‘Was There A Birth Certificate?’: Trump Battles ABC’s Jon Karl Over Obama’s, Ted Cruz’s Citizenship

MediaIte ^ | 08/12/2013 | Evan McMurry

[SeekAndFind]

Potential 2016 presidential contender Donald Trump spoke to ABC’s Jonathan Karl Sunday morning and reignited the birther issue that he helped spark back in 2011, questioning the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s birth certificate and wondering whether Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada, was eligible to president.

“Was there a birth certificate?” Trump asked. “You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. I’m saying I don’t know. Nobody knows. And you don’t know, either, Jonathan. You’re a smart guy, you don’t know, either.”

“I’m pretty convinced he was born in the United States,” Karl said.

“Ah! Pretty convinced,” Trump said, and rolled over Karl’s objections that he was 100% sure Obama was an American citizen. “Pretty sure is not acceptable.”

Trump made Obama’s birth certificate a major issue in his aborted 2012 run for the GOP nomination, ultimately leading to Obama releasing his longform birth certificate.

Karl asked Trump if the Canadian-born Cruz was eligible for the office. (Cruz’s mother is an American citizen.)

“If he was born in Canada, then perhaps not,” Trump said. “That will be ironed out. I don’t know the circumstances. If he says he was born in Canada, that’s his thing.”

Watch the full clip below, via ABC News:

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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; citizenship; donaldtrump; naturalborncitizen; tedcruz; trump

[nascarnation]

Trump the Chump put the BC on the front burner in the summer and turned off the gas in November.....

[SeekAndFind]

Yes, but is he right about Ted Cruz’s eligibility for POTUS?

[Tupelo]

Only a fool debates a liar or an imbecile.

[Cowboy Bob]

Cruz should claim that he was born in Hawaii, and present a photoshopped birth certificate...just like Obama.

H should then challange people to proved that he wasn’t born in Hawaii.

[Mr. K]

Trump could have demolished pResident Soetoro after the release of the LFBC because it was immediately shown to be fraudulent

He could have harped on that 10 TIMES as much as before and that would have been the end of Obama...

But instead the TV network gave him a $34million dollar contract to do another year of shows (anyone remember that show anymore?) and he shut up...

...when it was already beginning to go downhill in the ratings,

[Mr. K]

That would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact, use OBAMA’S!!!!!
just replace the name

[Red Steel]

Karl asked Trump if the Canadian-born Cruz was eligible for the office.

Just as I predicted. The OBot A-birfers like Karl will go after Cruz.

[Perdogg]

Not just the Obots.

[cripplecreek]

Trump is working for the democrats.

[Obadiah]

Ted Cruz for President!

[cripplecreek]

All I know is that Ted Cruz shows a lot more respect for the constitution than 99% of his colleagues.

[Red Steel]

I doubt it. Trump works for Trump.

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

All I know is I’m the same age as Obama, and my BC looks NOTHING like his. It looks exactly 51 years old, and unless B. Hussein had his locked in a vacuum sealed safe for the past 51 years, that is not an original BC.

[Boonie]

Maybe Trump decided he didn’t want a car accident, a plane crash, a mugging that turned into a shooting...Maybe he decided he didn’t want to be “found” in bed with a Jamaican prostitute in some derelict NY hotel and not remember how he got there after passing out eating dinner in some exclusive restaurant....
Maybe he and Justice Roberts decided what was really best for their own health and welfare.

[Boonie]

It would also be nice for schools to teach the difference between “then” and “than”.....

[cripplecreek]

All I know is that I trust Don King over Donald Trump.

[Red Steel]

I doubt Cruz is running.

[Tau Food]

When asked if Cruz (born while his American citizen mother was in Canada) is eligible, Trump should simply say, "I'm a businessman. I know how to get things done. I'm not an historian.I'm not a legal expert. I just know how to get things done and I think I could get a lot done for this country as president."

Like a lot of other people, he let his animus toward Obama lead him into a birther trap that he now needs to escape. I hope he learns from that experience.

Ted Cruz - 2016

[SeekAndFind]

Here’s an interesting title from SALON ( a left wing site much touted by Bill Clinton himself ):

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/20/ted_cruz_could_beat_hillary/

Ted Cruz could beat Hillary

[Red Steel]

That’s a honey trap being set by the libs.

[Swede Girl]

You are right. That was hush money. He chose that over investigating the birth discrepancies on a deeper level and making it a front page issue.

[0.E.O]

But instead the TV network gave him a $34million dollar contract to do another year of shows (anyone remember that show anymore?) and he shut up...

Oh God! Is it possible we'll be stuck with Celebrity Apprentice so long as NBC thinks Trump might be a viable candidate?

[fieldmarshaldj]

[Yosemitest]

Yes there was, and it was seen by the people who documented his mother's and father's divorce papers.

