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The Missing Shame in American Society
Clash Daily ^ | 8-11-13 | Stephanie Janiczek

Posted on 08/12/2013 5:58:09 AM PDT by ReformationFan

I don’t know when it became OK for people to be so open about the weird stuff they are into. I have always lived by the code whatever you do is fine as long as I don’t have to see it. It’s been a mantra for decades. However, since the dawn of the internet people have been very happy to share things about themselves that not everyone wants to know and most of it is downright obscene.

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: clinton; facebook; internet; janiczek; missing; shame; stephaniejaniczek

1 posted on 08/12/2013 5:58:09 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Isaiah 3:9.


2 posted on 08/12/2013 6:04:40 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ReformationFan

The ad for “Men’s Health” (ahem) front-and-center on the linked site is an interesting touch.


3 posted on 08/12/2013 6:05:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: ReformationFan

IMO this conflates in jigsaw-puzzle fashion with Bill Whittle’s contention that libs have this built-in assumption of moral superiority. Because they stand for clean water, it’s OK to have sex when you’re 12. Because they stand for helping the little guy, it’s OK to shout down people who have differing opinions. Because they stand for the children, it’s OK to advocate for the loss of gun rights. Because they stand for unlimited abortion, it’s important to provide anyone with free contraceptives.


4 posted on 08/12/2013 6:06:44 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Both parties are trying to elect a new PEOPLE.)
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To: ReformationFan

“since the dawn of the internet”

Stephanie, that is the natural outgrowth of the dehumanizing, gangster rap-culture.


5 posted on 08/12/2013 6:08:10 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: ReformationFan

There is no shame because a large portion of society has no sense of right or wrong and the rest of us have resigned ourselves to accept their open reveling in evil as an unchangeable part of life.


6 posted on 08/12/2013 6:10:36 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: ReformationFan

Here in Florida, a man murdered his wife, took a picture of her dead body and posted it on FB.

“Status: Just Killed my wife.”

He was, of course, apprehended. Does the FB posting count as a “Confession”?


7 posted on 08/12/2013 6:14:16 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: ReformationFan

It is the result of living in a ‘liberal society.’

Do a little skimming of liberal ethics essays and it will dawn on you why we no longer have shame.

A liberal society embraces pluralism, in the sense that it does not seek to impose any one vision of what it means to be virtuous or to lead a good life. Within such a society, approval is commonly expressed for John Stuart Mill’s view that “experiments in living” should not be merely tolerated, but actually welcomed and celebrated (Mill 1974: 120).


8 posted on 08/12/2013 6:15:57 AM PDT by EBH (The 'silent majority' is just as responsible for where this country is today as the screaming mob)
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To: ReformationFan

Shame went out of our society after Woodstock.


9 posted on 08/12/2013 6:17:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ReformationFan

. . .And the really sad side-effect is that NOTHING is all that shocking anymore. Our “wierd filters” have adjusted the threshold of “wierd” far beyond what they were even 15 years ago. . .


10 posted on 08/12/2013 6:19:43 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Excellent post. The moral superiority list could go on and on but you’ve made the point well with those examples. I haven’t read Mr. Whittle but he obviously understands the liberal psyche.

Regarding the psychology of the Left, I would add that they are fundamentally immature and insecure. Like children, they want what they want without regard to any consequences. Just give it to me right now and I don’t care if it hurts or inconveniences anyone else. And there’s a deep seated insecurity in liberals that believes everyone needs to be taken care of so government to them is the ultimate answer to everything. Individuals who accomplish things on their own are viewed as a wicked threat as they challenge the very feelings of superiority that you referred to.


11 posted on 08/12/2013 6:19:56 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Tax-chick
It's a Google targeted ad, for example mine came up with ads for motorcycle jeans because that is what I have searched for.
12 posted on 08/12/2013 6:20:25 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: left that other site

He was, of course, apprehended. Does the FB posting count as a “Confession”?
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Probably not. He was just sharing his deep seated emotional distress with others. /sarc


13 posted on 08/12/2013 6:21:35 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Pan_Yan

There is no shame because a large portion of society has no sense of right or wrong and the rest of us have resigned ourselves to accept their open reveling in evil as an unchangeable part of life.


