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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 31 AUGUST 2, 2013
Free Republic | 8/2/2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 08/02/2013 2:00:43 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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It has been very muggy today at our little Missouri acre. We had some good rains this week as well-fortunate, because I haven't had time to water or tend the garden much.

I am quite behind with canning and preserving the produce this week. I have at least 5 batches of stuff waiting right now. I had hoped to make inroads this morning, but have been on the phone dealing with my volunteer work all day.

So I am taking a break, from household chores, baby sitting, and volunteer stuff to relax and visit about our gardens.

I hope all of you are doing well. Have a great weekend, and God Bless.

1 posted on 08/02/2013 2:00:43 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

Darn, I just posted on the old thread..


2 posted on 08/02/2013 2:02:27 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: greeneyes

Good afternoon.


3 posted on 08/02/2013 2:03:11 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the list.


4 posted on 08/02/2013 2:03:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: sockmonkey

LOL. Sorry to be late posting. Why don’t you copy your post over to here?


5 posted on 08/02/2013 2:04:39 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Muggy...yes. And at least one BIG Thunderstaorm a Day here.


6 posted on 08/02/2013 2:05:19 PM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s a great afternoon! How goes it with you?


7 posted on 08/02/2013 2:05:24 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
So I am taking a break, from household chores, baby sitting, and volunteer stuff to relax and visit about our gardens.

I am taking a break, too...I will be babysitting an orphan kitten this week..It's eyes just opened two days ago.. I think it will mostly sleep..

8 posted on 08/02/2013 2:06:41 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: left that other site

The rain has made our plants grow like crazy. Hubby checked out my garden for me and found a huge cuke that was not there 2 days ago.


9 posted on 08/02/2013 2:07:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: sockmonkey

I don’t even want to think about all the stuff I’ll be trying to get done. The first and last weeks of the month are always busy, but this time of the year they are even worse.

Then there’s the harvesting and preserving this time of the year too.


10 posted on 08/02/2013 2:10:05 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

We had an excellent stalk of Beautiful Bananas, one day, and they were gone the next. I think the landscapers took em.


11 posted on 08/02/2013 2:10:37 PM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: greeneyes

I have a bushel of kale, chard, and spinach from my daughter’s garden to freeze this afternoon. I’m going to wash with cold water, blanch in boiling water, and seal in freezer bags.

Anyone have a better suggestion?

I live in an apartment now :( Trying to grow tomatoes in pots outdoors. Plenty of sunshine. But fighting bottom rot...put in some dolomite yesterday, hard to gauge the right amount, since directions on the box are for larger areas. I applied dolomite to just one pot/plant yesterday, a purple cherokee. The other two, different varieties, seem not to need it.

Any comments appreciated. Thanks.


12 posted on 08/02/2013 2:14:05 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: greeneyes

Has anyone had any experience with rose rosette virus?

I am not certain but my red knockout roses have suddenly started having small and deformed blooms. I wondered if it could be that or something else.

I would welcome any advice...I sure don’t want to take up all 7 bushes. They were so beautiful up until 2 weeks ago when I first started to notice.


13 posted on 08/02/2013 2:20:22 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: greeneyes

Oh, it’s overcast and overgrown around here. Plus I’m trying to plan a 100th birthday celebration for my mom 2500 miles away. And I’ve just learned that thieves and squatters have broken into her house and done (I don’t know how much) damage. All because I’m confined, nursing my surgical knee, which is doing much better, thank you.

I’m probably the only one in te USA who is praying for frost and snow so that I can get a handle on my garden. Thanks for asking.


14 posted on 08/02/2013 2:28:17 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Veto!
I'm getting peppers by the basket full and tomatoes are turning red in twos and threes. Sounds like time for SALSA ! I thank my lucky stars to have known that great Mexican chief, Rojo Rodriguez...
15 posted on 08/02/2013 2:35:25 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: left that other site

What is it with thievery these days?


16 posted on 08/02/2013 2:38:34 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I know. It’s lousy.