Ed Hale, a private investigator in Hawaii, has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obama’s father and mother, which indicates they had “one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya.”
But a later Update 1/1/2009,...
"In his 7:45pm Plains Radio broadcast, this last night, Ed Hale backed down from his prior assertion of having gained even uncertain information about the Barack Sr. / Stanley Ann divorce decree containing language referring to Barack Jr. as being born in Kenya. Instead, Hale referred to an apparently tricky recollection... of an ... referring to such a document's generally referring to the place of birth of the children of the divorced parents."

I believe that "indeterminate person" probably SAW the Obama Dunham Divorce Documents BEFORE Page 11 disappeared and viewed the Kenyan Birth Cerfiticate,
thereby telling Ed Hale

"the divorce decree for Barack Obama’s father and mother, indicates they had 'one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya.' ".

The Obama Dunham Divorce Documents are viewable at this location.
There's a great assumption of the time lime at at link.

See the whole Obama 1964 divorce on Scribd.com or as 13 individual images below (in proper order):







I immediately called the clerk in Hawaii and asked where the extra page was. She looked, and counted, and said that there must be some mistake in the records – she counted only 13 pages that are available for reprint. I pointed out to her that the page count she sent skipped from page 10 to page 12 – page 11 was missing. To that, she suggested that perhaps the pages were simply misnumbered before they where archived into the microfiche.

I accepted her answer, not thinking much about it at the time. Perhaps it was just a clerical error in the 1960s, when hand-filed paper records and IBM punch cards were how court documents were tracked and maintained.

I have since come to learn that Obama and his team of lawyers have been working to sanitize his records since he announced that he’d run for President circa November 2004. Now in the White House, he’s still ACTIVELY blocking subpoenas for such documents as his Cambridge and Occidental College records TODAY – the same type of documents promised to be made available during his campaign. Obama and his lawyers are exceedingly adept at exploiting loopholes in Hawaiian birth certificate law to keep Obama’s past hidden from the American people.

This missing page – page 11 – very likely is a copy of the original birth certificate, based upon the prima facie timeline of the 1964 divorce. The Kenya birth certificate was likely requested on Jan 23, 1964 by either Judge King (to award custody on the next trial date), or recommended to Ann Dunham by her attorney for the ex parte divorce, where only one parent was expected to be present.

The missing page, 11, should be chronologically-numbered as all other pages were in the original docket file, by the court clerk at the time. Starting at page 8, Exhibit A is placed where it would have occurred by date in the paperwork (and appeared on microfiche), even denoting an erased, yet barely-readable “8″ on both pages of the returned notification sent to Obama SR. The missing page, numbered as page 11, would likely be a page that would have been admitted to the divorce file sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 – almost as if it were an undocumented “Exhibit B”.

Here’s a very plausible timeline merging the 1964 Obama Divorce papers and new Kenya birth certificate:

Jan 20 (Mon) – divorce request is filed by Stanley Ann D. Obama

Jan 23 (Thur) – divorce orders for trial are given by Judge King at chambers

(note – if the judge, or Ann Dunham’s attorney, told her to order the Kenya birth certificate, it would have been mailed 10,000 miles away, to the “Coast Province” Registrar’s office of the “Republic of Kenya”, likely arriving around the first week of February 1964 to be processed)

Jan 28 (Tue) – Gail A. Watanabe, presumably an assistant of Ann Obama attorney George Kerr, mails the notification for trial to Obama SR (her affidavit is signed Feb 3 and filed)

Jan 30 (Thur) – via Air Mail, notification of trial arrives at Obama SR’s Cambridge, Mass, address. The 10-day “knock and nail” notification would have expired on Sun, Feb 9. Therefore, the next trial date would have been automatically set, per Judge King’s instructions, for the first Tuesday, 30 days later, on March 3

Feb 10 (Mon) – allowing for a 10-day “knock and nail” notification for trial, Obama SR’s trial notification would have been retrieved by the US Post Office on this date, to be mailed back (as events turned out – UNSIGNED by Obama SR) to Hawaii as an exhibit for trial

Feb 17 (Mon) – the Obama Kenya birth certificate is signed by the “Coast Province” Deputy Registrar, to be mailed back to Hawaii for receipt by Ann Obama and/or her attorney
(note: mail time would have ranged from a few days (Air Mail) to a couple of weeks (ship), arriving back in Hawaii in the last week of February to first week of March 3 (Tue). Based upon Judge King’s Jan 23 orders for the next trial date, “at 9:30 a.m. on the first Tuesday after thirty (30) days have elapsed from and after the date” that Obama SR would have been served with the notice of trial. That notification came back, unsigned, by Obama SR, so Ann’s attorneys surely requested, and received Default Judgment for the divorce in her favor for “grievous mental suffering”

