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Posted on 08/08/2013 12:21:36 PM PDT by Lucky9teen
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A false dichotomy.
More precise is the sentence ... Millions know that Darwinian Evolution is a scientific fact.
Recommended reading ... "Darwin's Ghost" by Steve Jones
One review of Jones' book states ...
"This is a delightful book, infused with wit and panache, and as enthralling in its own way as was Darwin's original ... Wonderfully conceived and gloriously executed."
Another review states ...
"An inspiring argument supporting the theory of evolution."
Another states ...
"A richly readable introduction to the science that The Origin of Species invented."
In short ...
Beliefs belong in church.
I thought God planted the living organism that evolved.
Maybe it’s not evolution but just natural developmental growth stages of the soul. It’s not evolution when an acorn grows into an oak tree, except maybe from the perspective of the acorn that knows not what lies ahead.
Nurture vs Nature may be just Nurture vs Prior Nurture if one believes in reincarnation!
PS... & I actually watched the entire thing.
Actually, no. Or if they do -- they have things a bit askew if they think they "know" that a theory (no matter how valid --or not) is a "fact".
Facts never grow up into being theory. Theories come about as methodology of explanation for observable fact.
During the process of forming theory, one should be aware of, and keep close track of assumptions, and the basis for having made the assumptions. Or else it is or becomes loose "science", with theorizing mistaken for being "fact", such as you have done, grammatically.
Please take careful notice that here I have not ventured anywhere beyond word usage. Yet the words we chose to describe a thing are important, for words, their definitions and usage form our thoughts, becoming basis for opinion.
That reminds me of some relevant gibberish from Bertrand Russell ...
"Don't be so sure - nobody can be certain of anything."
Well, if that your belief
Nevertheless you have expressed my inward conviction, though far more vividly and clearly than I could have done, that the Universe is not the result of chance. But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?
The time has come to take seriously the fact that we humans are modified monkeys, not the favored Creation of a Benevolent God on the Sixth Day. In particular, we must recognize our biological past in trying to understand our interactions with others. We must think again especially about our so-called ethical principles. The question is not whether biologyspecifically, our evolutionis connected with ethics, but how. As evolutionists, we see that no [ethical] justification of the traditional kind is possible.
Morality, or more strictly our belief in morality, is merely an adaptation put in place to further our reproductive ends. Hence the basis of ethics does not lie in Gods will . In an important sense, ethics as we understand it is an illusion fobbed off on us by our genes to get us to cooperate. It is without external grounding. Like Macbeths dagger, it serves a powerful purpose without existing in substance.
Ethics is illusory inasmuch as it persuades us that it has an objective reference. This is the crux of the biological position. Once it is grasped, everything falls into place.
- Michael Ruse and E. O. Wilson, The Evolution of Ethics
Aristotle's ethics most definitely has an objective reference. It's unfortunate that Aristotle's non-deceptive Ethics isn't taught in schools.
Do tell more about Aristotle’s Prime Mover - your ‘belief’ from this man in non-deceptive objective ethics - and how it should be taught in schools ...
the naturalist believes that beneath every natural phenomenon there exists yet another natural phenomenon. If explanation by reference to an endless stack of large turtles is silly, then an explanation by reference to an endless stack of natural phenomena would be equally so. The naturalist's answer for the origin of life, therefore, is some natural phenomenon. (Which one is not particularly relevant.) When you ask them how that natural phenomenon came to be, their response boils down to: "It's natural phenomena all the way down!"
All I saw was someone asking people on the street if they were atheists and other questions regarding atheism.
Is there more to it than that because I won’t watch over an hour of that kind of stuff?
Suppose you built a model of London using Lego-like block which you had carved yourself out of wood. Every building, every sidewalk, every window, door and stairway in all 600+ square miles.
That would be a pretty impressive feat.
Now suppose you designed a single Lego block that then replicated itself into billions more blocks, of all the differing shapes involved, which would sequentially assemble itself (itselves?) into the same model.
Which would be the more impressive feat of Creation??
1) Go to a college campus.
2) Ask a whole lot of people questions about evolution.
3) Select those interviewees who appear the least coherent and knowledgeable.
4) Compile those interviews into the finished video.
Leno's "Jaywalking" is compiled in much the same way.
Leno interviews Meyers? I must have missed that episode...
I got as far as where he started asking people if they "believed in" evolution, so he could then spin that to be "faith in" evolution because you can't actually watch it happening. I've been around here long enough to know where that's going.
I also recently saw a video demonstrating how Comfort dishonestly edits his videos, by for example pasting in a different question in the finished product than the one he actually asked in the interview. I'm not going to spend all that time with someone I don't trust.
Don’t watch it. I wouldn’t recommend the video to anyone who has already made up their mind.
Didn’t say I’d made up my mind....just that it seemed to consist of one person asking other people questions regarding atheism. Not sure how that accomplishes anything. If there is something else on there that gives arguments to and for or other substantial info, then please let me know.
Btw, I believe in God and creation....not evolution.
Thanks for the post, Logical.
Should have done some homework of my own but it’s a tough crowd here and hard to keep up. :)
The producers point in making this video - that those who subscribe to the popular theory that all life can be traced back to some common origin exclusive of supernatural forces have beliefs that are just as rooted in blind faith as they criticizing creationists and those who believe in intelligent design for having - is well illustrated by it.
That is my opinion, anyway.
Then it does appear I have no interest as I am definitely not into that. Solidly on the side of creation and God.
And, interestingly enough, just read a great article posted elsewhere here that makes the case beautifully.
Here is the article and the FR post I found it on.
As I posted on that thread, this is something that I have known for a long time but never heard explained. Excellent piece by a very smart man who also is Jewish. I see why God chose them. They are a remarkable people!
Thanks for the link. Definitely for a different audience, but fascinating.
It is fascinating.
You’re talking about Intelligent design? Good analogy.
When God chose ‘them’ they were not remarkable at all according to the Biblical account.
Below is a link to my favorite creation defense - a free online book. Enjoy.
Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
I will take a look.
My favorite part - part II on the hydroplate theory.
Genesis 7:11 reads:
“In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.”
Those last 2 statements pack much more natural violence that the Earth has ever seen.
I have on my to-do list....now when I will to-do it is anyone’s guess. lol
But will try for sooner rather than later.
This is really neat too and was posted here on another thread.
Thanks. Yes I’ve read the geraldshcroeder link too.
I could send you another similar link but you have
enough reading for now. The other, Starlight and Time,
is one of a handful on my FR links page.
I did not see much substance on the first site. Do you have to order a book or DVD to get the full articles?