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No Apologies for the Bomb: History easily justifies what was done in Hiroshima & Nagasaki
American Thinker ^ | 08/06/2013 | Roger D. Luchs

Posted on 08/06/2013 7:48:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 08/06/2013 7:48:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Without using the bomb, Japan would just be another Iraq and Afghanistan.


2 posted on 08/06/2013 7:51:32 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

For sure.
Just finished Gen Curtis LeMay’s book about the B-29s.
Highly recommended.


3 posted on 08/06/2013 7:51:56 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: SeekAndFind
My grandfather survived the kamikaze attack on the Bunker Hill during Okinawa. Hundreds of his shipmates did not. Because of the A-bomb, the Bunker Hill never had to return to combat duty for the invasion of the Japanese Home Islands. In other words, he quite possibly could have been killed otherwise.

Screw the peacenik revisionists.

4 posted on 08/06/2013 7:53:10 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: SeekAndFind
but as we know from his past works, facts seem to get in the way of his agenda.

Incorrect - Oliver Stone has never let a mere fact stand in the way of his agenda. He sidesteps them or bulls them over, ignoring them completely.

5 posted on 08/06/2013 7:56:46 AM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: SeekAndFind

You win wars by not only destroying your opponents war machine but also its will to fight. That will to fight is just not in its armies but also it population that backs that machine. Too bad we don’t have any leaders that are willing to take that will from our current enemies but wants to take that will from their own people.


6 posted on 08/06/2013 7:56:59 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

My dad served with Patton’s Third Army. Upon the surrender of the Germans, he was sent back to the US for more training.

Next stop, the INVASION OF JAPAN! He was Not looking forward to it.

When word of the nukes came everyone in his army base were relieved as they knew the war was over and there would be no need for an invasion.

How many US Army personel would have to die in an invasion of Japan to make a Leftist feel good about not using the bombs?


7 posted on 08/06/2013 7:58:06 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
My dad survived a C-46 crash in the CBI and had mostly recovered from burns on his back and neck. Before information on the bomb was known, he had been notified that his services would be required again for the invasion. Fortunately for me, he didn't have to go.
8 posted on 08/06/2013 8:02:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: dirtboy

My dad’s battalion was set to participate in the invasion of Japan. If not for the bomb, he probably would have been killed. Casualties would have been extremely high - on both sides. I doubt that I would be here today.

Yep, the peaceniks can stick it where the sun don’t shine.


9 posted on 08/06/2013 8:03:14 AM PDT by sneakers
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the American way: we were not attempting to militarily defeat Japan, but rather, occupation and overthrow.

I dissent.


10 posted on 08/06/2013 8:04:15 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

RE: Next stop, the INVASION OF JAPAN! He was Not looking forward to it.

It was estimated that 250,000 people died in the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (COMBINED TOLL ).

Question: How may would have died had the war continued?


11 posted on 08/06/2013 8:04:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
If I remember my history correctly, the firebombings of Japanese cities killed more people and did more destruction than the A bombs. I could be wrong, though.

War is hell.

12 posted on 08/06/2013 8:05:11 AM PDT by liege (America 180)
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To: SeekAndFind

I notice Yahoo has made no mention of this event.


13 posted on 08/06/2013 8:06:08 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

My Dad did, too, in the 26th Infantry ‘Yankee’ Division Combat Engineers, thru all of Europe and The Battle of The Bulge, where he was shot by a nazi sniper while rescuing downed American Troops. He was sent back to UK and then to US to recoup.


14 posted on 08/06/2013 8:07:05 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.i)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Any regret can easily be negated this way: Japan picked a fight with the wrong nation. Period.


15 posted on 08/06/2013 8:07:11 AM PDT by doyle
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To: dirtboy

My grandfather was slated to be a forward artillery spotter for the invasion. I am very sure I would not exist without the Bomb.


16 posted on 08/06/2013 8:08:28 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: liege

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

Approximately 16 square miles (41 km2) of the city of Tokyo ALONE were destroyed and some 100,000 people are estimated to have died in the resulting firestorm, more IMMEDIATE deaths than either of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


17 posted on 08/06/2013 8:08:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Before he made the decision to drop the bombs he was handed a note with the expected casualties for an invasion of Japan:

6,000,000 Japanese
2,000,000 American

The decision was good.


18 posted on 08/06/2013 8:08:39 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: liege

100% correct. A LOT more.

Many of the larger bombing raids in Germany also killed more.


