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Dutch Prostitutes hit by economic crisis
National Turk ^ | 01 August, 2013

Posted on 08/04/2013 2:13:52 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows

Amsterdam’s famous  red-light district under threat, economic crisis on the one hand and lawmakers are proposing changes to the sex-for-hire industry following a recognition in the freewheeling Netherlands

The economic crisis is forcing prostitutes to lower their prices and to accept dubious sexual practices, according to sector organisation Geisha.

‘The trend is apparent in the main cities, with some prostitutes unable to pay the rent on their rooms’, Ilonka Stakelborough from Geisha told Algemeen Dagblad.

Until recently, the minimum price was €50, but this has now dropped as low as €20 in cities such as Amsterdam and The Hague.

Geisha is to set up a project for sex workers so they can form a co-operative. Geisha will rent a room which prostitutes only pay rent for when they are actually working.

Amsterdam Red-Light District:Holland Debates Sex Trade

This city’s famed red-light district looks much as it has for years, with bikini-clad women behind plate-glass windows fluffing their hair or beckoning to passersby, colorful beds visible in the background as an unspoken invitation.

But things could soon change for the sex-for-hire industry following a recognition in the freewheeling Netherlands that its decision in 2000 to legalize brothels has failed to stem human trafficking.

“For something as simple as the lust for sex, we are tolerating modern-day slavery,” said Myrthe Hilkens, a Labor Party legislator who supports a series of moves to tighten the rules on prostitution. “I think that cannot be.”

The proposals are far-reaching. Most contested is a bill to require all prostitutes be registered with the government—a measure that has already been approved by the lower house but is struggling in the Senate.

Also in the works: raising the minimum age to 21 from 18, and a requirement that escort services be licensed, just as brothels currently are.

A vote is expected before the summer recess on July 9.

Meanwhile, the city government in Amsterdam on Wednesday is expected to approve tougher rules, including ordering brothels to close in the early-morning hours and requiring that prostitutes speak Dutch, English, German or Spanish, to make it harder to exploit them.

These ideas reflect a consensus that regulating prostitution hasn’t deterred human trafficking, which has increased since the opening of the former Soviet bloc in the 1980s.

“A huge concern is that a lot of criminal organizations send their prostitutes to the Netherlands,” said Ard van der Steur, a legislator from the center-right Liberal Party, which rules in a coalition with the left-leaning Labor Party. “Leaving everything the way it is fuels a grave concern that we are not doing what we should to prevent human trafficking.”

A similar debate is under way in Germany, which followed the Netherlands in liberalizing prostitution in 2002.

But critics say such restrictions will hurt sex workers, not those who exploit them. “You do not have to fight sex work, you have to fight trafficking,” said Ilonka Stakelborough, a former prostitute who now runs a Dutch advocacy group called Geisha.

Under the proposed registry, Holland’s roughly 20,000 prostitutes would have to meet with government officials and show they are not being coerced in order to get a registration card.

Critics call that a violation of the privacy of prostitutes, who may want to hide their current profession from future employers. A prostitute working involuntarily, often facing threats to her family, they add, can hardly be expected to tell a government official the truth.

“You put a coerced woman in front of a civil servant, and she will say whatever she has to say,” said Flavia Dzodan, an Amsterdam-based journalist who blogs on women’s issues.

The Senate will soon vote on whether to remove the registry from the bill. Underlying the debate is the broader question of whether prostitution can truly be “cleaned up.” The city’s red-light district, which expanded in the 17th century when Amsterdam was a leading port city, remains one of Europe’s big tourist attractions., with a Sex Museum, an elaborate condom shop and the smell of marijuana wafting from the many “coffee shops” authorized to sell it.

The city for several years has been trying to reshape the neighborhood, buying up brothels it considers dangerous, like those in dimly-lighted corners, and turning them into cafes or shops.

City officials say they have managed to cut the number of prostitutes’ windows in the red-light district from 500 to 409 in about five years, and want to ultimately bring it down to 300.

“We try not to address these problems from the moral point of view,” Eberhard van der Laan, Amsterdam’s mayor, said. “We say there is abuse and we want to fight it.”

The prostitution issue erupted in February, when Ms. Hilkens and another lawmaker, Gert-Jan Segers, made a highly publicized visit to Sweden, which outlaws buying sexual services but not selling them. Ms. Hilkens and Mr. Segers discussed this different approach from Holland’s in Dutch television studios.

No one expects the Netherlands to criminalize sex-for-hire soon, though Mr. Segers, of the Christian Union Party, believes it should. “It’s immoral when a man with power and money is buying the body of a woman,” he said. Dutch officials note prostitution is widely practiced even in countries that ban it. (In the U.S., prostitution is illegal except in parts of Nevada.)

“It’s unlikely to disappear anywhere on earth,” said Willem Witteveen, a Labor Party legislator. “You should bring it into the open and see if you can prevent excesses.”


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SFW pix at source.

TL;DR: Looks like the "victimless crime" has a few victims after all.

1 posted on 08/04/2013 2:13:52 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; ...


