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Was the Real Lone Ranger black?
The Telegraph ^ | 06 Aug 2013

Posted on 08/07/2013 4:31:52 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Bass Reeves's talent for rounding up outlaws in America's Old West made him the stuff of legend. But did this former slave-turned-lawman also inspire Johnny Depp's new film? Alex Hannaford goes on the trail of the real Lone Ranger.

Art Burton listened intently as the old man on the other end of the phone cleared his throat and began telling him a story. Burton had only been researching the life of Bass Reeves for a short while but that afternoon what Reverend Haskell James Shoeboot, the 98-year-old part-Cherokee Indian, was about to tell him would persuade Burton he’d stumbled upon one of the greatest stories never told.

Born in 1838, Bass Reeves was a former slave-turned-lawman who served with the US Marshals Service for 32 years at the turn of the 20th century in part of eastern Oklahoma and western Arkansas known as Indian Territory. Though he was illiterate, Reeves became an expert tracker and detective – a man who, in Burton’s words, “walked in the valley of death every day for 35 years and brought in some of the worst outlaws from that period”.

That afternoon on the phone sometime in the late Eighties, Shoeboot recounted an event he’d witnessed with his own eyes in the early 1900s: Shoeboot had been chauffeur to Deputy US Marshal James Franklin “Bud” Ledbetter and early one morning a posse had gathered at Gibson Station, 12 miles north of the east Oklahoma town of Muskogee, to track and capture an outlaw. By the middle of the day they hadn’t made any progress and Ledbetter was irate. “That’s when somebody suggested heading back into town to get Bass Reeves,” Shoeboot told Burton.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: africanamericans; leo; loneranger; usmarshals



1 posted on 08/07/2013 4:31:52 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He looks like a major badass.


2 posted on 08/07/2013 4:35:11 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: nickcarraway

Slightly off-topic, but this movie BOMBED at the box office. Probably because Disney gave Depp the top billing and stuck an unknown into the lead.


3 posted on 08/07/2013 4:37:21 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: nickcarraway

Yes they were all Black. Daniel Boone, Wyatt Earp, Matt Dillon, The Rifleman, The Cartwrights, the list just goes on and on.


4 posted on 08/07/2013 4:37:51 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: nickcarraway
 photo tontoloneranger-1.jpg
5 posted on 08/07/2013 4:38:43 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: yarddog

You can add Jesus and Santa Clause to that too...


6 posted on 08/07/2013 4:43:58 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: yarddog

It’s worth going to the article, this dude was far more hardcore than many better known western lawmen. If anything, saying he’s the inspiration for a fictional character is a demotion.

He’s more in the mold of D.A. “Jelly” Bryce, and Frank Hamer than dimestore sheriffs.


7 posted on 08/07/2013 4:44:03 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: nickcarraway

Good article, thanks for posting.


8 posted on 08/07/2013 4:44:56 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: yarddog

He doesn't look black to me. lol

9 posted on 08/07/2013 4:45:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Someone is going to say he is Chuck Norris’ great grandfather.


10 posted on 08/07/2013 4:46:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
What a great story. I think it would be great that the Lone Ranger was actually a black man and former slave. It says a lot about a country that is supposed to be so racist and still have an iconic hero that is black.

We, America, went through some difficult times societally that resulted in a growth in racism in the first half to the 20th century. We have come a long way since then. I think this story needs to be told and accepted.

11 posted on 08/07/2013 4:49:14 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: yarddog

Yeah and he rode a horse named Momeback


12 posted on 08/07/2013 4:49:52 PM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: BreezyDog
You can add Jesus and Santa Clause to that too...

I always think of the exchange: "They've already proved that Jesus was an Ethiopian." "Wait a minute. You say he's an Ethiopian, a Presbyterian says he's a Presbyterian..."

And of course, there's always Kwanzaz-bot.

13 posted on 08/07/2013 4:52:20 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: yarddog

We all know Jim West was da pimp on WWW LOL!


14 posted on 08/07/2013 4:52:44 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: yarddog

They were also all muslim.


15 posted on 08/07/2013 4:53:02 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: nickcarraway

Wellll, redo the movie with Will Smith as the Ranger.


16 posted on 08/07/2013 4:54:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I know who he was. They actually have his gun in the Davis gun museum in Claremore Oklahoma. He was the real thing but so were hundreds of other lawmen of the day.

He is not to be spoken of in the same sentence as Frank Hamer who was the greatest lawman in history. No one else was even close. Maybe Jeff Davis Milton could be compared to Hamer but not many could.


17 posted on 08/07/2013 4:55:01 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Calvin Locke

18 posted on 08/07/2013 4:55:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: count-your-change

I think Don Cheadle would be better. Or someone a little more mach than Smith.


19 posted on 08/07/2013 4:56:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Yo, yo, yo Silver.


20 posted on 08/07/2013 4:57:09 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Goodbye America. Glad the majority of my years were spent during the good days.)
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To: nickcarraway

would certainly make a better movie.


21 posted on 08/07/2013 5:01:34 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: nickcarraway

He was fully 6/5th’s black....


22 posted on 08/07/2013 5:02:57 PM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: dirtymac
What a great story. I think it would be great that the Lone Ranger was actually a black man and former slave. It says a lot about a country that is supposed to be so racist and still have an iconic hero that is black.

Loses a little of its appeal when you consider this iconic hero has been portrayed as white for the past 60+ years. But I get your point.

