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Oprah: 'It's Ridiculous to Look at Zimmerman Case and Not Think Race Was Involved'
newsbusters ^ | August 16, 2013 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 08/16/2013 1:45:08 PM PDT by JoeProBono

Ten days after claiming the premeditated lynching of Emmett Till almost 60 years ago was the same thing as George Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin in what jurors determined was self-defense, Oprah Winfrey Thursday continued to inject racism into this issue.

Appearing on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, Winfrey said, "It's ridiculous to look at that case and not to think that race was involved" (video follows with transcript and commentary):

ANDERSON COOPER, HOST: I spoke at length to Forest Whitaker and Oprah Winfrey about the film and about race in America, particularly after the Trayvon Martin case. Here's part of that interview.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: You talked about this coming at an important time. Certainly there has been, in the wake of the Trayvon Martin case, a discussion about race in this country. That -- it's interesting. I saw a Gallup poll recently that the majority of African-Americans say this is a discussion which needs to be had. A majority of whites say too much is being made of this discussion.

OPRAH WINFREY: I know, I know.

COOPER: How do you -- what do you...

WINFREY: That's why I love the film, in light of this discussion, is because it brings context to the discussion. When you look at the film, beginning with that lynching scene and ending with, you know, walking into Obama's office, look at what has happened in the span of one man's lifetime, in our country.

FORREST WHITAKER: This movie reminds us that the circular motion of things is trying to work themselves out, is still going on, as in Emmett Till. And now we're looking at Trayvon. We're looking at Oscar Grant, looking at all these situations and recognizing that we have to move ourselves forward in order for us to achieve our potential or what we said we're going to do.

WINFREY: And the truth of the matter is, Emmett Till became a symbol for those times, as Trayvon Martin has become a symbol for this time. I mean, there are multiple Trayvon Martins whose names never make the newspapers or the headlines. The circumstances surrounding that allowed it to be, but there were multiple Emmett Tills. There were multiple lynchings. There were multiple, you know, young black boys...

(CROSSTALK)

WINFREY: ... whose names are not remembered and often not even reported.

COOPER: It's interesting to me, though, how people from different backgrounds see this. I talked to a juror on the Trayvon Martin case, who clearly did not understand or did not feel linked to Trayvon Martin; felt connected to George Zimmerman in a way but not to Trayvon Martin. And I wonder if she felt race was not part of this case at all. I'm just wondering...

WINFREY: People feel that it's race, because they don't call it race. That's not what they call it. They don't say, oh -- because you know what I found, too? A lot of people, if think they're not using the "N" word themselves, they actually physically are not using the "N" word themselves, and do not have, harbor ill will towards black people, that it's not racist. But, you know, to me it's ridiculous to look at that case and not to think that race was involved.

Really?

Maybe Oprah should read what McClatchy reported on July 12:

After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Det. Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the circumstances — but not his race. [...]

Federal agents interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors and co-workers, but none said Zimmerman had expressed racial animus at any time prior to the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, a black teen, in a confrontation at a Sanford housing complex. As Sanford police investigated the circumstances of Martin’s death, the FBI opened a parallel probe to determine if Martin’s civil rights had been violated.

Several co-workers said they had never seen Zimmerman display any prejudice or racial bias. [...]

In all, the FBI interviewed 35 people about Zimmerman, from current and former co-workers to neighbors and an ex-girlfriend. [...]

The U.S. Department of Justice and FBI stepped in about a month after the killing, as protesters nationwide criticized the investigation. The original probe was conducted by police in Sanford, the central Florida community where Zimmerman lives and Trayvon was visiting while suspended from school.

Beyond this, it was widely reported outside the race-baiting press that Zimmerman: opened an insurance office with a black friend; took a black girl to his senior prom; has black relatives; tutored and mentored black children in his neighborhood, and; launched a campaign to help a black homeless man that had been beaten by a white kid.

Yet despite this, and despite the FBI finding no evidence of any racial bias in Zimmerman whatsoever, folks like Winfrey are still going on national television claiming, "It's ridiculous to look at that case and not to think that race was involved."

