Skip to comments.Mr. 4,000: Ichiro Suzuki reaches 4,000 hits !
Posted on 08/21/2013 6:58:36 PM PDT by sushiman
It didn't take long for Ichiro Suzuki to get his 4,000th career hit Wednesday night. The Yankees outfielder singled through the left side of the infield on the second pitch of the at bat from knuckleballer R.A. Dickey.
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congrats to Ichiro....but you still a Mariner to we few Mariners fan...as are Randy Johnson,Tino Martinex, Omar Visquel,and all the rest of the Yankee team down the years who used Seattle as their launching board....but not Pay rod...you can keep Payrod...
Hope he can get 3000 in the US. He should be able to do it if he can stay healthy. Even if he doesn’t, he will be the first Japanese player in the Hall of Fame.
WOW! Congratulations to Ichiro! One of the greatest players
in the history of baseball.
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I was at the Yankees game tonite. The Trenton game. nothing noteworthy.
I still wouldn’t vote for him, not yet.
There’s still one player with more hits than him who’s not in the HOF - and that’s Omar Vizquel at 2877 hits. Ichiro has 2721.
Folks with more hits than Ichiro not in the HOF:
Omar Vizquel: 2877
Harold Baines: 2866
Johnny Damon: 2769
Vada Pinson: 2757
Al Oliver: 2743
He needs 60+ WAR and 2900 hits to make my hall of fame.
Ichiro needs 279 hits still. 2 more seasons at 140. He’ll have to play and stay injury free 2 more years to do it.
Thanks for the information. I didn’t have the luxury of seeing Ichiro play that much (metro Detroit...Tiger fan), but when I did see him on television I always paid attention to whatever he was doing. He seemed as dynamic a player in all aspects of the game as any I have seen.
He looks like one of those guys who could play until he’s 50.
Did anyone else notice the wording: his 4,000th “professional” hit. Just what does this mean? Does it include any and all time he had as a professional in the minor leagues? If so, Stan Musial, Ty Cobb and Pete Rose probably have some additional hits to be noted.
His career batting average is .320 Omar Vizquel’s was only .272. Ichiro is easily a HOF member when his time comes.
The number of hits is not the only measure taken into consideration.
Ichiro played professionally in Japan for many years. They’re including those hits in the total.
He’d better hope it doesn’t drop. .316 is the cutoff. Nomar had .314 and I don’t see anyone calling him a HOFer.
He’s also, for the first time, been a below average player in OPS+ and is a lifetime OPS+ of 112, meaning he’s, over his career, about 12 percent better of a hitter than his peers. Last year he was about 15 percent worse than the average MLB player.
That’s the same as Glenallen Hill over 13 seasons, and he’s an Outfielder. Those are good numbers - for a shortstop, but he’s not a shortstop.
He’s a good player - just hasn’t done enough yet to make the HOF.
Look at the current bunch, if folks like Maddux aren’t in, Ichiro isn’t going to have a chance.
Not unless you like losing. He’s already a below average MLB player. He’ll finish out his contract, but I don’t see him getting another after that.
He’s gonna have to rack up whatever he can do for another month and a bit here - plus two years to get to 3k. With 20 more hits, he would have to get 135-140 a year for two more years.
Nomar only had 1700 career hits. Really no comparison there. He was also a juicer.
Ichiro averages 217 hits a year. Even Pete Rose averaged less than 200.
And Maddux is a first ballot lock if there ever was one.
To put it in perspective at 39 - Charlie Hustle had his first season, ever, below average at 94 percent of the average MLB player. He played one full season, two above 150 games after 39.
So his decline is faster than Charlie Hustle.
He’s done better this year - by fixing up his defensive side of the ball, but he was a liability to both the Yankees and Mariners in 2011 and 2012.
So he’s still contributing, just not very much. About .6 WAR/year, which is worth about 3 million a year. The Yankees have so far taken a loss of about 2 million a year on Ichiro’s contract.
If Ichiro’s willing to work for minimum, he’ll play longer, but it’s a good question as to how long he’ll play and what kind of contract he’ll get.
“And Maddux is a first ballot lock if there ever was one.”
Kenny Lofton’s who’s had a better career than Ichiro didn’t even stay on the ballot.
67 WAR. One of the all time snubs.
If Ichiro gets 3k, he’ll be in. Right now, he’s borderline. Hall average is about 60 WAR, so he’s slightly under the average.
Ichiro basically needs to stay healthy and hit 140 hits over 2 years and he’ll be in. He passes Vizquel and he’ll have a shot, IMO.
You must take ARoid or waive all claims to the rest. It is written.
He would work well in Detroit hitting in front of Cabrera, Fielder, Martinez.
Hunter, Jackson, Dirks are in the outfield for the Tigers. Even rotating in and out as the opposing pitching situation warrants or (injuries to our outfielders). He would get a lot of great pitches to hit and has more discipline at the plate than any of our current (very good) outfielders.
The problem is who does he replace? Andy Dirks? Dirks is only getting 250k and you’re getting replacement level performance from him. Ichiro’s getting 5 million. Do the Tigers have that kind of money to add him to LF?