My neighbor and i were watching our bananas so closely, waiting for exactly the right moment...and now they are gone.


17 posted on 08/02/2013 2:45:47 PM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: Veto!

Greens are usually frozen or canned in a pressure cooker. Blanch for about 2 minutes then cool, and drain. Leave headspace in the container.

I use the Ball Blue Book of preserving as the authoritative source on food preservation.

There are products for blossom end rot that are foliar spray that people say works.

I usually put a piece of banana peel and crushed egg shells in the transplanting hole, and cover with some dirt before transplanting or planting the tomato seeds, and have never had to deal with a calcium deficiency.


18 posted on 08/02/2013 2:54:42 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Irenic

I haven’t had any experience with these. I have very few ornamentals. Those that I have need to survive with out attention.

If they don’t, I replace them with some more likely to survive. I save my time for the vegetable garden and fruit trees.


19 posted on 08/02/2013 2:57:13 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ahhh Well, when it rains it pours. Had similar problems with my Dad’s property after he had a stroke.

Wish you well on your recovery. My Dad died at the age of 84 in 2008. I still miss him a lot.


20 posted on 08/02/2013 3:00:06 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Thanks, greeneyes. I don’t have a pressure cooker (can we say that here?) so have to forge ahead with pot I do have.

WE looked at the foliar spray last year, but decided it had too many chemicals. We’re attempting to grow organic. So your banana peel and egg shell solution will work wonderfully for us next year. Thanks.

Only the Purple Cherokee has calcium problems. Thought it would be easier to grow than the Black Krim I attempted last year, and which had bottom rot too. But purple tomatoes in general have been very difficult in pots for me. Oh dear, the ones I like best. More eggshells for those, apparently.


21 posted on 08/02/2013 3:03:31 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: Irenic
Has anyone had any experience with rose rosette virus?

Yes.

Immediately clear out whatever plants are affected--make sure that rose rosette is what you have and not problems due to excess rain. DO NOT compost what you clear, but burn or throw away. Rose rosette is distinct looking, with usually reddish foliage. Look online.
22 posted on 08/02/2013 3:04:02 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: left that other site

We had 15 big green mortgage lifter tomatoes on 1 plant that we were watching daily for any sign of a blush. They all disappeared overnight.

We found one little ping pong size leftover down in the brush where the bunnies like to run away to when we come around.

So far they have not been tempted by anything in the traps. Hubby said he thinks he needs to start keep trying after the harvest and during the winter when they will have less to steal.


23 posted on 08/02/2013 3:05:23 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Veto!
Only the Purple Cherokee has calcium problems.

Easy to fix! Place a calcium citrate tablet (I use the pills I take) in the ground near the plant so that as it dissolves, calcium will make its way down to the roots. Some people use Tums for the same purpose.
24 posted on 08/02/2013 3:07:51 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: greeneyes

Hot pepper mustard and hot pepper relish batches canned and being peddled by my neighbor at the mill in which he works! Ohio cottage food laws suck, so I use this method. I’d love to sell it at our farmer’s market though. Tomatoes are turning in twos and threes, and the Cherokee Purples are both lovely and super tasty. Garlic is harvested and ready for thier roots to be clipped, then braided and tied up somewhere. Same with onions. Busy busy, but completely worth it! I think I’ll make salsa tomorrow.


25 posted on 08/02/2013 3:07:57 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Veto!

Blood meal for nitrogen, and bone meal for phosphorus if your compost/soil isn’t sufficient for those IIRC.


26 posted on 08/02/2013 3:09:48 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
What is it with thievery these days?

Here in Red Hampshire; the worst garden pest of all are New Yorkers...

27 posted on 08/02/2013 3:12:05 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: goodwithagun

Yep. I have to make some salsa this weekend too. After an excruciatingly long period without homegrown tomatoes, we finally have more than we can even eat sliced or on salads.


