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Posted on 08/16/2013 12:42:15 PM PDT by greeneyes
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If we lose a few more degrees there will be no fall crop of tomatoes. Squash, zukes, and cukes continue to produce faster than we can eat them, but not enough to make a batch of pickles, and the freezer has no more room.
The corn has been harvested and is almost all eaten(we didn't plant a big patch this year due to concerns over water/drought, because of last year's experience).LOL how wrong can planning be?
Hope all is well with you and yours. Have a great weekend, and God Bless.
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When hubby gets home this afternoon he’s got about 10 ripe pumpkins to pick. I’d pick them but he likes to make sure they’ve got enough stem to last and then he keeps meticulous track of how much they weigh. So I let him do that part. There are probably 10 or 15 more that will be ripe in another couple of weeks. Here in temperate southern MS there’s time for another making. When we pick these pumpkins the vine will sull for another week or so and then put out shoots and set another pumpkin, sometimes two. Those will be ripe sometime early October and it’ll repeat the process. It’s those last squash/pumpkins that we cover with the homemade fencing/plastic tarp teepees to let them ripen after we get a heavy frost in late Oct/early Nov.
I have a sneaky Long of Naples that’s snuck into my corn patch. It’s got a female bloom that will probably open tomorrow. I’m going to have to fertilize that part of the corn patch to make sure they don’t feed to heavily on what the other needs. I’ll probably use the regular algoflash for that.
My rice is 5ft tall and each plant has ~20 pannicles of rice grains. Still smells wonderful at mid day too.
Getting a few tomatoes. Got them out late because frost got the first set in early May. Unheard of this far south.
Getting scads of hot peppers though, they were still in the garage that night. Our low was supposed to be 42 but it was 36 on my back porch that next morning and had gotten even lower in my garden.
Corn is 5ft tall right now. It’s really liking the warm nights we had over the past month. It was 65 at my house first thing this morning. Cooler than normal and todays high was all of 84 degrees. 8deg lower than normal. Feels like early fall here. Hopefully it’ll warm up to upper 80’s or lower 90’s next week. For my garden’s sake.
Sweet potatoes are taking over now too. I wish there was some way you could tell how they were doing underground. We’ll have to wait and see though.
My Kroger ginger is about 1ft tall now it its pots. It’s liked the hot/humid weather we’ve had the past 2 or 3 weeks. I need to remember to feed that when I feed my citrus.
And lastly, the Arbequina olive I got from Jungs has put on a whole bunch of new growth since I gave it a bigger pot. I’m growing it for a potted ornamental for my yard as much as I am to see if it will make olives. We’ll cross our fingers for the latter.
It’s all good this week.
Two things we note:
1. The Emerald Ash borer (originally from China) has killed an estimated 10 million ash trees in southern Ohio and northern Kentucky. I've lost six beautiful 100+ trees this year, with one survivor.
2. The Buckeye trees around here have no buckeye nuts this year. Well, not all are gone, perhaps only one or two per tree and a lot of trees completely devoid of nuts. Not sure the two events are related, but the trees are taking a beating.
On a brighter note, my last post asked for direction with spreading mint plant. Good news is we've hacked it down and contained the system. Thanks to all who provided direction.
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We’re having a bounty of summer squash, cucumbers, basil and little hot peppers. No ripe tomatoes yet, and our prospects are looking slim. Our eggplants have flowers, but nothing more. I hope that next year will be better.
Said another way: Evil predators are in the garden waiting to murder the seeds and I can only protect them in the house where I will be - I will die if I am out in the heat trying to save the seeds from the freaking murdering scum killers in the garden. :o)
I concentrated on the problems yesterday with the help of ApplegateRanch and Black Agnes. I fixed all the problems yesterday with a four foot grow light on a stand. The last I knew, no squirrels and birds are in my house and I think the Yorkie would have a fit if she saw either in the house. Basically, it boils down to this no seed is safe outside any time of the year, period. All seeds will be started under the 4 ft. long grow lamp INSIDE.
Very early spring: After the seeds sprout under the grow lamp in the early spring, they go in the little greenhouse as that zips and the critters cant get the tender plants. After they are a good transplant size, they go in a container on the deck and are covered with net.
August to plant for fall: Any seed is sprouted inside under the grow lamp. and stays there until time to transplant. Cant put them in the greenhouse as they would burn up in 105+ heat and so would I. From the lamp they get put in containers on the deck with netting over them.
I read extensively about this particular grow lamp on a four foot stand. The light will move down and up so the light will be close enough to the plants that they dont grow spindly trunks. This light can be one inch from the seed to warm it. As it grows the light is moved up. There is a pulley to lower and raise the light.
