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Doctors Who Implanted Fecal Bacteria in Patients' Brains Fined By Calif. Health Authorities
Opposing Views ^ | 08/23/2013 | Jonathan Vankin

Posted on 08/23/2013 1:27:06 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

Things have to be bad if you are prepared to allow someone to put feces in your brain. This was the case for three brain cancer patients at the University of California-Davis Medical Center, who consented to the highly experimental procedure. But the doctors who performed the implants were fined by the state’s Department of Public Health anyway.

The three patients all had end stage glioblastoma multiforme, which is a fast growing type of brain tumor. They had not responded to conventional treatments, including removal of the tumors, so doctors suggested the new, untested treatment, which involved placing bacteria from the bowels in the patients’ brains. The idea was to create infections that would kill the remaining tumor cells.

Sadly, according to the state’s report, the fecal bacteria created infections, but not with the intended results. The patients went into seizures and developed symptoms of septic infection, or bacteria in the blood. The first patient died soon after the treatment and experienced several other bacterial infections and never regained breathing or feeding functions.

The third patient also died after displaying severe symptoms of blood infection.

The state report said although the patients we informed that the fecal bacteria treatments were experimental and untested on humans, doctors had no plan for what to do if the experiments went wrong. They treated some of the resulting infections with antibiotics, but not others and could not explain the reasons for that inconsistency to investigators.

In interviews with the state investigators, hospital officials acknowledged that introducing fecal bacteria into the brain was “not a standard treatment for brain tumors.” In fact, they said this form of therapy “had not been proven to be effective” and contained a “high risk for harm” with “no clear benefit” defined for the patients.

Studies have found that transplanting fecal matter into a patient’s intestines can be an effective treatment for some gastrointestinal ailments.

SOURCES: Health Leaders Media, California Department of Public Health, New York Times
 


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bleepforbrains

Judging from anyone who votes democrat - this is a common procedure - cancer or not.

1 posted on 08/23/2013 1:27:07 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yet nevertheless, Obama overcame and became President.


2 posted on 08/23/2013 1:28:09 PM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: Responsibility2nd

he’s got Obama for brains—


3 posted on 08/23/2013 1:28:42 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Responsibility2nd

I think they started with Jerry .....


4 posted on 08/23/2013 1:29:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A white woman would be accused of racism if she gave birth to a white baby.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Things have to be bad if you are prepared to allow someone to put feces in your brain.

In California?

Doesn't that pretty much describe Barbara Boxer and most of the elected office holders?

Not to mention a clear majority of the electorate.

5 posted on 08/23/2013 1:31:44 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

that has to be the stupidest experiment I have ever heard. This from a prominent Hospital.

I’d bring them up on charges for manslaughter it’s just that stupid.

Shit for brains.


6 posted on 08/23/2013 1:33:03 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Responsibility2nd

7 posted on 08/23/2013 1:33:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Of course, the alternative is a guy that I see every few months at a local small airport.

He had inoperative stomach cancer. Underwent some kind of completely off the wall, untested treatment with just a small percentage of success possible.

That was about nine years ago.

If you are totally out of options, sometimes even a long shot makes sense.


8 posted on 08/23/2013 1:35:19 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Responsibility2nd
When someone dies as a result of the deliberate actions of another, is that not Manslaughter?
9 posted on 08/23/2013 1:35:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Responsibility2nd

10 posted on 08/23/2013 1:35:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

ugh. That show has been going down since Tom Baker.


11 posted on 08/23/2013 1:37:16 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Vendome

>> “This from a prominent Hospital.” <<

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UC Davis is Looney Toonsville to the max.


12 posted on 08/23/2013 1:38:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SkyDancer

And ‘Jerry’ is an F’n genius compared to Darrel Steinberg.


13 posted on 08/23/2013 1:40:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This situation isn’t unprecedented. Public schools have been implanting fecal matter into students heads for several decades now.


14 posted on 08/23/2013 1:45:28 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: Responsibility2nd

Drs. J. Paul Muizelaar and Rudolph J. Schrot


15 posted on 08/23/2013 1:46:03 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Doctors Who Implanted Fecal Bacteria in Patients’ Brains Fined By Calif. Health Authorities
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Making liberals?


16 posted on 08/23/2013 1:51:26 PM PDT by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I read that as the "Doctor Who puts shitte in people's brains"....

17 posted on 08/23/2013 1:53:16 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Responsibility2nd

“although the patients we informed”
The patient believes the doctor knows it all and would never do something criminal like this.

The doctor should have known. The intestines have the ability to handle fecal matter. The brain doesn’t.

Must have been inspired by the $h!thead in the white house.


18 posted on 08/23/2013 1:53:30 PM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Responsibility2nd
There are some stories where it is hard to determine which characters are the "good guys".

