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Posted on 08/11/2013 2:54:35 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Potential 2016 presidential contender Donald Trump spoke to ABC's Jonathan Karl Sunday morning and reignited the birther issue that he helped spark back in 2011, questioning the legitimacy of Barack Obama's birth certificate and wondering whether Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada, was eligible to president. "Was there a birth certificate?" Trump asked. "You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. I'm saying I don't know. Nobody knows. And you don't know, either, Jonathan. You're a smart guy, you don't know, either." "I'm pretty convinced he was born in the United States," Karl said. "Ah! Pretty convinced," Trump said, and rolled over Karl's objections that he was 100% sure Obama was an American citizen. "Pretty sure is not acceptable." Trump made Obama's birth certificate a major issue in his aborted 2012 run for the GOP nomination, ultimately leading to Obama releasing his longform birth certificate. Karl asked Trump if the Canadian-born Cruz was eligible for the office. (Cruz's mother is an American citizen.) "If he was born in Canada, then perhaps not," Trump said. "That will be ironed out. I don't know the circumstances. If he says he was born in Canada, that's his thing."
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His mother was not a foreign national, she was an American citizen.
Chester A. Arthur was in the same boat and took over after Garfield was assassinated*. So, can Cruz be a vice presidential candidate?
and isn’t it also to do with the age of the mother when she had the child?.....I’m assuming she was over 17 ....
She is the only thing that makes him a Citizen by statute, but not a natural born Citizen to meet the requirement of Article 2 Section 1.
"Vas you dere, Sharlie?"
“Chester A. Arthur was in the same boat and took over after Garfield was assassinated*. So, can Cruz be a vice presidential candidate?”
The answer is no. Chester Arthur slipped through the cracks like Obama did. Arthur was never eligible.
“What difference could it (Cruz’s birth status) make at this point in time anyway?”
““What difference could it (Cruz’s birth status) make at this point in time anyway?”
What do you mean?
But what about “Stare Decisis”?
(I think that’s Latin for “If you fool me once, precedent will invalidate the Constitution forever”)
and isn’t it also to do with the age of the mother when she had the child?.....I’m assuming she was over 17 ....
X-ZACTLY!!!! We decided five years ago that Constitutional requirements DON’T MATTER. Move on.
Has Cruz been naturalized?
If he doesn’t need to be naturalized, doesn’t that mean he’s a Natural Born Citizen?
If he is not eligible to be president he is disqualified from VP.
Chester Arthur was also an American General in the Civil War, whether that had any influence or not, I can’t say. If Obama was a U.S.General in Viet Nam or the Gulf War, I don’t think I would make an issue of his place of birth. Had Cruz fought in the Gulf, I would lean towards him too.
It’s my understanding that when something has been allowed to stand by the courts, it can become the law of the land. I cannot remember the legal term for this, unfortunately.
What it may mean is that, because Obama was allowed to serve as President without being challenged in the Supreme Court, the Court may have accepted by default that one does not have to be a natural born citizen to be President.
Chester’s daughter saw him burning copious amounts of paper work in the burn barrel out back not long before he died. In the liberal mind, though, the fact that if Arthur got away with it, so should Soetero.
Yeah but his father was a foreign national, wasn’t a citizen when Obama was hatched so right there that makes BHO ineligible. Whether BHO was born in Hawaii or Kenya or Mars doesn’t matter because right off the bat he is ineligible because he was not a natural born citizen.
http://obamanotqualified.com/obama_is_not_a_natural_born_citizen.htm
the word is common law via judicial decisions
No, no, no, please say this is a bad dream.
"Was there a birth certificate?" Trump asked.
You should know the answer, combover boy. Remember that "crack team of investigators" you hired to look into this?? Or did they ever look into anything other than their own cracks??
That is among the points that have been raised by people. But I’m not the one to really ask. My understanding from recent reading is that “natural born” has never really been defined and that several past presidents or major party candidates have been born outside the US. Among them McCain (born in Panama, but I think his father was in military service), George Romney (born in Mexico), Barry Goldwater (born in AZ before it was a state, but I think clearly that was part of the US even if not a state, but that’s just me).
I don’t know if Obama did hire anybody to investigate, though I know that he had people from Arpaio’s team talk to him about it.
He didn’t necessarily ask that question because he didn’t know the answer. He asked that question to raise doubt about it.
For those who believe Cruz is eligible, they had better weigh all possibilities before getting behind him.
The Donald© sports the new "Ted Koppel On Acid" hairpiece.