And why I moved from my home of 45 years, Seattle, to a farm/forest in central KY in 2011. It’s in the vein of Revelation 18: 4

It IS an unchangeable part of life in the end times. But we all have at least some say in how much a part of our personal life it is.


14 posted on 08/12/2013 6:21:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Durus

The one for Catholic books is related to my searches, as is anything in Spanish. “Men’s health,” however ... the males in my family don’t use this account!


15 posted on 08/12/2013 6:21:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Tax-chick
The ad for “Men’s Health” (ahem) front-and-center

Makes me wax nostalgic for the days when they were scrunched down into tiny boxes and exiled to the lower-left hand corner of the sports pages.


16 posted on 08/12/2013 6:22:26 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Salgak

. . .And the really sad side-effect is that NOTHING is all that shocking anymore. Our “wierd filters” have adjusted the threshold of “wierd” far beyond what they were even 15 years ago. . .


I believe the bible calls it a seared conscience.


17 posted on 08/12/2013 6:22:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Starboard

To have “deep seated emotional distress” requires a conscience.


18 posted on 08/12/2013 6:23:02 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: Olog-hai

Isaiah 3:9.


Yep. I started my listening on my 1.25 hour commute this morning with Isaiah 1. You nailed the scripture for today’s world


19 posted on 08/12/2013 6:24:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I wrote to the NRA once and told them that ads of that kind supported the stereotype that men use guns when they feel their “equipment” is inadequate. Others must have objected to, because eventually, they got a better class of ads.


20 posted on 08/12/2013 6:24:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Salgak

NOTHING is all that shocking anymore
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Right. What used to shock is now simply “amusing”. Another oddity in a world without any moral or ethical standards.


21 posted on 08/12/2013 6:24:54 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Olog-hai

Indeed. How very sad that so many people are being schackled to sin and misery while being told that this is the way to “freedom” and happiness. Woe unto them who call evil good.

It is a burden of the heart to see so many people on the road to eternal ruin while they are deceived thinking all is well with them.


22 posted on 08/12/2013 6:26:20 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: ReformationFan

I have long thought that the banishment of “shame” in our culture has had (and continues to have) deep reaching, corrosive effects.

We have been hearing for decades now that being judgmental is a character flaw. This is an extension of liberal moral relativism, which is an offshoot of the Roussouian concept of being able to do whatever you like as long as it makes ou happy. The question is often framed as “Who are YOU to decide what culture/person/trait/habit/activity is good or not? Goodness is what I think it is...”

And everyone is supposed to go along with it.


23 posted on 08/12/2013 6:27:19 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: ReformationFan

imo the MSM support of our serial adulterer Arkenführer gave us this parade of sh!tbird political trash that infests the country now.

What a world turned upside down this is when now it’s shameful to be a successful business man...

...and political trash like the NY state Governor Cuomo who, endorses abortion, enslaves a woman with a pre-nup or other type of personal services contract that denies alimony if she ‘talks’ and receives a sacrilegious holy communion is celebrated as a statesman.


24 posted on 08/12/2013 6:29:36 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: ReformationFan
The fact of the matter is that our Creator put within each one of us both an inborn knowledge of Him and an innate moral compass. Watch two kids in a sandbox. One takes another's truck. Both instinctively know that taking that truck (stealing in a sense) is wrong. This is that innate sense of right and wrong inbred in each of us.

The left, as they have sought throughout history, has detached many from God. Ironically, the left has used shame and ridicule to detach many from God. One detached from God, you are detached from immutable truth and then everything is relative, and the decent into darkness begins and is only a matter of time, but it is a surety.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

25 posted on 08/12/2013 6:36:32 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: Starboard

I watched one of my favorite movies last night, Spencer’s Mountain. A movie from the time when Hollyweird was unabashed about having characters show a strong faith in God and men believed in working hard and doing right. Even though just a movie it makes me long for the times when i was growing up.


