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Posted on 08/12/2013 5:19:05 PM PDT by BenLurkin
In before “It’s the owner, not the breed...”
Another post for you, Chet! Too bad you went nutz.
So many will be like the dying Anakin Skywalker saying “you were right, Chet99. You were right.”
>>In before “It’s the owner, not the breed...”<<
The suppression of similar stories about Golden Retrievers will eventually be pierced...
I have a feeling you beat a lot of people who are thinking the same thing.
If it’s the owner and not the dog, why are they killing the dogs?
Poor Chet. He was right.
Yep, it’s amazing how many bad owners own pit bulls.
My guns are deadly, but they don’t go off on their own.
"My tigers don't bite. I don't know what got into them."
Strange, how many horrible people own these gentle dogs, why blame the breed. /s/
I have a sweet Yorkie and have to remember the bite out of my leg was by a large dog and big dogs are not all sweet and neither are these pit bulls. How much on average does a pit bull weigh and how tall are they? My Yorkie is 5 lbs.
My neighbors half pit bull bit my foot and would not let me move. I was frozen. He kept growling and coming closer. Owner had trouble getting him to respond and let me go. I now keep a gun in my pocket all times when in my yard
(Junkyard dawgs need a BIG fence.)
Bet I know how that went down.
"Vato, you won't believe what I saw.
I saw these pack of dogs and they act real hard... (And what they do?)
They wagged their tails, say you know who we are...
She say 'I don't give a damn' so they began to gnaw ... (Ah huh)
They kept biting her and it went too far,
So animal control went to the trunk of his car (And what he get?),
He got his lasso and they start barking hard,
He started swinging and then he just charged..."
I find the little yappy dogs to be more of a problem than big dogs (pits excepted).
Of course Labs, Goldens and many others are quite sweet. Especially if properly trained to be out in public.
Only takes two pit bulls. Prolly would have taken about 30 feral yutes.
Should we assume that if there’s a hole in your fence, your dog will get try to kill someone walking on the street by ripping them apart? I keep reading these accounts about pit bulls. We lived on a farm and always had dogs over the years. I was never afraid one would get out and go on a killing rampage.
It’s like having a lion or cougar as a pet - better not let him out or some of the neighbors will go missing! Someone posting on another thread commented that pit bull killings in the US exceeded the number of lions killing people in Africa last year. I don’t know if it’s true, but it seems reasonable because people acknowledge those animals as hazardous and unsuitable for living among people.
How likely is it she would have survived if someone wasn’t home to pull the bigger dog off her?
If it's the Pits a a few other breeds, I'd agree.
LOL. We refer to them as "punters". You figure it out.
I was surprised that even my "gentle" Lab took out a couple of yard Ground Hogs (Broken necks from shaking).
That the "replacement" (the Big Black Dog went to live with my son) half Lab, half Chesapeake, half something else did the same a year later was less of a surprise.
(My garden is happier though...)
Well it is gangbangerside, what do you expect them to raise dogs to do?
That’s what my wife claims to have done to a Beagle beyond his electric fence-less limits while walking by with the world’s most friendly Lab one evening.
That just isn't right to have to have a gun on you in your own yard. I never went back to my friend's house unless I called first and they put the German Shepherd in a pen in their bedroom. Where I live now, in the middle of 61 townhomes, no dog is allowed in our common area unless on a leash. There are no large dogs in here, they are all smaller. However, there is a dachshund across the street and that lady is a friend and had that dog outside so I went to talk with her and had my Yorkie and the dachshund started lunging at Prissy and pulling back and lunging again. Prissy got flat on the ground as small as she could get and was trembling. I had to pick her up because she was scared to death. I had never seen her do that. She is afraid of that dog. One of you dog people who know what that was about, tell me.
When I take her to the groomers she is around dogs and has no reaction to them except being friendly.
MOre places are moving toward criminal convictions. Here’s a link re a man charged with murder following the death of a woman mauled by his dogs:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/07/littlerock-man-to-be-arraigned-in-deadly-pit-bull-mauling/
I’ve seen the way pond scum treat the pit bull breeds. Makes you want to do a little double tap. Not all animals walk on four legs.
Truthfully, after some of the stuff I’ve seen, I’d look the other way if some of these owners got what they deserved....before the authorities arrived.