From an overall perspective, Ichiro is certainly a Hall of Famer. He could run like a deer and cover vast swaths of outfield. He had an arm like a howitzer that few dared to risk the extra base on. He had more hits in his first 13 years in the bigs than any other Major Leaguer had in any thirteen consecutive year period.
Baines played too many years as a DH - not a complete ball player.
Damon is not yet eligible.
Pinson has been getting jobbed for years. He had great defensive skills in center field and played with five tools. He has been hurt by being on a team with Frank Robsinon and later Bench, Rose and Perez and being traded away from the Reds just before the era of the Big Red Machine so he missed the glory years.
Oliver is close, but near the end he played in sneakers because of his bad knees and he went the DH route - damaging to Hall voters.
He’s not far off. He’ll certainly get plenty of consideration. He’s around the cutoff for the HoM which I think gives him 50/50 today. 3k will make him a lock and he’ll get the opportunities to do so.
It’s a shame Ichiro wasted so many years playing what amounts to AAAA ball in his native country.
Interesting factoid, Ichiro’s single season hits record in Japan was broken by red-haired former Cub nobody Matt Murton, who is still playing in Japan and will make 246 million yen this year (2.5 million bucks). As I recall Murton could hit for average, solid 1 tool player. He must like it there, he could probably get another chance in the majors if he wanted.
Murton is a former red sox farm hand. Drafted by Sox ... came thru the system and traded to Cubs.
“Its a shame Ichiro wasted so many years playing what amounts to AAAA ball in his native country.”
Yes. Maybe he was hormonally challenged at that time.
“...red-haired former Cub nobody Matt Murton...”
Maybe he’ll have a steroid freak for a son who’ll grow up to be a murderer. But along the way the son gets off on the 15 TIMES he’s arrested. Why was that? Nah...that couldn’t happen.
It pays in many ways to be a marginal/slightly above average MLB player.
I liked Murton when he came up with the Cubs, but I think the general impression of MLB scouts was that his talent fell just a tad short. He had some pop but not slugger power, he could run well but not well enough to steal 30 bases or play CF ... he ended up being thought of as a LF with a good eye at the plate who could rake against lefties, and not many teams have the luxury of carrying someone like that on the roster.
As for Ichiro, I think he’s one of the most overrated players ever. He was a very good baserunner and basestealer, and a solid defensive RF (but not that great at CF, which id why he only played one or two seasons there), and as a hitter he swung at everything and was only good at hitting singles. If you look at the players whose career walk rates and Isolated Power (extra bases on XB hits divided by at bats, or SLG minus BA) are as low at Ichiro’s, they’re a bunch of no-hit shortstops like Tim Foli. Ichiro was better than similar players such as Lloyd Waner, Matty Alou and Juan Pierre, but he was no Rod Carew, Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn or Wade Boggs.
“Ichiro played professionally in Japan for many years. Theyre including those hits in the total.”
I don’t know the total but I do know that a lot of washed up big league players left the U.S. in the past and became big stars in Japan. Some players who hit singles and doubles in the U.S. MLB became home run hitters in Japan.
He was under slave contract in Japan, no way out of it. I think the best players belong here, sooner than later. No MLB team wants to burn bridges with Japan by going after their prospects when they are young (and now there is some new marxist leninist international signing limitations). So either they wait till they became free agents (a long time) or pay a ransom in the "posting system" for the right to negotiate with a player under contract. Few of the Japanese stars have been worth it. The Cubs OF Fukudome is back in Japan, I don't know what happened to that guy with the Red Sox with the "gyroball", I think his arm fell off. The guy the Yankees got just to copy the Red Sox signing of Mr. Gyroball, bombed out. This Yu Darvish guy is good.
It pays in many ways to be a marginal/slightly above average MLB player.
Or below. A couple years ago the Cubs signed this pitcher, Doug Davis, lousy. And he made 900K that year. My brother, nice guy that he is said "that's more than you'll make in your life, probably not me".
Murton was good role player with Cubs for a while. He was indeed a Red Sox prospect, came over in the big Nomar! trade.
Doug Davis wasn’t bad when he pitched for the Brewers, particularly against the Cubs.
I think that the *average* MLB salary is $3 million a year. But, hey, MLB makes money, and there’s a limited supply of even crappy MLB-quality players.
I believe that MLB and the Japanese Leagues have an agreement to respect each other’s player contracts and also to respect their respective draft systems. So the only way for an MLB team to sign a Japanese player is to wait for a Japanese team to be willing to sell him or for the player to have free agency under Japan’s rules.
No sooner than I mention Daisuke Matsuzaka (I spaced on his name) that I learn he signed with the Mets yesterday and will start tonight against Detroit. He’d been with Cleveland’s AAA team, the poor bugger.
Matsuzaka’s first two seasons were good. After that, he fell off the map. Pitching being what it is, he’s more suited to the NL - I can see him being a spot starter, long reliever.
Way overpaid. OTOH, he was on the 2007 WS team, so I guess he was worth something.
Japan: Give us your women and cars.
I heard they have space age toilets too.
Time to raw dog!
“Do the Tigers have that kind of money to add him to LF?”
On the Forbes 400 Mike & Marian Ilitch have a net worth of 2.7B and come in at #151.
The Tigers have money...lots of it...and the Ilitches love Detroit.
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