No, what's ridiculous is people making claims that are just not supported by what investigators found.

What's also ridiculous was Cooper letting her get away with this and not bringing up what the FBI discovered.

Would that have been too much like journalism for him?

Sheesh!


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: blackkk; blackracism; democrats; florida; georgezimmerman; oprah; racecard; racepimp; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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1 posted on 08/16/2013 1:45:09 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Hey Orca Winfrey, I think its ridiculous that you think race was involved.


2 posted on 08/16/2013 1:46:55 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: JoeProBono

ophrah’s correct race was involved Martin was a racist thug.


3 posted on 08/16/2013 1:47:35 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: JoeProBono

Well Oprah if you want race involved, then race WILL be involved.


4 posted on 08/16/2013 1:48:24 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: JoeProBono

Yo O, stfu and go away, you’re 15 minutes was up a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time ago.


5 posted on 08/16/2013 1:48:25 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: JoeProBono

Shamefully lifts my hand ad a white woman who was duped by this racis b*tch.


6 posted on 08/16/2013 1:49:11 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: JoeProBono

Oprah is turning into Debbie Wasserman-Schultz with a suntan. A gem a week from her now seems to be the norm.


7 posted on 08/16/2013 1:49:28 PM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: JoeProBono
Oprah: 'It's Ridiculous to Look at Zimmerman Case and Not Think Race Was Involved'

Yeah, but Oprah took the rorschach test, all she saw was racism.

9 posted on 08/16/2013 1:49:59 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: JoeProBono

She Lies!


10 posted on 08/16/2013 1:50:40 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bkopto

Race was involved. Apparently purple drank is a drug of choice enjoyed by black yout like Trayvon.


11 posted on 08/16/2013 1:50:46 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: JoeProBono

Hey Oprah . . . STFU! You have lost any credibility that you assumed you had!!!!!!


12 posted on 08/16/2013 1:50:51 PM PDT by rhubarbk (It's official, I'm suffering from Obama fatigue!)
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To: JoeProBono

Yes Oprah, when you are a racist yourself, you do see race involved in every issue.
But there really was race involved here. If Zimmerman had been black, this trial would not have happened at all.


13 posted on 08/16/2013 1:51:06 PM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: bkopto

Black people think that race plays a prominent role in every intra-racial interaction. Black people are the most race obsessed people.


14 posted on 08/16/2013 1:51:10 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: JoeProBono

Oprah is a stupid cow.
Race was not involved. CULTURE was involved. In one corner, you have thug “culture” - Trayvon Martin. In the other corner you have responsible, middle class adult culture - George Zimmerman.
I am just glad the good guys won this one.


15 posted on 08/16/2013 1:51:26 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: ScottinVA

OUTSTANDING!


16 posted on 08/16/2013 1:51:49 PM PDT by rhubarbk (It's official, I'm suffering from Obama fatigue!)
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To: bkopto

Of course race was involved. If Zimmerman could not be (falsely) portrayed as white, nobody would have ever heard of Trayvon Martin.


17 posted on 08/16/2013 1:52:03 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: JoeProBono
The case went to trial due to intense partisan pressure by some folks who make a profit from racial strife. We had to endure months of biased reporting and sometimes artful editing by the msm. The jury has spoken, get over it Oprah!
18 posted on 08/16/2013 1:52:12 PM PDT by blaveda (blaveda)
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To: JoeProBono

The only thing more ridiculous is looking at Oprah and not realizing how much money she has made from the white women who got her where she is today.


19 posted on 08/16/2013 1:52:13 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: JoeProBono

She’s right. The Race baiters and hustlers came crawling out of the woodwork to beatify young St. Skittles.

Opra and her ilk are the Racists here.


20 posted on 08/16/2013 1:53:38 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: JoeProBono

Everything is always about race to racists. How surprising is that?


21 posted on 08/16/2013 1:53:52 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Little Ray
"Oprah is a stupid cow."

Hey! You apologize to cows everywhere!

22 posted on 08/16/2013 1:53:56 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: JoeProBono

Hey Oprah, it’s ridiculous to look at your face not think in-breeding was involved.


