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Posted on 08/06/2013 7:09:05 AM PDT by arthurus
Autopsies will be performed Tuesday on two young boys who were strangled in their sleep by a python that escaped from a pet store in Canada and slithered through a ventilation system into an upstairs apartment.
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The new Pit Bulls.
Somebody needs to be sued into oblivion....
Double bind? How likely is that?
Very suspicious. The snake kills one boy and then moves on to the next one?
What’s suspicious to me is that these boys play with the owner’s boy and that the owner’s boy was in a different room. It’s also suspicious that the owner attracts lots of young kids with his “zoo”. Based on what I’ve read, the mother of the dead boys doesn’t have a male presence in her home, and the owner of the snake has no female presence in his home. (In short, the reports doesn’t mention the father of the boys or the mother of the owner’s son.)
It’s suspicious to me that the snake smashed a hole in the ceiling and dropped down to attack the boys. It’s suspicious that the snake got out of its cage. It’s suspicious that it went through a ventilation system and then got out of that ventilation system.
This article says that one of the police said something like it’s “very, very unusual.”
Plus, the picture of the guy looks creepy.
So, while last night I was defending the idea that the snake would kill and not eat (I still think that’s within reason), I think there are other things about this case that stink.
Guess the owner didn't feed them enough...although, snakes are snakes, aren't they?
A specialist at the Montreal Zoo has said this is unheard of behavior for a python or other constrictor snake. Supposedly, if threatened, they will bite rather than constrict. They constrict only if they are attacking prey as possible food, which he thought extremely unlikely. I’m not saying the snake didn’t do it, only that as you say, there are some odd circumstances here.
Did the thing slither up the wall in the shop to get to the ventilation ducts?
Hey, it may turn out that the snake did kill the two boys, but it will be the first known case of a snake of that size killing two victims of that size, and then just going to hide. Especially after 'punching a hole' in the ceiling.
Hopefully, the autopsy is looking for signs of sexual abuse.
However, there’s always the possibility that the owner just wanted to see what would happen. More likely, though, if this is dirty, it means that he was silencing the boys for some reason. Sexual predation would be the most likely reason.
So come on down to Pythons-R-Us, conveniently located just two kilometres north of the Pat Boutette Rink, right next to Gord’s House of Poutine and The Touque Shack. Call, 555-SNAKE.
I hate snakes.
We had a 5 foot long Yellow Rat snake that would catch and coil two mice while he caught his 3rd. He would then eat them. Not saying that this snake killed two at once, but it is possible.
See this post from the other thread:
If I’d remembered your handle, I’d have pinged you, too.
Also, Salamander posted this on the other thread: (all that follows is his post)
From another forum
Here is something interesting that was posted up on cornsnakes.com. The store owners name is John-Claude Savoie....
Accused of sexual assault with a weapon, sexual assault, assault with a weapon, assault, uttering threats, and pointing a firearm
Could be a coincidence, however.
Yeah, theres probably dozens of guys named Jean-Claude Savoie in that town.
Also the store was formerly a zoo but lost its accreditation due to poor husbandry, the neighbors had a petition going to shut it down [again, poor husbandry] and the snake was illegal due to size regulations.
I’m sure this is a coincidence but this comes right before a vote is to be held for yet another draconian chunk of legislature.
Yuppers! In light of the additional info, I'm going to up the ante and say I'm thinking the snake (the one with scales) didn't do it .... waiting for those autopsy results.
Yep. This is now a different story.
I don’t buy this story one bit. A Python is not going to attack a sleeping boy unless he plans to eat him. And two sleeping boys? I don’t think so. Those kids were murdered, and an autopsy should show it was done by hands or rope, not a snake. I doubt that a pet store would even have a Python large enough to attack a boy.
When I was a boy I used to handle pet store Pythons and Boas, even let them curl around my neck.
Here’s a link to Salamander’s screen capture of the Mountie web page:
It says “female victim”, but it doesn’t give age. That doesn’t mean there can’t be a variety of tastes in one criminal.
The article says it was a big snake that had been in the shop for 10 years. A long python can raise up in the air quite a distance. If the herpetarium was, say, five feet below the ceiling the snake could have reached a vent. In another comment there is a suggestion that the boys should be checked for strangulation marks with a rope pattern.
Sure, with the intention of eating them. If those kids have snake bites from the python then the story makes more sense. The autopsy will tell the story. It is extremely unlikely that snake killed those two boys.
I agree just because the victim was a different sex I wouldn’t rule him out.
Little boys and girls at that age are very similiar built...