Some customers listed they are growing peppers, tomatoes, lettuce, carrots, onions, spinach, zucchini, basil, eggplant, broccoli, spinach. Some are growing lettuce in the winter and keeping it under the light to eat then. This is the four foot model, not the two foot.
I ordered mine from Walmart on line as they are selling the four foot one for the same price, plus a few cents, as the two foot one. I suppose they will find their error at some point but mine is bought. Ill pick it up at the store next week for free shipping.
I have every seed I need for spring, except by spring I need blackberry and strawberry plants and the new On Deck Corn seed when they become available. I found a place to get Chandler strawberry plants in pots, not just the roots as most places send. Ordered those today to plant in Sept.. They start sending orders the last of August. Have a place to order two year Ouachita Blackberry plants so they should produce this coming year. The berry and corn plants will all be in solid containers or grow bags on the deck.
I now have three Mortgage Lifter tomato plants in the big tomato container, and five in 5 gal. grow bags and one in a bucket to take to rightly_dividing tomorrow. He has made me a dolly for my barrel to grow the squash.
A MIRACLE: The Tromboncino squash seed I dug up with a spoon to see if it had died, had just split the seed pod and I figured I killed it by digging it up out of the little cup. I put it in the greenhouse and low and behold, the thing grew through the soil to a good one inch tall with two leaves showing. I moved it out of there a while ago as the heat was making the leaves not look good. I will be moving them in and out of the roofed deck to get some sun then back under the roof. I really hope that grow lamp puts an end to this method.
50 degrees - man, that sounds good as I am sweating in Texas. Hope you don’t lose tomatoes, though.
You’ve really done a lot of research.
I had a packet of that On Deck corn but it got damp somehow and sprouted in the packet. It arrived in good condition but I suspect one of my children was involved with the ‘damp’ part. I’ll probably get another packet next year if they’re selling it.
I have to ask where you’re getting the Chandler strawberry plants that are in pots.
You have an olive small tree? You can grow rice - that is just amazing to me.
You could grow rice too. Turns out you don’t need a paddy.
I started the seeds by soaking them in warm water for 48hrs and then planting the ones that weren’t floating in a seed tray with 128 divots. 3w later I planted those out 12” square with 1 plant per square foot. I then did the paper/hay mulch thing. Put down osmocote under them before I put them in though and when I got done I watered them in with algoflash regular. I’ve only had to water them 2 times this summer so far. It’s been really damp compared to normal for this area.
Jungs sells those olive trees and they had a sale back in May or June plus I had a 10% coupon. I think I paid $13 for it and they’re normally ~$30 there and everywhere else I can find them. It’s a pretty ornamental tree though. I plan to get it a really nice huge ornamental pot and put it in my front near my front door. Hubby’s got a moving dolly that we’ll put it in the garage with if the temps get below 25 or so.
Chandler strawberries in pots are below. Twenty-five plants for $24.95. I think being in tiny pots will help keep them from stress when planted. They do start mailing them the last part of August. I found this place yesterday.
I know I likely bored you to death with all the posts I made yesterday, but I had to solve the problems I had if I was going to have any success doing this.
I’m certainly not bored by gardening posts. If I don’t reply it’s probably because my kids are up to something or I’m cooking.
Or I’m in the middle of reading some journals.
I found this one that helped me understand corn:
One more surprise. I planted a Sesame flower seed in a large pot in the dirt garden and covered it with net. That was a month or more ago and I don’t remember if I planted one seed or more seed. That plant grew in spite of me and now it’s getting tall with lovely green healthy leaves. The thing is, there are two stalks coming out of the soil. I don’t know if that is one flower with two stalks or two flowers. If it keeps living, it will have long pods with sesame seeds to eat.
Johnny, I sent you some of those seeds. Did yours do anything?
I got Asian pears ,, oodles more after using netting.. still losing some to maggots but still nigh a bumper crop considering.
Just a quick update to my rabbit problem question from last week>
I decided against putting used kitty litter around the beds as the smell would definitely keep me away.
Someone had mentioned that rabbits on’t cross dried blood I had a bag that I got for soil amendment, so I put that around all the areas where Mr. Bunbun was munching. So far, it’s keeping the rabbits at bay. Not sure if i’ll have to reapply it, but for know it’s bye-bye bunnies.
Sounds like a really great year for your garden. We have had some good stuff this year, but disappointments too. Biggest of which is the dying peach trees, and the goji berry bushes.