Mar 5 (Thur) – trial takes place in favor of divorce in Hawaii, placing custody of Obama JR to his mother by default
(note: the trial was likely rescheduled 2 days after the automatically set date of Mar 3, possibly for the convenience of the judge and/or parties)

Mar 20 (Fri) – the divorce decree is signed by Judge King


In Hawaii, birth certificates are not Public Record. If the Kenya birth certificate was a part of the divorce decree, it may have been pulled out at the end of the trial, or more recently by a watchful archivist or attorneys wishing to remove unfavorable information about Obama.
To date, despite other honest attempts to refute the Kenya birth certificate, such as dealing with when the “Republic of Kenya” came into existence as a republic have been “un-bunked.” Dishonest alterations of the Kenya birth certificate have been maliciously created by sites such as Democratic Underground, designed to discredit the Kenya birth certificate – they’ve been un-bunked as well.

Having not actually seeing the Kenya birth certificate, and it’s chain of evidence, no intellectually-honest person can say if it’s real or not. By the same token, none of us have seen or touched the short-form “Certification of Live Birth” that has appeared on Obama’s “Fight the Smears” or FactCheck.org websites.

No one can confirm the chain of evidence of Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth” that has appeared online, which is the abbreviated-version of Obama’s true, 1961, original long-form(s) “Certificate of Live Birth” and associated vital statistics records. Even the Hawaii Department of Health directly refuses to verify Obama’s online COLBs.

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[Hotlanta Mike]

GOP Congressman Claims: We Probably Have Enough House Votes to Impeach Obama

http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-congressman-claims-we-probably-have-enough-house-votes-to-impeach-obama/

[Retired Greyhound]

Technically, Cruz is ineligible, but not because he was born in Canada.

His ineligibility is due to the fact that his father was not a US Citizen at the time of his birth (same as Marco Rubio). In fact, his father did not become a US citizen until 2005.

But, since being eligible no longer matters, he may as well run. He’d be a terrific candidate.

[Retired Greyhound]

I should add, this is the reason that B. Hussein Obama is not eligible to be POTUS. NOT because he was born in Kenya, but because his father was not a US citizen.

[iontheball]

Maybe he and Justice Roberts decided what was really best for their own health and welfare.
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Your supposition is likely correct, but complying with the blackmailer makes them a cowards and a traitors to their country. If they would have just had the courage to go public with the blackmail there would have been any number of retired SEALs and special ops patriots that would have gladly taken on the task of protected their backsides.

[GraceG]

Cruz should claim that he was born in Hawaii, and present a photoshopped birth certificate...just like Obama.

H should then challange people to proved that he wasn’t born in Hawaii.

He should intentionally have the exact same “mistakes” that are on Barry’s BC.

Then when they complain about it inthe press he can show Barry’s BC and say.... OK< are you saying the president is ineligible?

[Nero Germanicus]

George Soros is a major investor in Trump Tower Chicago and Trump and Soros both recently donated money to the campaign fund of Kamala Harris, the left wing Democrat Attorney General of California.
http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-statewide-officials-fundraising-20130731,0,7188238.story

[Boonie]

I fully agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bunkerhill7]

Annex Canada

[Seizethecarp]

Trump says “Let’s just see what happens over time.”

I read Trump as insinuating that he has reason to believe that the WH pdf will be exposed as a fake at some point in the future. This is almost a veiled threat by Trump, IMO.

At one point, IIRC, Trump did claim that his private investigators could not confirm the Kapiolani birth or the existence of a BC in Hawaii DOH, and that was totally independent from and prior to Arpaio’s investigation.

[Hotlanta Mike]

I read Trump as insinuating that he has reason to believe that the WH pdf will be exposed as a fake at some point in the future. This is almost a veiled threat by Trump, IMO.

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He knows the Congress will not do anything until either the GOP retakes the Senate or until after Obama leaves office.

[Seizethecarp]

“He knows the Congress will not do anything until either the GOP retakes the Senate or until after Obama leaves office.”

IMO, Trump may actually know information that could accelerate Barry’s exit from office just as the tapes did in Nixon and the stain on the blue dress resulted in Clinton’s impeachment (OK, at least the stain derailed Gore’s presidential run).

Bottom line is how incriminating the evidence is that Trump seems to have in his back pocket.

In the case of Nixon, his own party turned on him. In the case of Clinton, his party stood behind him (and some feckless GOP as well).

[justiceseeker93]

All I know is that Ted Cruz shows a lot more respect for the constitution than 99% of his colleagues.

That's true, at least up until now.

But if he decides to claim that he is constitutionally eligible for the presidency (or vice presidency), he will be showing zero respect for the Constitution.