2 posted on 08/04/2013 2:15:36 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

No “tips” for the prostitutes?


3 posted on 08/04/2013 2:15:48 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
No “tips” for the prostitutes?

Not unless you get a slumming mohel.

4 posted on 08/04/2013 2:18:51 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I think I will reserve comment


5 posted on 08/04/2013 2:19:22 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Cowboy Bob

Well perhaps....if the customer has Hansen’s disease.


6 posted on 08/04/2013 2:29:41 AM PDT by nvscanman
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To: Slings and Arrows

Well since women are hooking up without pay the prostitutes have that to compete with also.


7 posted on 08/04/2013 2:30:04 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: Slings and Arrows

Things are HARD all over.

You know things are tough when the price of a Hooker drops from $50 to $20. They need to unionize or something.

So, how much is air fare, and when do we leave? ;-)


8 posted on 08/04/2013 2:30:37 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Maybe the pros should just procure boyfriends and give it away to them for free, like the rest of womandom.


9 posted on 08/04/2013 2:31:58 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: RginTN

Adam Smith always has the last laugh.


10 posted on 08/04/2013 2:32:32 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Maybe the pros should just procure boyfriends and give it away to them for free, like the rest of womandom.

Ummm...so, how about this weather we're having?

11 posted on 08/04/2013 2:33:45 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Why go to Amsterdam when DC is so much closer?


12 posted on 08/04/2013 2:34:32 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Believe me, you pay for it. You always pay.


13 posted on 08/04/2013 2:43:14 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Slings and Arrows
dubious sexual practices

Unfortunately not defined.

14 posted on 08/04/2013 3:26:19 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Slings and Arrows
"Ilonka Stakelborough, a former prostitute who now runs a Dutch advocacy group called Geisha."

Since I know you're all dying to see what Ilonka looks like:

She's the one on the left, as you might imagine.

15 posted on 08/04/2013 3:30:06 AM PDT by DemforBush (Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia!)
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To: DemforBush

The phrase “rode hard and put away wet” pops to mind.


16 posted on 08/04/2013 3:33:04 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I’m sure that OSHA would be happy to to draft some regulations.


17 posted on 08/04/2013 3:35:30 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

What a great time for a congressional fact finding trip. Hillary should go too so she can strengthen her financial and economic acumen


18 posted on 08/04/2013 3:50:43 AM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Well it’s not really a victimless activity... it hurts the people involved and they hurt other people etc.


19 posted on 08/04/2013 3:55:06 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
a legislator from the center-right Liberal Party

I see the problem right there. Sounds like the GOP-e.

20 posted on 08/04/2013 4:43:29 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Some folks still try to rob McDonald's or Burger King too. The fact that its cheap doesn't mean the customers would rather not pay.

Of course, there is something very German about the government registering prostitutes.

"Your papers please..."

21 posted on 08/04/2013 4:49:07 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It is dehumanization. You are using your body like a piece of toilet paper. It destroys dignity of the person and reduces them to animal and removes morality from sexual acts.

It is the slippery slope....like with all vice-—you can not have “Justice” (Virtue) when you embrace Vice in your “Justice” system. It is why homosexual “marriage” is an oxymoron and unjust law and defies Reason which is necessary for Just Law.

You can switch the “worldview” of children when they live in toxic cultures where Vice is enshrined in Laws (legal). Vice is normalized. Without Virtue, cultures can not be free.

The first thing Cultural Marxists do to get control is to destroy Virtue in children (control schools and sexualize them before maturity) and promote pornography in the “culture”. Sex is the easiest method to corrupt and destroy people and all long-term productive relationships and the family. Without the family, children will not survive in a healthy way.


22 posted on 08/04/2013 4:57:44 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

It’s sad and reflects a loss of wisdom.


23 posted on 08/04/2013 5:00:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: savagesusie

bump


24 posted on 08/04/2013 5:00:58 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: savagesusie

But at least I give God credit for being and doing what He is, too. God is not content to stop with a mere morality. God loves sacrificially. God therefore can and will forgive anyone who wants to get right with Him.


25 posted on 08/04/2013 5:02:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I’m sure that OSHA would be happy to to draft some regulations.

I'll be right *er* on it! Just as soon as Queens Day rolls around.

Most of the year the meat behind the glass ranges from bow-wow to wow with most of them in the MEH category.

*But* (You knew there was a *but*) come Queens Day they bring out the prime, grade AAAAAA+++++ meat. Not a dog in the bunch. As my tongue was dragging the streets of Amsterdam I was trying out phrases in my head like;

"Hi Dear, Look what followed me home! Can I keep it?"

"Hi Dear, It's good to be home. This is Bambi. She will be living with us."

"Hello Dear, You've been wanting some help around the house, have I got a gift for you!"

Trust me, It would be *almost* worth the beating.

26 posted on 08/04/2013 5:05:26 AM PDT by OSHA (One despises and wants to destroy the United States, the other is a dead terrorist.)
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To: savagesusie

[[[[Dutch officials note prostitution is widely practiced even in countries that ban it. (In the U.S., prostitution is illegal except in parts of Nevada.)]]]]