Last year, the goji bushes did very very well, and were superbly drought resistant. This year they keep being cut off or the leaves chewed up. Insects supposedly don’t love them, so they are supposed to be kinda easy and trouble free.
Last year they were A OK. This year not so much. Doubt they will have the strength to survive the winter.
What is the name of that weather guy that you have talked about? The one that says we are in a 1950s weather pattern, and doesn’t believe in the Global Warming stuff so much?
Joe Bastardi. Love him!
So many unwelcome things from other countries. It’s really sad about your trees, but glad the thread was helpful for your mint issues.
I will be canning these later this afternoon. They are darn Yummy fresh.
If we could just take an average between us, the weather would be just about perfect for this time of the year.LOL
I see where you got a larger grow light system than you were originally looking at. I actually have 2 of the 2 ft. models, because of space issues.
I use mine year round. Spring sprouting, and winter fruit/veggies that don’t do well outside under cover in the winter time. I especially like to have a little lettuce, spinach and tomatoes to use on sandwiches in the winter.
With my raised beds, I only spend about 10 minutes in the AM and another 10 minutes right at dusk. Almost zero weeds. Stuff is close enough that I can tap on the window to chase off critters.
The other beds are shaded in the afternoon and located next to the fenced play yard. I turn the dog out often during the day which scares the critters. Hubby’s gardening is another story.
He has patches all over the yard and the orchard, as well as the lawn. He loves working out doors, and is heat tolerant, but he is a card carrying member of the Choctaw Tribe-I am just a pale face.LOL
Sorry, I wasn’t online yesterday till zero dark thirty. It has been a busy week, and I have just had to sneak in a few minutes here and there.
Glad you got it all figured out.
Sesame seeds. They are a great source of Calcium aren’t they? I have never grown them, but IIRC, from my research earlier I might have to try it. Non dairy sources of calcium are always of interest to me for a more self sufficient diet.
Sounds good. Do you freeze, dehydrate, or can any of them?
So was that soil amendment Blood Meal or something else?
Thanks for the link. I remembered that his name was Joe and the last name started with a B. How could I have forgotten the rest?LOL
I bet the libs drop the i in his last name when they talk about him. I’ve seen him on Fox News with Cavuto. I like him too. Makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for the pictures RD. I bet you are glad to be back home, and next year, you’ll be eating those home grown maters and stuff.
Have you thought about what kind you’ll plant yet? Stupice or Arkansas Travelers maybe?
Well, I promised to update on some things I was going to experiment with this year.
First, my barley patch was disastrous. I don’t use Round-Up but the plot planted needed more mechanical cultivation before planting. The weed competition was simply too much. The canary grass outstripped the barley and the nitrogen was insufficient to produce stalks any taller than a foot or so. Heads varied on the two-row Conlon with as little as ten grains up to thirty or thereabouts. It was tilled under and we’ll give it another more prepared shot next season.
Hops are coming in and doing beautifully. Some cones are nearly an inch and a half in length and shedding lupulin like pollen. I look forward to some nice ales this winter.
Finally, all my bean plots were literally under water well into the planting season and even after were in a state like oatmeal or play-dough. Genuine tilling condition didn’t arrive until nearly July 7th (the cut-off here for corn). No real dry beans for the table this year (I had 18 varieties I wanted to trial).
Good news is the fantastic green bean crop - tender and sweet! I guess the kitchen garden has really been the success this year (mainly raised beds) and food for garden suppers is in abundance.
Also, despite cold and rain for the pollination period on the apple orchard and the lack of bees, we had good pollination and many set blossoms. The fall crop will be very nice and we’re enjoying Northwestern Greenings (not to be confused with Northwest Greening apples) in pies, sauce and other cooking methods.
One last magnificent crop this year - mosquitoes! Never seen the buggers this numerous or fierce. We go with head nets and spray - always. Looking forward to a good frost . . .
I hope you all are having a wonderful summer and anticipating the best bounty you’ve ever labored for.
No no no .. picked fresh , best et quick born a few days?. I wish I could make pies.
The label says “Dried Blood”.
I purchased it at our local agway in the organic fertilizer department.
Thank God for green beans. LOL Always our most reliable and prolific crop. My experiment with Amaranth was similar to your barley.
Will try it again next year, but a little different soil mix etc.
WeedZ R the enemy. pick a handful and sleep better tonight.
wish I could make pies.
Why can’you make pies?
I’ve been wanting to get another fig tree. What variety is it? We had one until they dug it up to put in the driveway. I wanted it transplanted but it was trashed before I knew it. They also trashed the blackberry bushes.