19 posted on 08/06/2013 8:09:28 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: buffaloguy

I’d really hate to have been Truman.

It was the Devil’s Alternative either way. You drop the bomb, hundreds of thousands die. You do nothing, Millions die.


20 posted on 08/06/2013 8:10:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Estimates at the time were that Allied troops could suffer a million casualties, if we had to launch a conventional invasion of the Japanese home islands. And untold Japanese also would have died in such an invasion.

The bombings actually saved lives in the long run.


21 posted on 08/06/2013 8:10:57 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

Japan isn’t mad at us, in fact they are a strong ally.


22 posted on 08/06/2013 8:11:04 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, as far as being a Devil’s alternative, you are missing one important point.

They started that war. Truman’s goal was to finish it.


23 posted on 08/06/2013 8:12:52 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

Those bombs saved hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides. The Japanese are at fault, first for starting the war, and second, for not surrendering after the first bomb. The scientists and engineers who built the bombs are heroes. Germany and Japan wouldn’t have hesitated to use atomic bombs, and they would have developed them if the war had gone on many more years.


24 posted on 08/06/2013 8:13:08 AM PDT by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: sneakers
That's the irony - the A-bombs in all likelihood saved millions of lives by ending the need for a Home Island invasion. Conventional bombing would have continued as well and probably killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Some people are just too wedded to their liberal idiocy to think through things rationally.

25 posted on 08/06/2013 8:13:33 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: SeekAndFind

Operations Olympic and Coronet,the invasion of the Japanese Mainland would have cost the lives of Hundreads of thousands of. American Troops and many more. Wounded.

Thank God those bombs were developed at that time and thank Boeing for. building the only plane that could have carried it,the B-29 Superfortress.


26 posted on 08/06/2013 8:15:32 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation." -
Para 81, Constitution on the Church in the Modern World.

27 posted on 08/06/2013 8:19:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification, I hope. (Scratches head.))
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To: dirtboy

My Dad was steaming for the Japanese home islands aboard the carrier Ticonderoga. They were going to use navy personnel as infantry and he had been told he would be carrying a BAR because he was big and strong. If you remember, they expected to take a million casualties in that invasion. I likely am here and alive today BECAUSE they used the bomb. There are NO apologies in order.


28 posted on 08/06/2013 8:20:24 AM PDT by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank God for the Bomb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYko9DsluBE


29 posted on 08/06/2013 8:20:35 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: liege
If I remember my history correctly, the firebombings of Japanese cities killed more people and did more destruction than the A bombs.

Correct. The official Air Force figures were 40 k dead from initial effects. 140k in Tokyo March 6 1945 firebombing. The number of dead in Hiroshima and Nagasaki keep growing. A 97 year old survivor dies of cancer and his death gets added.

30 posted on 08/06/2013 8:21:35 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: RatRipper

I believe we would have had to fight twice in Japan, if not for the Bomb.

The first time to get rid of Tojo and Company.

The second time to stop a Communist takeover of Japan, because it would have been divided, just like Korea.


31 posted on 08/06/2013 8:22:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind
Col. Paul Tibbets lived up the road in Columbus, OH until his death a few years ago. In 1985 he was asked to do an interview with Time. He said, quote, "My crew didn't have the slightest emotional or psychological problem with what we did. If I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to drop that bomb."

Commander Fuchida, who led the Pearl Harbor attack, later converted to Christianity and visited Tibbets. He told Tibbets he did the right thing, and that the Japanese were fanatical and an invasion would have cost millions of lives.

32 posted on 08/06/2013 8:22:25 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And part of Just War doctrine.


33 posted on 08/06/2013 8:22:51 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I interviewed a guy who was a Higgins boat driver in the Pacific in 1945 and was going to be taking troops to the shore of Honshu. He said when word came out on the ship about the bomb, wild cheering broke out, because those men knew they weren’t going to die in an invasion.


34 posted on 08/06/2013 8:23:41 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: SeekAndFind

Having had the honor of meeting the late General Paul Tibbets, the man was a straight-up hero.

Numerous and multiple sources on the Japanese side have indicated that without the atomic weapon, they would not, and possibly could not, have stopped fighting until the country was completely conquered.


35 posted on 08/06/2013 8:24:25 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: LS
RE: Commander Fuchida, who led the Pearl Harbor attack, later converted to Christianity and visited Tibbets. He told Tibbets he did the right thing, and that the Japanese were fanatical and an invasion would have cost millions of lives.