Classic fallacious libertarian thinking. An illegal activity happens, therefore it should be legalized. Prostitution does take place in the United States, but not next door to me. It does not take place in most suburban neighborhoods (at least overtly) next to kids and wives and anyone else who would be hurt.

Because it is illegal, thank God.


27 posted on 08/04/2013 5:34:26 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Slings and Arrows

It’s tough to clean up a business like prostitution. The nature of the business defies it being so.


28 posted on 08/04/2013 5:42:37 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free; Slings and Arrows
regulating prostitution hasn’t deterred human trafficking

Anyone see a parallel between this and banning guns?

They need to unionize or something.

Maybe liberals could establish "fair trade" for sex workers.

29 posted on 08/04/2013 6:12:36 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: Sherman Logan

dubious sexual practices

Guy: Did we just have sex?

Gal: I was wondering the same thing.

Guy: I’m confused.


30 posted on 08/04/2013 6:24:11 AM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
“We try not to address these problems from the moral point of view,” Eberhard van der Laan, Amsterdam’s mayor, said.

Of course not. To address anything from a moral point of view, you would first have to HAVE a moral point of view--and modern Europe lost that a long time back.

31 posted on 08/04/2013 6:28:32 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: gitmo

What? No Demodummies traveling to Holland these days? Probably due to the “sequester” and all.


32 posted on 08/04/2013 6:29:17 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Sherman Logan

Willie Jay Clinton will be right on it, I’m sure, since he was so certain about what he DID NOT do with that woman...


33 posted on 08/04/2013 6:38:02 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Hardastarboard
Maybe liberals could establish "fair trade" for sex workers.

Several years ago there was a story about a German woman on unemployment, who was denied benefits because she refused to take a job as a "sex worker".

Found it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html

34 posted on 08/04/2013 7:17:11 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Slings and Arrows

€50? That’s serious inflation from just a decade ago. Something is askew here.

With the open European borders, the professional prostitute class in the Netherlands came under attack by mostly eastern European sex-trafficked women, who worked as illegal prostitutes. At the time the going rate was around €20 for licensed, prostitute-union prostitutes.

€50 (for 10 minutes) was more like the price for ‘concierge’ prostitutes, also not legal, and not in the red light district.

The bottom line is that unlike Germany, where prostitution is very carefully regulated, the Netherlands are so laid back that problems could develop. Left to just the Dutch, neither the prostitution or drugs was a problem; but waves of immigrants quickly took to abusing the system.


35 posted on 08/04/2013 7:34:57 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Economy Hard on Prostitutes </NY Post headline>


36 posted on 08/04/2013 9:10:38 AM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: OSHA

Knew I could count on you.


37 posted on 08/04/2013 10:56:12 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: heye2monn
Classic fallacious libertarian thinking.

Why make theft and murder illegal? Can't legislate morality.

38 posted on 08/04/2013 10:57:42 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

i guess the phrase “this job sucks.” has a new meaning. and i thought prostitutes forming a cooperative meant a threesome.


39 posted on 08/04/2013 10:58:31 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: Rummyfan
It’s tough to clean up a business like prostitution. The nature of the business defies it being so.

With all those windmills in Holland, the Dutch must've gotten a lot of practice tilting at them.

40 posted on 08/04/2013 10:59:10 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: madprof98

I’d say that they were terminally confused, but then their medical system might euthanize them.


41 posted on 08/04/2013 11:00:42 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Left to just the Dutch, neither the prostitution or drugs was a problem; but waves of immigrants quickly took to abusing the system.

Wow, that almost sounds like a country that I'm familiar with.

42 posted on 08/04/2013 11:02:32 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows; a fool in paradise
SAVE THE HOOKERS!


43 posted on 08/04/2013 11:02:55 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

The system was fine until they got customers?


44 posted on 08/04/2013 11:03:10 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: null and void

G-d bless the NY Post.


45 posted on 08/04/2013 11:03:46 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: OrangeHoof; yefragetuwrabrumuy
Of course, there is something very German about the government registering prostitutes.

IIRC, that's exactly what the Germans do.

46 posted on 08/04/2013 11:04:52 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Artie
What a great time for a congressional fact finding trip. Hillary should go too so she can strengthen her financial and economic acumen

Plus, she has a bigger **** than most Democrats.

47 posted on 08/04/2013 11:06:35 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: GeronL
The system was fine until they got customers?

Kind of like teaching - it's a great job until you bring in the students.

48 posted on 08/04/2013 11:08:32 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

No, I don’t think I would have sex with her if I’m only gonna get paid 20 Euros; probably not even if she paid me 50...

Wut? I’m supposed pay her? Seriesly?


49 posted on 08/04/2013 12:27:25 PM PDT by L,TOWM (No one in the US is free of the spirit of entitlement)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Plus, she has a bigger **** than most Democrats.


Most of the GOP politicians have none at all...


50 posted on 08/04/2013 1:17:12 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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