Here, we’ve had some sort of strange wetness falling from the skies the past couple days. Almost a inch worth. It’s been so long since we’ve had any that mud was dripping off the roof. The temp has dropped to 99!!! Hey, it’s under three digits so I’ll take it.
I need to put up some pickles tomorrow because the cucumbers are getting ahead of me. I had two gallons of strawberries that had been in the freezer forever so am thawing them in the fridge. Guess they’ll be reincarnated into preserves. I put up some corn cob jelly the other day and have been using it on toast and sopapillas, yum.
Still, the only tomatoes we’re getting are the yellow pears which aren’t my favorite (I’m not complaining). Two are growing up a tree and headed to the roof, well, except for where deer pruned the other night. Still having to yank out the volunteers because I’m out of cages and just don’t want to mess with them. I got a grand total of 4 little black cherry tomatoes this week and saved some seeds just in case. None of the other varieties are doing a thing. Same ol’ same ol’ story all summer - some over my head and some still only a foot or two tall but not a tomato in sight.
Did everyone see the posts on FR about the Arlington, TX SWAT raiding a rural garden? Better keep your garden well weeded, use only government approved planters, use caution when hiding, um, shading your legal tomato and okra plants and don’t tick off your neighbors or else!
Geeesh,, rub it it, why dontcha,, got any chokecherry jelly? Rhubarb? Welllll, get cracking..
Native Minnesotan here, grew up around farm and 4 H gardens..
I can search high and low but never find some of the stuff that takes me to my nest. . How the fishing? I used to catch a lot of sunnies in the weeds, .. some nice harvests,, fried in butter. Yummy .
I will definitely be planting Arkansas Travelers and some Marion I will have to think about others.
Thanks for the link bgill. I did see that story. I hope the garden owners sue for all they can get. The laws on this stuff need to be repealed or at least change to be more protective of citizen’s rights.
You mentioned corn cobb jelly, so you know that obligates you to share the recipe-right???
I know.. all my sisters were legitimate crusty gals in the kitchen, I had a few aunts that were just good,, keep in mind my experiences were most memorable as a yout’.. :-)
I miss the smell,, I need to make a hajj to minniesoda and savor lefsa and kolachi. Awww, my yout’ .. lucky I exercised a lot. :-)
I did the tomato leather. LOL..it took about 10 hours. I put the juiced tomatoes in 2 pyrex pans. The pan on the lower shelf became a wonderful dust and chunks, after I pryed it loose from the greased pan. The second came out dampish dry but did curl as I pushed it from one end of the pan to the other. One is in a jar and the other is in a plastic zip lock bag. One on the shelf, labled and the other in the freezer, labeled.
Corn cob jelly? Lol
New one on me.
One bright exception with my grain experimenting was the Einkorn wheat. My first pilot plot in has been cut but not threshed. The second plot (much bigger) will need a mild fall to ripen. Looking forward to making bread Christ might have eaten. Also, a gluten intolerant god-daughter may be able to eat it. We’ll see . . .
I am just now in a severe thunderstorm warning with winds 60+ and hail possible. Warning says to report any tornado sighted. Rain has now started. The warning unless they extend it should be over in 30 minutes - this thing is headed into north Houston from here.
I liked those travelers that I planted last year. I had some started this year, but they didn’t survive the delayed transplanting, and then I ran out of room to plant more.
Haven’t ever had any marions.
The rain is blowing sideways, not coming down straight - lots of wind out there and lightning.
I may lose power due to lightning - the thunder is very loud.
My Dad made all the pies at my parents bar and grill and for thanksgiving too.
If you can read a cook book, you can make pies, providing you want to tackle it.LOL
No chokecherry jelly yet, but my wife’s Nero Aronias are bearing a few berries for the first time. Next year we should have some.
Rubarb went into pie with strawberries back in June. Feeding it manure for the coming year. I put the Star and Tribune on it - just kidding (sort of).
No fishing. Haven’t wet a line in nearly fifteen years. Kids, job and homestead keep me pretty busy. However, we’ve been discussing what we really want to do and our priorities are being shifted to the family instead of projects. Maybe I will get a line in the water soon with the family. Sunny filets fried with cracker crumbs are, indeed, gourmet fare. The bite like crazy in the early summer in the shallows while beginning their spawn. I used to catch them on a bamboo pole with a spider fly - great fun.
The fig tree in the pictures is an unknown variety. It was sent to me, bare root, 3 or 4 years ago by FReeper gardengirl. It is from coastal North Carolina. I named it Gardengirl. I also have a Brown Turkey and a Celeste tree but they are not doing as well as the Gardengirl.