Dachshunds can be nasty little shiats.
If it’s the owner and not the dog, why are they killing the dogs?
Because we CAN”T kill the owners? Even though that would eliminate more grief down the road.
Yep, it’s amazing how many bad owners own pit bulls.
Not really, considering our society now a days and how the drug, thug culture is promoted by Blacks and Latinos.
My guns are deadly, but they don’t go off on their own.
When pray tell was the last time they were living breathing entities?
It’s mostly just a few breeds. See the table here, a couple screens down.
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php
Lots of serious anti pit data at the site.
Ok. But my comment was about killing people. I’ve never been afraid my dogs would get out and kill people. I keep reading reports of these dogs finding someone sitting, walking, gardening, napping etc. and killing them. The last was a video of a pit charging across a traffic intersection diagonally corner to corner and viciously attacking a small child walking with her mother. That dog’s attack started before he crossed the street. He took that small child down like prey. He didn’t attack the mother first, he went for the tender young. He wasn’t defending or threatened, he was hunting.
Dogs typically bite and release unless they think you are attacking the homestead. Pits are documented breaking out of houses, cars, fences, muzzles and leashes and then roaming until they find someone to maul/kill. This is not domesticated dog behavior. It’s lion or cougar behavior.
Fortunately our cat at the time was much more maneuverable when our neighbors had two of those belly draggers.
“Pit bulls” cover a lot of sub breeds and mixes and can weigh any where from a petite 30 lbs to a all muscle 80lbs. And there are American Bulldogs that get thrown in too.
You ought to consider the possibility of moving.
Some years ago I had a run in with a renter on my street (the problem house for 20 years) over his two rottweilers getting loose when my daughter was outside in our own yard. I (in my 50s) told the arsehole (about 30 and 30 pounds heavier than I) that I would shoot his dogs if they came after my daughter. He went ballistic of course. So I then told him I would, with my bare hands, rip his head from his shoulders and roll it down the street. I said you have no idea of what a father will do to protect his child. Scared the crap out of him. LOL.
I believe that she could be appropriately trained to leave them alone, but may need more practice/training. Learning about the neighbor kids would likely work well in a short time as she is quite friendly with the household cat and other dogs/people who are in the "greater pack".
She doesn't directly attack them, but a couple of them tease her while she is on the 2D backyard overhead run arrangement.
We own an 85 lb Black Lab/Golden Retriever mix and a pit bull attacked my dog while we were out on a walk one night.
The owner was able to get their dog off of mine, but not before she got bit up and had to have over $1000 worth of vet bills. The owner apologized and paid, but I won’t go past their house with my dog.
Having said that, another dog, a pit bull/terrier mix is my dogs best buddy and they play and get along fine. Some dogs are just nasty and aggressive. No clue why.
My daughter fosters Pitties. She’s had some real sweethearts.
Honestly, I don’t think I would object to being given the opportunity to take a bull whip to some of the monsters that abuse these animals. It’s just sickening to the point of gagging to see what they do.
Cesar is someone who will encourage people to adopt pits to save them from biased perception. Some of those people will be maimed and killed for their kindness. Those who own pits who have not attacked yet, will lord it over others by claiming pits need “special owners” and “not everyone can handle a pit” as if they are simply superior. Some of those will go on to be maimed or killed and the others not yet harmed will throw them under the bus too, claiming they must have been bad owners.
Good news for Cesar. Now owners are beginning to face criminal charges for the maulings and killings. It comes too late for so many who are unable to afford the reconstructive surgery or are missing limbs or have been killed because some people fall for the propaganda out of compassion and others need to feel like they are special owners.
When the medical costs and criminal charges are finally attached to the responsible parties, fewer people will be able to or willing to afford owning a “pet” cougar. They may have to resort to less lethal breeds. Rotties are a distant second in yearly killings and maimings of people in the US so they will probably experience a decline in the pet population. It will be merciful, though. The most donated dog to animal shelters is pits followed by rotties. These animals are usually euthanized. When people realize the hype about unfair characterization of these dogs is just hype, they surrender their dog or let them go in the countryside to form packs that prey on animals and people.
One of their owners will probably flame me for saying this, but I think they are totally ugly. When the lady said she was going to get a dog, had no idea she would get that ugly thing. I was in her house a few days ago and the dog was all over me on the couch - he owned that place and paid no attention to the lady owner.