23 posted on 08/16/2013 1:54:27 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: JoeProBono

If we really want to boil it down then it involved assholes.

Zimmerman: “These assholes always get away.”


24 posted on 08/16/2013 1:54:48 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: JoeProBono
'It's Ridiculous to Look at Zimmerman Case and Not Think Race Was Involved'

Oh, go buy a handbag you racist piece of [comment deleted].

25 posted on 08/16/2013 1:54:58 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: JoeProBono

Yes, Doprah, everyone involved injected race into this story except George Zimmerman.


26 posted on 08/16/2013 1:55:54 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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Yeah Free Willy, race sure was a factor.
A black yute was pounding on a Latino in the dark after deciding to come back outside for a fight...and he paid for committing assault.
Nice fail there Free Willy on looking at the facts.
Perhaps if you looked at the white guy who got pounded on and robbed by 50 black yutes instead?
No?


27 posted on 08/16/2013 1:56:19 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: newfreep

I apologize to all cows.
They are not stupid, just delicious.


28 posted on 08/16/2013 1:56:24 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: JoeProBono

“My movie’s coming out soon! Listen to me! Put my name in the papers!”


29 posted on 08/16/2013 1:56:41 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: JoeProBono

Sarge: ‘It’s Ridiculous to Look at Oprah’s Adipose Ass and Not Think Fatback Was Involved’


30 posted on 08/16/2013 1:57:03 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: JoeProBono
The media--most of the media, anyway--having little common sense, and unable to question the absurd premises with which they were indoctrinated in college--are doing their damnedest to stir up racial hatred in America, under the pretense of fighting it. This is beyond merely contemptible.

Everything is being turned upside down. No one but demagogues & scoundrels will benefit, but that has been the history of the left inspired racial conversation in the media for the past 60 years.

William Flax

31 posted on 08/16/2013 1:57:36 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: JoeProBono; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Yeah, we knew that from the time George Zimmerman was smeared by the racist partisan media shills (like Oprah) and then indicted.

BTW, she’s clearly gearing up for a Presidential campaign, so don’t say you haven’t been warned.

Thanks JoeProBono.


32 posted on 08/16/2013 1:58:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: JoeProBono

It’s ridiculous to look at Big Momma and think stupidity is not involved.


33 posted on 08/16/2013 1:59:57 PM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Old Sarge
Good one, Sarge, but how about this:

It's ridiculous to look at Oprah's a$$ and not think cheeseburgers, fries, and milkshakes were not involved.

34 posted on 08/16/2013 2:02:45 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: JoeProBono

‘It’s Ridiculous to Look at Zimmerman Case and Not Think Race Was Involved’

Why?

Opra, you are projecting.


35 posted on 08/16/2013 2:03:27 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: JoeProBono

‘Blue car syndrome’: If you’re thinking of buying a blue car, you start noticing all the blue cars on the road.
For most of us, though, the newness wears off—we stop thinking about blue cars.
Okra must be a racist if that’s all she thinks about. Shame on her.


36 posted on 08/16/2013 2:03:41 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: JoeProBono

Trayvon profiled Z-Man as a creepy-ass cracka and jumped him, so yeah.


37 posted on 08/16/2013 2:07:36 PM PDT by Argus
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To: JoeProBono

It’s ridiculous to look at Oprah and not think of her as a racist.


38 posted on 08/16/2013 2:08:21 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: JoeProBono

Well, perhaps the fat negress is saying race was involved because it was highly unlikely a white person would be skulking around at night wearing a hoodie. Or that one would double back and attack someone keeping an eye on them.


39 posted on 08/16/2013 2:08:45 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: JoeProBono; All

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To: ElRushbo@eibnet.com
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:33 PM
Subject: Re Reception report 2

Subject:The Dual Purpose for the “Targeting” of George Zimmerman

The truth and dual purpose behind the Zimmerman persecution .. The regime and the media set the premise for the trial narrative and their presentations ignoring the setting where the incident took place..An area having a “Neighborhood Watch”...The first was to gin up the base for purposes explained herein but there was another second agenda..