23 posted on 08/07/2013 5:03:29 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: BreezyDog

Jesus was 11/8th’s black. John Kerry is 34/35th’s black and 14/13th’s moron....


24 posted on 08/07/2013 5:04:48 PM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: nickcarraway
Nothing against Reeves, but this is a crock. Someone should learn to write their own stories without infringing on others already successful ones.
25 posted on 08/07/2013 5:07:44 PM PDT by Figment
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To: count-your-change

Wild Wild West was OK with a black West.


26 posted on 08/07/2013 5:09:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dirtymac

“What a great story. I think it would be great that the Lone Ranger was actually a black man and former slave.”

You do realize the “Lone Ranger” was fiction? Why don’t you write a book/screenplay based on this gentlemans real life instead of trying to stir up some non existant racial shit?


27 posted on 08/07/2013 5:14:06 PM PDT by Figment
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To: nickcarraway

Probably wasn’t but you can bet he was “gay”. That study will be coming out soon.


28 posted on 08/07/2013 5:15:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Senator Foghorn says, You should never resist being raped, robbed, beat down or murdered.)
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To: Figment

I agree. We need more historical movies to build pride in America. The problem with blacks in movies is that so often they make them out to be revenge seekers when few blacks of the time actually did seek revenge.

I think a true historical perspective on George Washington’s “slave” Billy Lee would be awesome.


29 posted on 08/07/2013 5:19:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dirtymac

The man had some brass ones. If not the Lone Ranger, certainly a model for the fictional character.


30 posted on 08/07/2013 5:22:37 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: nickcarraway

Interesting Story. The man’s life story should be taught to every young black. They need a true hero instead of Thug Criminal cRappers.


31 posted on 08/07/2013 5:26:22 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Old Yeller

LOL!!!


32 posted on 08/07/2013 5:28:00 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: nickcarraway

I thought the Lone Ranger was Chinese. His real name, “Mi Shu Tru”.


33 posted on 08/07/2013 5:42:59 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: nickcarraway

Thanks. Love western history. Miss my Fanner 50.


34 posted on 08/07/2013 5:47:21 PM PDT by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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To: yarddog

Knock it off. Bass Reeves sounds like a “true legend” and embodied the spirit of the Old West. It’s shame that he couldn’t get his due when he was alive. I don’t care if he was the inspiration for the Lone Ranger or George Jetson, he was definitely a larger than life character and I can appreciate him on his own terms. To the extent he might have been the inspiration for the Lone Range, (or Cleavon Little’s Sheriff), associating him with that Disney disaster is an insult.


35 posted on 08/07/2013 6:06:34 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: yarddog

OK on Hamer, how about Bill Tilghman?


36 posted on 08/07/2013 6:09:01 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I don’t know much about Tilghman. I used to live in Dodge City, KS and remember a picture of the Dodge City Peace Commission.

Among those pictured was Wyatt Earp, Luke Short, Bill Tilghman, Bat Masterson and a couple of others I can’t recall right off hand.

I guess they were all prominent lawmen.


37 posted on 08/07/2013 6:18:02 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog
I guess they were all prominent lawmen.

And mostly Crooks, that rarely shot anyone because they couldn't hit anything unless they used a shotgun.

My Great Grandfather was a U.S. Marshal in Kansas during Jessie James day, and there is an interesting story in family lore describing My Grandfathers encounter with Jessie and his gang, he lived to tell about it.

38 posted on 08/07/2013 6:30:35 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: itsahoot

There was an excellent article in “The American Rifleman” a few years ago by a former trooper with the 6th Cavalry. He was stationed just outside Tombstone and personally knew several of those old gunfighters.

He was not very complimentary of them either. He described Wyatt Earp as a Pimp. He said Doc Holliday was an insane killer.


39 posted on 08/07/2013 6:34:23 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: nickcarraway

Only heard stories like this touched on with History Channel shows about the old west. Was amazed that some “Buffalo Soldiers” became U.S. Marshals after they served their Army commitments. Web searches give little on that. Story is not well reported but I’m not sure if it’s a lack of real documentation or it’s not politically correct.


40 posted on 08/07/2013 6:41:53 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: itsahoot
My Great Grandfather was a U.S. Marshal in Kansas during Jessie James day,

Was your great granddaddy Henry Newton Brown?

41 posted on 08/07/2013 6:48:44 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Probably wasn’t but you can bet he was “gay”. That study will be coming out soon.

Heard a story that Abe Lincoln was gay.

42 posted on 08/07/2013 7:59:30 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Fight the culture of nothing.)
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To: Mike Darancette

I’ve seen that one going around too.


43 posted on 08/07/2013 8:05:19 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Senator Foghorn says, You should never resist being raped, robbed, beat down or murdered.)
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To: okie01
No he wasn't. He survived the Civil War and migrated from Virginia to Illinois, then down through Missouri and finally settling in Northeaster Oklahoma, where he died from a head wound, deemed accidental. I know next to nothing of his escapades, just a few stories told at family re-unions, and none of those for 30 years or so.

He is buried in GAR Cemetery in Miami, Oklahoma. Captain A. J. Xxxxxx of the Virginia Volunteers, Union Army.

44 posted on 08/07/2013 10:43:50 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Bass Reeves makes Johny Depp look like Barney Fife.


45 posted on 08/09/2013 5:52:35 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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