36 posted on 08/06/2013 8:24:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Read a book written by ???David??? McCullough on Truman. According to Truman (I do not purport this to be the exact quote):

“I made the best decision I could at the time with the information I had.”

I think there is no question that he got it right, even though he was a Democrat.


37 posted on 08/06/2013 8:25:10 AM PDT by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: doyle

“Any regret can easily be negated this way: Japan picked a fight with the wrong nation. Period.”

I remember a Sunday dinner conversation many years ago at which my uncle, who fought in the Pacific against the Japanese, was present. One of the women at the table said something like “Wasn’t it terrible that all of those people died in the bombings in Japan?” My uncle replied, “Well, they asked for it.”


38 posted on 08/06/2013 8:25:57 AM PDT by riverdawg
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Having had the honor of meeting the late General Paul Tibbets, the man was a straight-up hero.

GENERAL PAUL TIBBETS

39 posted on 08/06/2013 8:27:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

A nuclear bomb is NOT the end of the world. The bombs SAVED something like 8,000,000 lives. It was a GOOD thing. Remember, we didn’t start that fight, but we sure finished it.

http://www.timepass69.com/start4-s1113/hiroshima-and-nagasaki-today


40 posted on 08/06/2013 8:28:08 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

When they wrote that, the Church fathers failed to interview the priest who was my hs teacher, a US chaplain on the Bataan Death March.


41 posted on 08/06/2013 8:28:29 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: SeekAndFind
Paul Tibbits, who was commander of the Enola Gay that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima to his dying day (at age 92) never had any regrets about his mission. His response was always the point made by many here, dropping the atomic bomb shortened the war with Japan considerably, saving hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides.
Had the privilege of meeting and speaking briefly with Paul Tibbits at a book signing at an air show @ Lunken Field in Cincinnati. Back in the 1930's Tibbits took flying lessons (as a civilian) at this same airport. He later joined the Army Air Corps.
42 posted on 08/06/2013 8:28:31 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: SeekAndFind

Throughout military history, it seems the Romans came up with a foolproof idea:
1. Conquer your opponents.
2. Dissemble the city, stone by stone.
3. Salt the fields arounds the dissembled city.
4. Disperse the conquered survivors throughout the realm.
5. Label it, “Pax Carthagia”.


43 posted on 08/06/2013 8:29:06 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: SeekAndFind

Also good to see Enola Gay fully restored at the Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center.


44 posted on 08/06/2013 8:29:08 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We did what needed to be done at the time. There was little choice.

Stone is clearly just another leftist mental case who can’t handle the truth.

Too bad in just a few short decades, American leadership and government have changed from honorable and respected to dishonorable and disrespected.


45 posted on 08/06/2013 8:33:13 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hulka
Para 81 from Gaudium et Spes is part of Just War Doctrine --- that what you're saying?
46 posted on 08/06/2013 8:33:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

My Dad was in an infantry regiment on V-E Day that was ordered to withdraw 60 km westward to let the Red Army in. His unit was getting ready to ship to the Pacific when the A-bombs were dropped. For that I’m both grateful and here.

IIRC, the second-guessing about Hiroshima/Nagasaki started in 1985 on the fortieth anniversary with floating candles down the river in Hiroshima, and with scolding & finger pointing from Walter Cronkite & other libs.

Not hard to see why. The evil racist warmongering nuclear cowboy Ronald Reagan had just been reelected, and the A-bomb observance was just another way of bullyragging him & anticommunism in general.

But the Hiroshima remembrance has since taken on a life of its own, especially in Japan where it is widely believed that World War Two did not really begin until August 6, 1945.


47 posted on 08/06/2013 8:34:07 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: sneakers
Same thing here. My father was wounded on Okinawa and was in the hospital when the bomb was dropped, but he would have been fit for duty in time for the invasion...in which he would have had a good chance of being killed.

Had there been an invasion, the number of dead Japanese civilians would have been vastly higher than the number who died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the vast numbers of American military men and Japanese military men who would have died.

The only argument against using the bomb would be to show that Japan could have been persuaded to surrender without it, and no one has managed to do that.

48 posted on 08/06/2013 8:34:44 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: nascarnation

The doctrine was not arrived at by interviews.


49 posted on 08/06/2013 8:34:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: doyle

Face this fact.

If Japan had possessed a Nuclear bomb and the ability to use it. They would have dropped it on California, or New York.

They would not have hesitated one minute.

Harry Truman -—one of history’s greatest presidents.(even if he was a Democrat)


50 posted on 08/06/2013 8:35:08 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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