If some of those so called conservative talk show hosts had interviewed guests who run such watches and had the courage to fight PC and defend Zimmerman they would have exposed the regime and the media for the frauds they are. The few who are still “milking this”. I’ve heard Gallagher and Hannity play these games,accepting black callers and let them rant .But fail to cite the simple facts outlined and documented here, ask them what has Obama done for you? Then dismiss them as unfortunately being used and deliberately mis-informed.Saddly Particularly a “gated” neighborhood watch.When you enter one of these and start wandering around no matter if you are white, blue, red, green, or black. You can be asked your purpose for being there. You are on private property. And yes those on patrol can and do leave their vehicle and follow on foot if they lose sight of the person they’re observing..That’s the Watch Captain’s who is really a security guard’s job.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3054721/posts

It’s the second time the President of the United States has interjected himself into a confrontation between those in authority on legal grounds reasonably questioned and released someone involved in a curious activity in a patrolled area. Could this attitude be based from the idealized communist concept that there is no such thing as “private” property because the state (collective) owns the land ? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3042477/posts and is the second purpose of selecting this episode to paint a target on Zimmerman’s back http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3054815/posts

In both cases those representing “authority” were reported as “white” . In the second case the person working security was attacked on private rights of way while on foot who discontinued an observation and was returing to his vehicle after being suggested by the police to do so. Legally he could have approached Saint Trayvon but didn’t..The hooded tall figure was allowed to continue on his way.unimpeded. But didn’t. That figure turned out to be a Martin Trayvon who doubled back and attacked the “neighborhood watch” worker as he was returing to his vehicle. Knocked him to the ground and began beating him severly. Saint Trayvon, the attacker, was subsequently killed in a struggle over the Neighborhood Watchman’s legal pistol.

In the second case both were dark skined.

The facts of this case are still being shamefully being concealed by the media to the extent they are advancing and are complicit in permitting a putrid injstice of the worst order,organized and instituted by our governent, to be committed .While denied. It began as a miscalculation when a surname of a Jewish origin shot up and lighted the heavens like a star shell in the darkest of nights. It would have been difused if the media used pictures of both side by side because they look like cousins. And the area where this occured of paycheck to paycheck struggling homeowners of all races trying to protect themselves had been reported and not some ritzy all white enclave.they portrayed..Worse yet the media is still pilling it on with ABC editing a a black jury members (remember when they were all white)t remarks to make it sound like she accused Zimmerman of murder .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3048225/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3048631/posts

The result as we have seen is that another marxist axiom (division) has been implemented which has resulted with gangs of black youths murdering happless whites and “hispanics” who happen into areas usually where a black population is the majority. Those media outlets who by their delberate misuse of the instrument of the 1st amendment are just as complicit in those deaths as the regime is. They had the duty but not the obligation to verify and report factually but instead quoted the reports from various “mainlining” socialist media sources: Some examples here all of which serve the first purpose of selecting Zimmerman as the target.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3050362/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051180/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053410/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3054544/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3051488/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053620/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053643/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053332/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051525/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051108/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3050590/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3049789/posts

The Secondary Purpose

Using propaganda from the party that hypenated itself from God at their 2012 convention into demo-coms, and believe that all groups should be hyphenated , Afro-American, Hispanic-American, etc..Decided Zimmerman to be the egg that is to be broken,. sacrificed, so that we have an omlet..

Just like Stalin did to the Ukrainian land owners known as Kulacks whom he executed, (and used that egg example) in a soclal engineering plan to organize collectives during a Russian drought..Because as we have learned there seems to be the intention to use a collective data base to create collectives.where a utopia of uniforimity of conformity exists. As was done in Detroit, and Oakland California.only this time a poor whitey or blacky won’t be able to move. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053314/posts.

Just as with the energy plan where the cost of fuel used for energy and transportation and that includes raising the price of transporting gas and oil by rail, that favors a key contributer (Buffett) while the regime has been recently ridiculing the impact the completion of a pipeline, has skyrocketed those costs. Placing many on fixed or limited incomes dependent on government handouts. Resulting from this regimes socialist policies which go blameless. Now call for the sacrifice of Zimmerman who must die for another communist plan.. We all move together in centers designed and approved by comrades running the collective who (just like Obamacare aren’t in it) won’t ever live there.