The lady doesn't have a strong personality at all and she would tell the dog to get down and he ignored her. If he had been my dog, I would have dragged him off the visitor and he would not have gotten up there again.
The problem is not that the populace needs to be educated about these dogs. THe problem is that as people become educated about these dogs, they no longer want to accept the medical, legal, and lethal aspects of pit bulls.
When you can prove that the documented deaths and maimings are not happening, that pit bulls are not actually leading the dogbite death toll, then you’d really have something to share. I care about deaths/dismemberments and you care about public relations.
As one who walks their dog and has been attacked 6 times in 6 years by various breeds, I walk with a 5 foot pole with a trident fish spear at the end of it(good for dogs, rattlesnakes, whatever), bear pepper spray, and a small but powerful taser. I carefully choose my routes and time of day for walks. You don’t have to be afraid or start banning EVERYTHING you fear(in my case;drunks, ‘bangers, cornered rattlesnakes, aggressive coyotes, ALL loose dogs..) but one should be smart and be in control of their environment as much as possible. Unfortunately there are risks out there, have been and always will be. If I had my druthers in this stupid state(CA)I would be carrying.
It’s the direct attacks (documented and on video) that I’ve seen so much with this breed.
I think we agree that dogs with children need to be monitored and that some dogs must not be allowed to mix with children.
But video after video, documented accounts all point to pits sport killing. The dogs we had did posses guarding behaviors and defensive aggression. They did not hunt people or pets to kill for sport.
I’ve never had a dog who behaved like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo8z_MO8_SA
It’s like watching a lion single out the baby zebra. I keep seeing this kind of thing with pits. People attacked in houses that the dogs break into (force locked screen doors) or walking down the street. Is it ok to own a screen door or walk down the street? So many accounts of these dogs jumping fences and breaking out of enclosures TO ATTACK and maim someone or their pets. It’s not normal behavior.
Published on Jun 15, 2013
02/Jun/13: Sydney, Australia - The attack was so bad you could see his heart. There has now being a call on an upgrade on dangerous dog breeds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJGcHuX_4ko
“Owning” a Wolf/mix can also be a real problem (based on talking to owners/”dogs” out on the trails in Canada parks).
Yes. I think the reason we don’t see more stats on them is that people deny they are wolfs (often 100%) and that he population is still small.
Pits are about 6% of the pet dog population but are responsible for about 65% of the killings in the US.
I’ve seen pictures of pit bulls that have been bred to have the coloration of rotties. There was an account of a rottie that went on a rampage on a bus that sounded like pit bull level injuries and some people suspiciously noted that the attacking rottie was said to be an adult weighing 40lbs. How many adult rotties weighing 40lbs are there? At the time, it was theorized that the dog was a pit bull with Rottie coloration> That’s why they are breeding the colors that way - to pass as other breeds. Pit bull owners freely lie about the breed of their dog and chide inquirers for not knowing the breed. I’ve seen an obvious pit bull dressed up in baby clothes with a baby pacifier and a pink bonnet. All this faking and lying etc. makes me wonder just how high the pit bull toll really is? Also, a rottweiler is so much bigger yet the pit bull kills more. I think the numbers are worse than they look. People cross pits with other breeds to pass them off as those other breeds when they need to. And all those pits released into the undeveloped areas are breeding freely as well.
And then there is the pitweiler. These are intentional crosses of pit bulls with rottweilers. I imagine that when the blood hits the wall, the owner claims this one is a rottwieler to avoid “Stigmatizing” the pit bull:
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/p/pitweiler.htm
Sadly there are some animals that have just been ruined and there are very very few people who have the time and resources to rehabilitate them. So that leaves euthanasia as the only realistic answer, especially if the have attacked someone. There are a lot of people on this site that want every pit killed and the breed eliminated, but it’s only some people that have destroyed a number of these animals, not the entire breed.
Pit Bulls require discipline, attention and affection. I’ve always advocated responsible ownership. I’ll wager 99.9% of the sensationalized stories in the newspapers(and here) were dogs raised out of negligence and the wrong situation and owner. I can’t provide stats for that, but I will say this, if those animals belonged to me, you never would have heard about them.
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