28 posted on 08/02/2013 3:12:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Last Saturday around midnight, in a combination of boredom, insomnia, and curiosity, I ordered 2 seed varieties from the government seed bank. I was expecting to spend the next 3 months doing paperwork to justify why they should send them to me. . . . . Much to my surprise, the seeds arrived yesterday! Only 10 seeds of each, though, so it’ll take a few years of expansions before I can really play with them.

My grape tomatoes are ripening one at a time. In a week or so they’ll really get going and I’ll be buried in tomatoes. I hope! My slicers are turning a little less green every day, but no ripe ones yet. My paste tomatoes are just now getting their first flower buds. (This is why I think they need some improvement.)

My cucumbers are starting to ripen. I picked the first ones way too early, but I was just happy to finally get some. They were good! They’re the Dragon Egg variety, no bitterness and no spines.

I’ve managed to recover enough from my surgery to be able to get around now. I’ve got a lot of weeds to pull!

We had a watermelon from the store that was just kind of so-so. On a whim I tried a piece still frozen, it was amazingly sweet! Like candy. I might have to do that more often.


29 posted on 08/02/2013 3:15:09 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: greeneyes
I've been meaning to thank whomever it was who mentioned New Zealand Spinach. As was posted, it doesn't bolt and is very tasty. Not as bitter as Bloomsdale or other spinaches. The family really likes it just sauted in some butter and salt and pepper. This is a keeper. Thanks again!

I got the clippers out and cleared out about 30 feet of fence where the neighbor's bushes were growing over. Pulled up all the old corn that didn't do and threw out some seed hoping it'll maybe make with a little cooler weather into the fall but before the first freeze. I vow to baby this bunch and hand pollinate it and put a drop of oil on it, etc. It had bees every morning on the old crop and I shook them every day but that didn't do the job. If this doesn't work, I have a wee bit more seeds for next Spring but ABSOLUTELY NO MORE.

And squash is NO MORE. Every one is getting that moldy virus on it and bugs and no amount of spraying or dusting or squishing does any good. Need to order some of that long squash with the weird name.

A friend and I were at a farmers’ market and she bought some okra. I didn't because I'm determined to get mine producing. This 3rd planting is about 2” tall and the 3 plants that survived the armadillos are about 6” tall.

Speaking of the armadillos, they went through the herb garden last night so that's the end of that 3rd round of seeds. Guess next Spring I'll have to invest in some more chicken wire for the herb bed and to finish off by the okra.

Can't keep up with the weeds so may have to get a machete or carry a flag with me for when I get trapped in. Never had such a mess. About the time I get undepressed with some disaster Mother Nature brings down, she blasts another round.

We're in a weather alert with 3 digit temperature and no rain in sight. A couple days ago it was 110 at a reporting station not far from here. Last night, the evening news reported that we moved up to the next level of drought, that area lakes are at 1/3 full and that some towns are at stage 3 water restrictions. On the bright side, it's not as bad as a couple summers ago.

30 posted on 08/02/2013 3:18:58 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: who knows what evil?

I’ve heard it called “fingerblight”. Thorny plants are somewhat resistant, but nothing is completely immune. On another forum I used to belong to, someone had a yard full of rhubarb cleared out overnight!


31 posted on 08/02/2013 3:21:09 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: greeneyes

I had an entire crop from two Persimmon trees stolen a few years ago, probably 150 apple size fruit, some about 10ft up.

Glad to hear you had rain. Good to hear that you have enough to can. We eat all that comes out of our tiny garden.

We have not had any rain in about 10 days or so here. We are still getting tomatos and hot peppers. We have about 20 green maters still. I can’t believe that we are still picking maters this late. Usually the end of June is about it for us.


32 posted on 08/02/2013 3:23:43 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Tagline: It's gone again.)
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To: greeneyes; All

Can we cut back our non producing tomato plants to a few inches and have them become a fall crop? We have never had a fall crop of anything. It just gets too hot to garden for us, but picking maters, that’s another thing, we could do that.