What could the first purpose be ?

What better way to cover up Bengahzi, Fast and furious, IRS, Wind and Solar panel gate, NSA spying on US, Over-riding the constittution? Don’t look into who accompaines Obama on his many trips around the world at taxpayer expence ? Were they the heavy hitters or their friends holding the president’s hand isn’t that pay back at US taxpayer expence?. Isn’t that an impeachable offense ??

Now if somebody even suggests impeachment. Get to your black base voters, whom you’ve done nothing for,.all worked up. Pick on some security guard who’s doing his job. Accuse him of being racist ,even though he is part black..But his last name sounds “jewish.”Who’s doing surveilance in an mixed race area of modest means a where there’s been robberies and burgalries by young blacks. Now call that surveilance stalking, the area he’s patrolling owned by rich whities,and the guard of course he’s white.That person he’s watching a 10 year old black kid and a saint ,not six foot two 165 pound 16 year old, who gets killed fighting over a gun. . Now put a target on the security guards back .Ain’t that neat ? What better way to discourage any investigation into malfeasance and corruption by organizing the base for riots in the streets ? Think it’s too far fetched ? Think it’s not working ? Look again http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051558/posts

To date the political opposition has yet to mention or comment on this example of how this regime operates. Time to ask them why ?

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You are encouraged to Print up or email -pass it on....Why ? Time to expose citizens to the face the facts that they may believe whatever activity they get involved in is perfectly legitimate and legal. If it suits their purposes this regime and its adhearants will paint a target on their back.


40 posted on 08/16/2013 2:12:52 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: SunkenCiv

41 posted on 08/16/2013 2:13:22 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Oprah is a race hustler. She made her fortunes from the divisiveness of race and it is in her financial best interest to ensure the embers of racial strife keep glowing.


42 posted on 08/16/2013 2:15:35 PM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: JoeProBono

|Sure it was. Zimmerman was Hispanic and Martin was black. It went no further than that.


43 posted on 08/16/2013 2:16:38 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: TigersEye
Yes, Doprah, everyone involved injected race into this story except George Zimmerman.

The MSM tried the case based on racism just like they did with the Duke Lacrosse case. The prosecution tried the case based on racism just like Mike Nifong did with the Duke Lacrosse case. Al Sharpton and Je$$e Jack$on tried the case based on racism just like they did with the Duke Lacrosse case. The Zimmerman Defense tried the case based on evidence just like the Defense in the Duke Lacrosse case did. The racists all lost in both cases. Hmmm

44 posted on 08/16/2013 2:16:51 PM PDT by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: JoeProBono

It’s ridiculous to look at an old black bag in a shop and think race not involved.


45 posted on 08/16/2013 2:17:34 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sad fact is, if she runs, she wins.


46 posted on 08/16/2013 2:18:13 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: JoeProBono

whose names are not remembered and often not even reported. .............................................. Errrr? Could that be like Antonio West??? Oh, wait, that definitely was a robbery attempt which had nothing to do about Race. Riiiiiiiight!


47 posted on 08/16/2013 2:19:12 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods? Glenn Doherty ? Forgot already?)
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To: JoeProBono

Exactly!

Trayvon jumped George Zimmerman becasue he thought he was a white Hispanic.

He was a purple use because he was black.

We are all George Zimmerman; whites and Hispanics.


48 posted on 08/16/2013 2:20:43 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The reason we are where we are today is the belief that posting on a website will fix the nation.)
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To: JoeProBono

I guess Orca finally decided she’s made all the money she can off of whitey...so reason for her to hide her true colors any longer.


49 posted on 08/16/2013 2:20:56 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: immadashell

That’s a good sign but it’s disturbing that they get as far as they do on nothing more than demagoguery. It sure says something that the best the race hustlers can do is to scrape up phony cases like those.


50 posted on 08/16/2013 2:23:16 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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