As I said on another thread: If a snake weighing 100 pounds comes crashing through the ceiling in the middle of the night, it would make enough noise to wake up everyone in the apartment. That being the case, wouldn't the two boys in the room call out for help? Wouldn't at least one of them have escaped from the snake? Wouldn't any adults in the apartment enter the room to see what was going on? The autopsies should show whether or not the boys sustained internal injuries that would be caused as a result of being crushed by a 100 pound snake. This just doesn't add up.
So this is a 15 footlong snake that escaped downstairs.
How long had it been missing??? When did he last check on it??? When did he last feed it??? How long would it take a snake to travel that distance and why would it go to that location???
Something here is definitely amiss that may require more than just an autopsy.
Guess we’ll have to wait for the autopsy.:-)
via National Geographic report which highlights
" Savoie told Global News that he made the horrific discovery when he went to check on the children in the morning.
"My body is in shock. I don't know what to think," he said. "I thought they were sleeping until I [saw] the hole in the ceiling. I turned the lights on and I [saw] this horrific scene."
FWIW, Savoie = The pet store owner, Jean-Claude Savoie. Why would a python poke a hole in the ceiling?
Poking a hole in the ceiling is really strange to me. So is getting in the ventilation system of the house, and then using that ventilation system to get from the first floor to the second floor and then over the boys room. Then it gets out of the system somehow, and then it pokes a hole in the ceiling.
Just for fairness, I'll include keepers of larger or known dangerous mammals and birds so they can be offended too.
Unlike an innocent gun,a dangerous animal can do great harm on its own initiative. In the case of this Canadian tragedy,I hold the adults fully responsible for the deaths of these two children.The mother is culpable for voluntarily keeping her children in a place of known danger. The snake owner is guilty of harboring a very dangerous animal with inadequate safeguards.And that is if the snake isn't being "framed" for a murder committed by their owner.
Somebody needs to be sued into oblivion....
Let’s start with all purveyors of dangerous exotic animals and their customers,in that order.Pretty good chance you’ll find some other oddities like drug abuse as well.
One possible “glitch” on “our Jean Claude.”
The criminal Jean Claude is from “Shippagan” New Brunswick and I see no direct connection with the pet shop owner in Campbellton.
I don’t know what Canadian demographics are so I don’t know if this is a big differnce or not....
There it is. There had to have been a lot of noise to wake the store owner and his son if things when as has been reported. Hard to believe that neither boy was yelling when the ceiling fell in or when the snake crawled up in bed with them. How the heck did the snake get into the vent in the first place. My vents have small half inch slits which is far too small for much of anything larger than a spider to get through. Then he would have to get out of the vent system and onto the ceiling. I can see it if the snake was in the walls and made it to the ceiling which, if made of tiles, fell in with his weight landing on the boys but add the vent and no sound to the equation, then no possible way. Something else happened to those boys and the snake is the patsy.
I don’t believe this story....and to complicate matters,with some people’s irrational hatred of snakes, they’ll think it’s totally believable.
As for how the snake got out of its cage, thats another story. Is it known for sure that this is supposedly what happened? Is it possible that the cage itself had an air return or supply located right in it?
Snake kills the boys of the mom but not the son of the father? Don’t believe it.
In complete agreement.
Here is, (I hope) a link I posted on a diff thread, with very interesting interview with the owner.
May God keep watch.
Totally random... perhaps the two brothers were sleeping so close together that they both got strangled at the same time. Not known is how long the snake was in the room.
Not buying it sorry. Snake’s a convenient scapegoat here.
Its very, very puzzling: Snake expert mystified by New Brunswick python attack
Pythons seeking food always bite first before constricting their prey with their coils, said Johan Marais, raising the question of how the snake killed the brothers without anyone hearing screams in the apartment where they were having a sleepover.
The snake was in the room. It appears the snake might well have killed the boys.
The question in my mind is whether or not it was intentionally placed in the room because of:
1) silencing the boys due to some sexual or other crime perpetrated against them.
2) morbid, murderous cruelty
Interview with the owner. He says the snake was not near the boys, and it is unclear, to me at least, exactly where he found the snake : /
Pray for a very thorough investigation ya’ll.
And even if the the snake did make a large noise in the night, this was a sleepover, children that age can be expected to make a helluva lot of noise throughout the night, playing pranks on one another.
Still I am open to the “killer pedophile” argument if the facts follows it.
I was just listening to the Police news conference online, and the police spokesperson said the snake was found in the same bedroom as the boys.
Another site said the snake has been “put down”, but I can’t find confirmation of that, and I didn’t hear that in the news conference.
The police say they are looking at other explanations.
In a sleepover with friends, why are they in separate rooms? That seemed odd to me.
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