33 posted on 08/02/2013 3:28:12 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Tagline: It's gone again.)
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To: Ellendra

I have several pepper plants ‘strategically’ positioned...Bhut Jolokia, Bhut Jolokia Peach, Trinidad Scorpion Moruga, and so forth. It will be easy to track potential thieves by the sounds of their screaming...


34 posted on 08/02/2013 3:30:45 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Ellendra

Most store bought watermelons have thin skins but if it has a thick skin make pickled watermelon rinds. Ooooh, good stuff!

Ack, now that you’re on the government’s seed list, you’ll be one of the first targeted when it hits the fan!!! Stock up on camo shade cloths.


35 posted on 08/02/2013 3:31:49 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Ellendra
grape tomatoes are ripening one at a time. In a week or so they’ll really get going

Huge geographical difference between you and Kalifornia's low desert....I plant our sets by mid-September, and the harvest is usually about done by Super Bowl Sunday (easy to remember, as the neighbor always begs a bunch for her party salsa).

36 posted on 08/02/2013 3:35:30 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Carlos Danger for mayor....NYC deserves him)
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To: rightly_dividing

Yes, unless you have determinate varieties. I wouldn’t bother cutting the indeterminate ones back unless they’re out of control and then only give them a trim where needed. Keep them watered and about mid-Sept. they’ll likely start producing for you again. You can try rooting the trimmings in a container to bring inside when the weather gets too cold.

The afternoon before your first real freeze, you’ll need to rush out and gather every last one. Lay them on trays inside and let them ripen on their own. That will extend your eatin’ a couple more weeks. Fry up some fried green tomatoes!


37 posted on 08/02/2013 3:41:10 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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Ack, now that you’re on the government’s seed list, you’ll be one of the first targeted when it hits the fan!!! Stock up on camo shade cloths.

I figure I'm already on so many government lists, what's one more? And at least with this one, I get free seeds. I didn't get anything from them for the other ones :p
38 posted on 08/02/2013 3:46:54 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: greeneyes
I made salsa this morning. Tomatoes still aren't producing like they should. Maybe the fall tomatoes will do better.

The humidity and temp have been stupid high here so I spent 2 days to get my basil dried for the year. Harvesting the last small leaves (1 ft long) of tobacco. It should be done in a few weeks and I can clear that row.

Everything is winding down and soon I'll be on hold for the fall garden. I'll start my fall pinto beans inside on Monday.

I'm tasked with sitting with twin 13 year olds tonight while their family is out. I've picked suitable movies and have my earplugs. Grandma is leaving a box of wine in the fridge for me. ;)

Tomorrow is a party for a dear friend of mine, so the weekend is pretty well booked solid.

/johnny

39 posted on 08/02/2013 3:47:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Fixing to go work in my garden for the day. I’ll take pics and hopefully get them posted before it gets too late tonight. My rice is blooming en masse now! It smells DELICIOUS down there. I’ve probably got between 15 and 20 Rumbo pumpkins set, a couple Long of Naples, some Musquee de Provence and maybe a Futsu. My tomatoes are finally starting to set and my peppers are going crazy too.

I’ve got some freshly cut pineapple in the fridge, some strawberries from earlier in the season in the freezer and a couple habaneros that I’m going to make jam from tomorrow. Yummy.

Some short season BOS’s waiting for transplant on Sunday and finally got my fall corn mulched most of the way yesterday. I’ve been dragging around this year because of a hurt foot. Blargh.

Short season fall bush green beans to be planted next week. I’ll probably let the last making of those go to seed for next year.


40 posted on 08/02/2013 3:53:50 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes

Hi all! I got some squash plants that have many flowers but no fruit. It’s been decent weather and they are huge. Any thoughts?


41 posted on 08/02/2013 3:55:58 PM PDT by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: Ellendra

Ok. I have to ask. You ordered seeds from GRIN(If that’s the name and I remember properly)?

What did you list as ‘organization’?

Tell me more tell me more tell me more...They’ve got a lot of rice seeds I’d like to experiment with!


