “sermon on the blunt.”


34 posted on 08/01/2013 12:16:40 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: mojito

I know one thing Jesus will not be reading. This guys name in the Book of Life.


35 posted on 08/01/2013 12:22:03 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: mojito

The libs are also now furious with Shannon Bream at Fox for interviewing this author. Notice he’s labeld as a Muslim “scholar” while Shannon is a lowly reporter.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2013/07/fox-news-rushing-defend-its-reza-aslan-interview/67842/


36 posted on 08/01/2013 12:27:11 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Cyropaedia

They called Jesus Rabbi—that means teacher. He knew his Torah and knew it well. As the firsst born son he would have been well educated and so were his half brothers James and Jude (or they may have been his brothers from another union—depending on your religion). This joker doesn’t know his facts. Being the son of God maybe he was given the power to read by God—Hey—Mohammed didn’t have education but—according to the Koran—Allah gave him the gift of reading and writing! If he could do it for old Mo—he would do it for Prophet/Son Jesus?


37 posted on 08/01/2013 12:34:42 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: mojito
The illiterate, uneducated, poor peasant from the backwoods of Galilee, who in the name of the poor and the dispossessed and the outcast, took on the religious and political powers of his time

Joseph possessed the royal bloodline of David, and Mary possessed the bloodline of Aaron, so Jesus was eligible to be a priest-king. It is highly unlikely that he was illiterate and uneducated.

38 posted on 08/01/2013 12:49:04 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: mojito

JESUS will deal with this soul directly... this muslim will stand before GOD for his evil.

LLS


39 posted on 08/01/2013 12:52:41 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: glorgau
Yes, I'm afraid so.

I don't think any Muslim disbelieves that Mohamed took a child bride.

They seem rather proud of it, in fact.

40 posted on 08/01/2013 12:54:28 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Mr. K

Your verbiage gave me a chuckle.


41 posted on 08/01/2013 12:56:16 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: mojito

42 posted on 08/01/2013 12:58:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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A TV Cleric in Pakistan was giving away babies for Ramadan.... baby GIRLS....

I think we know what that is about.


43 posted on 08/01/2013 12:59:02 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: mjp

Poor? The Magi Gold came in quite handy. Joseph was a carpenter. “Illiterate and Uneducated”. He’s God. If you built a time machine and tried to save Him from the Cross He would tell you in English by your name to go back. If He didn’t do it Himself. He also must have spoken several languages. Latin to Pilate. Hebrew to the Jews. Aramaic to the Gentiles.


44 posted on 08/01/2013 1:05:58 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Remole

This is what Muslims will never understand: that a revolution of the spirit is something utterly and completely different than forced conversion by the sword.

That Muslims can’t see the difference shows one of the big problems with Islam.


45 posted on 08/01/2013 1:06:35 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito

Nope, He’s God. Next..


46 posted on 08/01/2013 1:07:36 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Texas Conservative Christian *born again believer in Jesus Christ* Black Man!)
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To: Olog-hai
The prophet Amos was a "sheep-breeder" who is credited with writing the book that's come down to us, and Jesus's near comtemporaries the sage Hillel was a woodcutter and Hillel's adversary Shammai was a builder.

Even Paul (Saul of Tarsus), whose learning had made him mad, according to the Roman governor, was a tent-maker.

James (Jacob), the brother/half-brother/cousin or what have you of Jesus, raised in the same milieu, was a respected leader in the Jewish Jerusalem community, where literacy would have been a must.

So it is Aslan, not the Gospels, that is ahistorical when he asserts that Jesus was likely illiterate by the mere fact of his profession. And I have never seen that asserted by any other Biblical scholar, whatever view held on Jesus's divinity.

There would be no controversy about this book if people were better educated about history. Interviews such as this are the blind leading the blind (if the blind person were a liberal!)
47 posted on 08/01/2013 1:23:27 PM PDT by kenavi (Debunk THIS!)
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To: mojito
I'll play “Devil's Advocate“ on this one.

Being “illiterate” is not the same as being stupid as many here are interpreting.

Given that at the beginning of our country(as well as through recorded time) most people were in deed, illiterate/

Were they stupid people? No, of course not.

Even great Nobility were illiterate because it was unnecessary for them to learn this rare skill.

In the days before the Gutenberg press made books inexpensive, it not uncommon for people to memorize whole wealth of knowledge that we today are too lazy to do so because it is easier to just writ things down or get a book.

It's called Oral History and it would have a common thing in biblical times to sit around a fireplace and listen to older folk recite all matter of subjects.

Mind you I'm not arguing Jesus are stupid but His ability to recite passage doesn;t necessarily mean he was able to read.

48 posted on 08/01/2013 1:30:08 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: mojito

The Bible says Jesus read from the Torah in the synagogue. Besides, He was fully God. Of course he could read.


49 posted on 08/01/2013 1:30:40 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Vermont Lt
Educated rabbis are not unusual.

IIRC the title "Rabbi" means "teacher".

And literacy was rather wide spread in Judaism if only because it was the duty of all adult males to read in the synagogue.

50 posted on 08/01/2013 1:33:18 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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