26 posted on 08/12/2013 6:37:06 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: ReformationFan
Sure we still have shame. Take Larry Craig for example. He supposedly was trying to engage in some gay sex pick up in an airport using tapping feet code or something. True or not he resigned when it became public.

Compare this to Robert Menendez who not only was purportedly having sex with underage hookers but paying them with taxpayer money. This while he was on the Dominican Republic trip to participate in some real estate scam. It will be a cold day in hell before he resigns.

So it looks like only Republicans have shame. I can't help but think this is a weakness given our culture.

27 posted on 08/12/2013 6:39:53 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Pan_Yan
There is no shame because a large portion of society has no sense of right or wrong, and the rest of us have resigned ourselves to accept their open reveling in evil as an unchangeable part of life.

As good as an Eric Hoffer observation; large portion means big majority for those in "Rio Linda", as Rush says.

28 posted on 08/12/2013 6:41:04 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Durus

No, Craig decided to finish out his term, but the point you are making is valid. Few were more outraged than the “Idaho democracy” over Craig’s faux paux.


29 posted on 08/12/2013 6:42:36 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Obadiah
Woe unto them who call evil good

At least two thirds of the American people; large majorities in polls wanted poor Terry Schiavo exterminated.

30 posted on 08/12/2013 6:44:26 AM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: Theodore R.
I had to look it up again. It appears he announced his intent to resign but then retracted it when he lawyered up and thought he could beat the charges, which he could have done apparently if he hadn't plead guilty. I guess I could have used a better example but like you said I think the point still holds true.
31 posted on 08/12/2013 6:52:59 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: rlmorel
Interestingly some of the federalist papers dealing with advise and consent issues mention shame as a motivator for people doing the right thing, not wanting to be ostracized for example. When I used to give ethics presentations to new employees, the line I used to use when a question concerning a right or wrong action was: Just ask yourself what your mother would say if she found out. Today I would be laughed off the dais because there simply is no shame. “Not my child or he is a good boy or he just is misunderstood” would be the answers”.

95% of the prime time stuff on the TV is immoral IMO. We used to call it bathroom humor but today it is main stream comedy. The purveyors of it have no shame because it sells. When there are no standards of decency, there is no real society IMO.

32 posted on 08/12/2013 7:00:40 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: ReformationFan

The leftist agenda could not come to full fruition until the stigma of shame for shameful behavior was erased. They started with the minorities and it bled over to society in general.


33 posted on 08/12/2013 7:10:58 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ReformationFan

No conscience, seared conscience; no sense of right or wrong. Lying right to a person’s face with no sense of guilt. No shame or embarrassment, no high standards or respect.
No one is shocked anymore by deviant behavior or language.

We have turned a blind eye for so long, there is no going back.


34 posted on 08/12/2013 7:14:52 AM PDT by slipper (The best is yet to come)
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To: dfwgator

When is the last time anyone saw a woman blush?


35 posted on 08/12/2013 7:27:30 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: ReformationFan
And don't forget, the absolute worst thing we conservatives can do, according to liberals, is JUDGE someone or something as shameful, or perverse, or lewd, or inappropriate, or sinful, or disgusting, or anti-American, or lazy, or immoral, or...

This only contributes to the downward slide.

36 posted on 08/12/2013 7:28:07 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: ReformationFan

Anyone who ever has had the misfortune to have a TV on during the work day knows there is no shame anymore.


37 posted on 08/12/2013 7:34:47 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Democrat party: criminal enterprise masquerading as a political party.)
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To: dfwgator

“Shame went out of our society after Woodstock.”

I was going on 11 when that happened. I turned 21 when the Disco scene was peaking. I think that since then though, a great many people have further developed an emotional association between shame and feelings of low self-esteem and that’s why they’re driven to feel no shame. They just don’t get it that it’s human nature to feel good about being good and doing good things with their lives and for others.


38 posted on 08/12/2013 7:38:08 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: humblegunner

Ping...