42 posted on 08/02/2013 3:58:10 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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“We had 15 big green mortgage lifter tomatoes on 1 plant that we were watching daily for any sign of a blush. They all disappeared overnight. We found one little ping pong size leftover down in the brush where the bunnies like to run away to when we come around.”

The pellets I got to keep squirrels out, work for bunnies. If a squirrel/bunny got 15 tomatoes, I would wring their necks while I was crying for my tomatoes.

I've decided not to do those pellets myself since my son is coming for a couple of days in August. I'll let him do it because it is over 100 degrees every day now.

Yesterday, went to fine dentist and offending tooth is out and today I can't even tell he took it out - no pain at all from his taking it out. I never get tense going to him or when he is working on a tooth. He is also tall and a very handsome blond, but is still a fine dentist even though “pretty”.

I have never had a tooth hurt like this one did for days - while I was there yesterday, the tech told me one elderly lady had such a bad toothache, she put GASOLINE in her mouth. She had to be senile to do that. Gasoline can get in a lung very easily and you die of poisoned lung pneumonia so to speak. It's dangerous for men to suck up gasoline in a hose to get it to flow, but some do it anyway. Men are not the brightest of people when it comes to their survival - they take too many chances.

Okay, so Johnny is a man - he takes too many chances, too.

43 posted on 08/02/2013 3:59:42 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: raybbr

If you haven’t seen any pollinators you might have to play squash pimp.

It involves getting up early in the morning though. Be warned.

If you haven’t seen any female blooms (they look like baby squashes with a flower on the end) be patient, they’ll show up sooner or later.


44 posted on 08/02/2013 3:59:47 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes

Thank you for your reply in a previous thread about spinach. Here is a question about green beans - why do some of them get dark spots while others do not? They were all planted at the same time in the same place. Some got spots while still really small. Others grew very large with no spots at all. Thanks for any insight, and have a great weekend


45 posted on 08/02/2013 4:08:31 PM PDT by a.c.t.32
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To: greeneyes

Mighty big bunnies...that hop8 feet to the banana bunch! LOL.

And they carry machetes.


46 posted on 08/02/2013 4:19:25 PM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: greeneyes

We went through July with out a trace of rain which would be no big deal except we had a very dry spring. Our strawberry plants continue to weaken due to some crud but the Diva Cucumbers are coming on strong and corn perhaps in 2 weeks.


47 posted on 08/02/2013 4:38:52 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: Marcella
No risk, no gain. Fortune favors the bold. &ct...

/johnny

48 posted on 08/02/2013 4:41:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Black Agnes

I put “none” for the organization. And for my intended use I wrote “Investigating the growing properties and tolerances of these plants in various soil and weather conditions. Researching and developing new varieties of popping beans. Testing possible commercial applications.”

Both the seeds I ordered are popbeans, one is a chickpea and the other is a kidney bean. I also have the popbean (chickpea type) that I ordered from a breeder in Oregon. That plant breeder is the same person who wrote the plant-breeding book I’ve been studying, and I came across a chapter where she mentioned that she had actually found several varieties of chickpea that popped. Most were too small to be worth selling, but of the 2 that were big enough, only one would grow reliably in her climate. The other one needed a warmer growing season.

That last part was what caught my eye, because most chickpeas need a cooler growing season. So, I’m going to experiment some with both varieties and see which one grows better in Wisconsin. Maybe I can breed one that will grow through the summer?

The popping kidney bean is a nuna, a South/Central American variety that I’ve read about, but last I’d heard wasn’t available in the US because of some legal dust-up. I was very surprised to find it through GRIN, so I had to grab some while it was there.

I thought about ordering a bunch of other seeds, but I figured I’d better start small, just in case it turned out to be more hassle than it was worth. After I get my house built I might order more, there are too many things to play with there :)


49 posted on 08/02/2013 4:54:04 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: who knows what evil?

LOL. You have my sympathy.


50 posted on 08/02/2013 4:57:03 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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