“Has Cruz been naturalized?”
No, he didn’t have to be naturalized. He was an American citizen when he was born as his mother was an American. He is as American as if his mother lived in Minnesota and went across to Canada for a shopping day and had the baby there. His citizenship passes from the mother to the baby. She fills out the information for the birth certificate that he is an American and that goes on the birth certificate.
While she was living in Canada at the time, she was not a Canadian citizen, was an American citizen.
If a woman is an American citizen living in Laredo, Texas, and goes shopping one day into Mexico, and the baby comes while she is in Mexico, the baby is an American. Does not have to be naturalized.
If an American going to have a baby has to fly to China for something and the baby is born in China, the baby is an American, not Chinese. Does not have to be naturalized.
I had lunch today with a person who was born in Cuba, he was a Cuban citizen as his mother and father were also Cuban citizens. He came to the states when he was fourteen and became a naturalized citizen. That is what a naturalized citizen is - a citizen of another country who wants to become an American citizen. If you are American from the beginning, you do not have to be naturalized as you were naturally born an American to start.
This will keep going around in circles until Cruz decides whether or not to run for president. If his mom did not declare him to be an American at birth, but let him become a Canadian, not an American, then he had to be naturalized when he came to the states if he wanted to be an American. That would prevent him from becoming president. One is either a natural born citizen or a naturalized citizen.
I was born here. My parents were born here. My grandparents were born here. At least half my great-grandparents were born here. If I were to run for president, I’m convinced somebody would have an issue with my paperwork.
I am reminded of Charlie Brown talking to Linus about the sun.
Charlie said he thinks God should have made the sun long like a fluorescent bulb so that it would have given out light over a wider area.
Linus answers: “One thing is for sure. It’s too late to change it now.”
There was a lot of controversy over Arthur at the time.
He acted much like Obama has. But, Arthur was really born in Vermont, despite claims of Canadian birth.
However, Arthur’s father was not an American citizen when Chester was born. Arthur concealed that until he left office.
What do you get when you cross a drunken bigamist with a Communist slut?
But if a Mexican woman crosses over into Laredo and goes shopping, and the baby comes, you believe that the same is not true, correct? Is that baby Mexican?
Natural born is a term of art from the era when the constitution was written, like well-regulated. There are several sources from that time that the Supreme Court considers authoritative.
It has never been tested in the Supreme Court, at least not in this context.
From that era, natural born means born in the US to two citizen parents. There are some very limited exceptions, one of which applies to John McCain.
Priceless. Thanks very much for posting.
A rendition of “Hail to the Chief” every time it walks into a room?
One is either a natural born citizen or a naturalized citizen.
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You need to do more reading and studying on the subject. There are citizens, there are naturalized citizens, and there are natural born citizens. For example, how is it a child born in the U.S. to foreign nationals is able to claim citizenship simply by being born here? I don’t agree with this interpretation, but this is what has been taking place for decades.
My husband was born in Britain and our son was born in the uSA. Are you saying my son is not a natural born citizen??
*USA*
Also, isn’t it correct that if his mother was married to a Canadian, living in Canada at the time of birth, the child takes the nationality of his father, so the child would then be a dual national. If the mother was just living with a Canadian, and unmarried, the illegitimate child would then be 100% American? We have all had a crash course in the intricacies of citizenship since Usurperville happened in the U.S.
Actually she was married to a Cuban national named Rafael Cruz.
If your British-born husband was naturalized at the time of your son’s birth, there is no doubt that your son is natural born. If your husband was not naturalized at that time,then there are unresolved doubts as to whether he was or was not natural born. His citizenship would not be at question, just his eligibility to the office of President. The term only has legal import under that one circumstance.
What difference does it make after Hussein Soetero?
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I disagree. My son is far more American than the Usurper-in-Chief. Obama actually grew up in Indonesia. I think the ‘natural born citizen’ debate will go on for a long time. Meanwhile, Obama is destroying this once great country and NOBODY is doing anything about it!
The Supreme Court has stated that the Constitution only recognizes two forms of citizenship - citizenship bestowed at birth and citizenship bestowed by naturalization.
Check and mate.
It’s poorly studied but was credited with being the first shots of the upcoming Revolution by many, in the past. Civil War, victors writing the history books, or so I’ve speculated. Same thing happened to Jamestown, which was founded decades before Plymouth.
Yep. My point exactly. I was naturalized 1994. From South Africa. I am a white African Scots American!,
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