39 posted on 08/12/2013 7:49:47 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Starboard
"I would add that they are fundamentally immature and insecure. Like children, they want what they want without regard to any consequences."

There is evidence (1970's album art, etc.) that they were influenced to see themselves as being so innocent.


40 posted on 08/12/2013 8:01:14 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: ReformationFan

Things change constantly.

Not too long ago, the majority of Americans believed that gun liberty would result in rampant gun crime and violence.

In the 1950s, congress investigated EC horror comics for influencing children to commit horrible crimes, not grasping that the comics were so horrible that they were funny, and that “bad guys” were always punished in the end, much like the Hays Code for films.

Etc. But it all leads up to sexuality and pornography.

Statistics clearly show that heterosexual, monogamous marriage is far better for children than being raised by a single parent.

But society is still catching up to something it does *not* want to hear, but is a glaring truth. People have a finite supply of energy, focused on procreation and the raising of children.

Yet if people use up too much of that energy on frivolous sexuality, they have less to devote to their children.

Some people have large amounts of energy, but even they are stressed by having and raising children. Many or perhaps even most have *enough* energy, if they conserve it, to have and raise children. But many never had enough energy to do so.

Bluntly, there are many people who should never have children, and a subset of those who should never even have sex, because they have barely enough energy to live.

The human species may actually have a biological reason for things like homosexuality, prostitution, and post-menopausal sexuality. Basically as distractions for those who should not reproduce, so that they do not interfere with those who *should* reproduce. So that they do not interfere with monogamous, heterosexual marriage.

But what about pornography?

Not surprisingly, an abundance of pornography may result in people not wanting to have sex so much. For those who shouldn’t or can’t breed, no problem. However, those who should marry and have children should strictly avoid false sexual stimulation, *or* non-reproductive sex until they are done reproducing and raising their children.

How this latter goal is achieved is the important thing, because it is determinate of human future generations.


41 posted on 08/12/2013 8:10:30 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: ReformationFan

Haven’t you heard? This is the age of attention whores!


42 posted on 08/12/2013 8:24:05 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Starboard

Whittle, affiliated with PJTV, has some magnificent speeches he has given, he is a highly engaging and funny speaker. He can go back and forth between funny and dead serious in a subtle yet powerful way and I myself like him a lot. Kind of like Mark Steyn, though not so frivolous. Available on YouTube, if you are interested. He recently gave this speech about the assumed moral superiority of the left. Twas good, maybe not one of his best, but he raised this superiority point and I think it is a good one. He makes this point that this is a valid point of attack in lib argument: This assumed moral superiority is absolutely unearned. Like many other things in their bag of tricks.

His analysis of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings was spot on in terms of refuting the handwringing, constant review we have to hear every year at this time. (Came out last year or yr before) Reco you look it up on YT.


43 posted on 08/12/2013 9:25:28 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Both parties are trying to elect a new PEOPLE.)
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To: rlmorel
“Who are YOU to decide what culture/person/trait/habit/activity is good or not? Goodness is what I think it is...”

But people who say that have their own set of rules and will judge you for violating it. Try saying, "Who are you to decide that I can't favor white males when I hire people?" "Who are you to decide that I can't be pro-life?" "Who are you to decide that I can't own a gun?" And on and on. Then they become the most judgmental people on earth.

44 posted on 08/12/2013 10:51:07 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: Nea Wood

Exactly. It is like freedom of speech. It is a one way ratchet for liberal.

It is only freedom of speech if you agree with them. Otherwise, it is “Hate Speech”.


45 posted on 08/12/2013 3:02:58 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: ReformationFan

Back in the days of Freeping the Clintons at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I had a sign with a picture of George Washington with a big tear rolling down his face and the word SHAME.

One day an attractive suburban mother walked by with her young daughter who saw my sign and asked her what “Shame” was. I heard the woman hem and haw and sputter helplessly all the way down the sidewalk - she had no idea.


46 posted on 08/12/2013 6:34:45 PM PDT by Wife of D28Man
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