In this case, it is hard to figure out who has "sh!t-for-brains": The hospital, the doctor, or the patient.

19 posted on 08/23/2013 1:54:04 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Responsibility2nd
...the doctors who performed the implants

What a novel way to make more democrats!

Sounds like they are prepared for running out of illegals.

20 posted on 08/23/2013 1:57:49 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You need a plan for what goes wrong in an experimental procedure on stage four glio?

That’s like finding yourself in an elevator plummeting down an elevator shaft, its cable having severed at the 90th floor, and figuring you need a back up plan in case jumping as high as you can at around the 6th floor fails.


21 posted on 08/23/2013 1:58:26 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Responsibility2nd

Hey they were just following the motto: “When all else fails try doody.”


22 posted on 08/23/2013 1:58:48 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Vigilanteman
"IN CALIFORNIA?"

Oh, here we go- Incoming!....
(Jokes about California begin in five....four.....three...two....)

23 posted on 08/23/2013 2:00:14 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"Paging Dr. Mengele...Dr. Josef Mengele...Please report to Oncology..."
24 posted on 08/23/2013 2:05:34 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“The three patients all had end stage glioblastoma multiforme, which is a fast growing type of brain tumor.”

GBM is all but a death sentence. I lost a good friend to a Class V GBM. In a case like that, you hope that the treatment gives you a little more time, and lets you retain a certain quality of life in the time that you gain. The lucky ones get that. My friend didn’t.


25 posted on 08/23/2013 2:11:14 PM PDT by DemforBush (Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

if he would have examined someone in congress he would have already known this doesnt work


26 posted on 08/23/2013 2:20:19 PM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: I cannot think of a name
If you are totally out of options, sometimes even a long shot makes sense.

That's my opinion, too. Fortunately, Obamacare will save us from making those types of stupid decisions and just let us die under traditional care.

27 posted on 08/23/2013 2:23:36 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If people are terminally ill, with almost zero chance for survival, and they agree to any theoretical treatment, there should be no repercussions. If nothing else, like in this case, it establishes this one technique does not work.

But in this case it did even more. It actually makes sense that an infection *might* result in the immune system “seeing through” a tumor’s defenses, and thus realizing it should be attacked.

Tumors go to elaborate lengths to conceal themselves, and just recently it was discovered that they use a large amount of a particular protein (?) to do so. Block that protein, and the tumor might be exposed, or so goes the theory.

So in truth, it is not just a technique that has been disproven, but an entire concept, so similar techniques are also less likely to work.


28 posted on 08/23/2013 2:23:40 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

What they really needed to do is place a tube to the site of the tumor and then spray a little Windex on it.


29 posted on 08/23/2013 2:24:52 PM PDT by toast
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To: Responsibility2nd

SFB bump


30 posted on 08/23/2013 2:45:23 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Fecal material certainly didn’t kill my cancer.

Bowel cancer survivor.


31 posted on 08/23/2013 2:46:47 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Fecal Bacteria in Patients' Brains...patients went into seizures and developed symptoms of septic infection..........

And Thalidomide babies

Like it or not, that's why we have govt. regulations that result in years of R & D and cost Big Pharma billions in bringing successful drugs to market...........


32 posted on 08/23/2013 3:15:30 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: dangerdoc

I think the idea was a massive infection might open the cancer up to attack. Intestinal flora would guarantee a whopper of an infection, but this showed that the numerous strains of bacteria were not recognized by the immune system when in the brain.

This halfway makes sense. For example, E. coli is often the dominant bacteria in the lower bowels, but anywhere else in the body can make you very sick. With the 300-1000 different kinds of bacteria found in the flora, there is going to be one heck of an infection.


33 posted on 08/23/2013 3:19:55 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

What a s—thead.


34 posted on 08/23/2013 3:20:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BfloGuy
“Obamacare will save us from making those types of stupid decisions and just let us die under traditional care.”

Funniest coda to the story - this guy went to some kind of ‘clinic’ just outside of Houston. Paid like 20k out of his own pocket. A few years later the FDA or AMA or some government agency shut the place down. I'm not sure what the reason was although it was apparently something to do with the contention that the people running it were quacks.

My question is this: does the guy I know have to give his life back?

35 posted on 08/23/2013 3:36:37 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Responsibility2nd

I have to say it, “DID THESE DOCTORS HAVE SH#T FOR BRAINS”.


36 posted on 08/23/2013 3:42:34 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
Sooo; that's what causes untreatable brain cancer.
37 posted on 08/23/2013 3:45:48 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: I cannot think of a name
My question is this: does the guy I know have to give his life back?

Nah. His estate just has to pay an income tax penalty.

38 posted on 08/23/2013 4:01:33 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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