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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 34 AUGUST 23, 2013
Free Republic | 8/23/2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 08/23/2013 1:53:26 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Greetings from a rainy Missouri. Great weather today with afternoon showers. Late to start the party, just got to the computer. I'll kick this off now, but I have to go do a couple of errands. Will be back in about an hour.

More bad news. In addition to dying peaches, the melons have developed a virus or fungus, and the vines are dying. Will have to research to see what I can do to prevent it for next year.

Y'all have fun conversing, and I'll be back ASAP. Have a great weekend and God Bless.

1 posted on 08/23/2013 1:53:26 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List.


2 posted on 08/23/2013 1:58:11 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

My first run of squash either croaked or was so mildewy sick I yanked it up,.

When I pulled it up, I decided to look at the soil..It was full of those red and black wood ants. Wood ants living in the garden..Go figure.


3 posted on 08/23/2013 2:20:07 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: greeneyes

Sorry about the melons; we had about five or six butternuts (our vine too had/has some sort of ailment), but when young, something ate all but one... We call him “Mr. Squash.”


4 posted on 08/23/2013 2:23:13 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: greeneyes
It's 104F here with a heat index of 113F. I'm staying inside. The peanuts are on their own until it cools down. I hope the fall tomatoes make it.

/johnny

5 posted on 08/23/2013 2:23:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes
Pinging the List.

Thx for adding me to the Ping list..since I'm here more than anywhere else on FR these days, anyway!

6 posted on 08/23/2013 2:25:22 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: greeneyes

I am working diligently on my garden for next year. I have been working and building up a huge pile of yard and kitchen waste into a super compost pile since I got back here at our home in Mississippi last month. Next week I will be adding some compost activator and red worms to the pile. Yes I am impatient and I want and expect a good start for my garden next spring. I plan to plant some winter rye as cover crop in late Sept or early October. I am anxious to get into full gardening next spring.

I am still harvesting figs as they ripen. I am freezing them when I only get a few each morning and will can them as fig preserves. Next is the harvest of pears in late Sept.


7 posted on 08/23/2013 2:58:32 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: JRandomFreeper; greeneyes; rightly_dividing; All

I have a plethora of happenings to report:

First, DO YOU HAVE A RAIN GAUGE? WHAT KIND?
I had a very small glass one that was hard to see, plus the inside got dirty and I couldn’t get it clean. I dumped it. Today, I got one with great big numbers on it. It is sponsored by The Weather Channel (for whatever difference that makes). It has a plastic chip in it with “Weather Channel” on the chip and it floats when it rains and one uses that to determine how much rain has fallen. This thing is easy to see and put it on a small table in the middle of the deck. I can see the numbers when looking out my glass doors. I might have to step out on the roofed deck to see where that floating chip is.

Anyway, I decided it is good to know how much rain has fallen. LIKE YESTERDAY - I had a real storm yesterday. Rightly, I don’t know if this hit your place. The rain came down in torrents (didn’t have the rain gauge until a short time ago today) and the wind was so strong it broke short green limbs off the two oak trees behind my back fence and they are all over the garden.

It bent my one Tromboncino Squash in the barrel but it is straightening up and now has a fourth leaf.

Next: Just went to Walmart and picked up my 4 ft. grow lamp with stand. I don’t like going there but having this heavy stand/grow lamp sent to Walmart to pick up saved shipping charges.

The store is full of parents and kids getting ready for school. All kids should be put in prison until they are old enough to be drafted into military service - and we need to bring back the draft. :o)

The box is heavy and at least five feet long. I’m hoping the grow lamp isn’t broken. Right now, the box is on a couch that is shorter than the box - I haven’t tackled it yet. I don’t know where it is going to end up - somehow, it’s going in this room.

I will start putting seeds in paper cups tomorrow - oh, yes, bought two more bags of organic seed starter - and by golly, these seeds had better germinate and come up. Will plant another couple of Tromboncino Squash seeds in case the one I planted dies. The other four still haven’t come up.

Johnny’s weather right now is hotter than mine. Had a short rain shower here a while ago before I got the rain gauge out there. By the way, I didn’t want to spend lots of money on a fancy digital rain gauge.


8 posted on 08/23/2013 3:06:55 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Red_Devil 232

Figs and pears, two of my favorite things, but things I cannot seen to grow. Glad to see you are working on next years garden.


9 posted on 08/23/2013 3:08:27 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: greeneyes
This is turning out to be a banner year for fruit trees in central Wisconsin. The apples, cherries, pears and kiwis are gorgeous. The little lady started a succulent garden last year which is progressing very nicely as the photo hopefully demonstrates. I've also included another little lily, just because...

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10 posted on 08/23/2013 3:11:15 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: sockmonkey
“My first run of squash either croaked or was so mildewy sick I yanked it up,. When I pulled it up, I decided to look at the soil..It was full of those red and black wood ants. Wood ants living in the garden..Go figure.”

I will never plant any kind of squash again except Tromboncino and it's not going in garden dirt. This kind might survive garden dirt since bugs are supposed to not like it, but I've had it with garden dirt - that stuff has bugs and mold and many other impurities that murder my plants.

I'm giving garden dirt one more chance only. I will try to grow tobacco in it after I grow the plants under the grow lamp next year. Johnny is sending a magnitude of tobacco seeds to me and he and I need them to grow.

11 posted on 08/23/2013 3:20:59 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: greeneyes

We’ve been unseasonably cool, but the tomatoes and hot peppers are growing like crazy. I canned a lot last night and managed to forget to add lemon juice to the maters. Oh well. The hot pepper butter should be okay though. I hope the melons will have enough time to mature but I’m thinking that’s not going to happen. I’m planning for next year now. I’ll be experimenting with onion and potato quantity and storage so that I can make us self-sufficient on those.


12 posted on 08/23/2013 3:29:03 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Marcella
Not a drop here. Your new rain gauge is just like mine, I am very happy with it, and it's price.

I have used Jiffy seed starting soil from Lowes, for three years and been satisfied with the germination rates. After 3 -5 days, I feed(the seedlings, not me) with diluted fish emulsion after every few waterings.

13 posted on 08/23/2013 3:31:01 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: greeneyes
Sorry to hear of the deaths in the garden.

My formerly sick ghost peppers are starting to ripen. One plant has 14, the other has 0.

14 posted on 08/23/2013 3:37:42 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: gorush

The “little Lady’s” succulent garden is gorgeious..I would’ve thought those would freeze in the winter up north..


15 posted on 08/23/2013 3:42:08 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: gorush

Oops, I meant gorgeous.


16 posted on 08/23/2013 3:44:10 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: sockmonkey

They get covered with snow and seem to do well.


17 posted on 08/23/2013 3:47:32 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: rightly_dividing; greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; All

I got the two boxes out of the big box containing the grow light in one and the stand in the other. Hooked up the light and it works so it wasn’t damaged in shipping.

The stand is heavy and I haven’t taken the plastic off to put it together yet. Supposed to take only a Phillips screwdriver and I have a bunch of those with one at the ready if it requires the regular size, pretty sure it does.

My husband could lose tools faster than he could buy them and he readily admitted that. I bought my own set of tools needed in the house so I would know where they were. Then, had to keep him out of mine or they would disappear. He also never closed a drawer, only closed it half way and doors were frequently pushed shut, not really shut. He had a brilliant mind, just don’t bother him with the mundane like knowing where things were.


18 posted on 08/23/2013 3:52:02 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: rightly_dividing

It was Jiffy seed starter I got today.

“diluted fish emulsion” - yuk, I don’t have that.


19 posted on 08/23/2013 3:54:18 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: greeneyes

Tougher Tunnel/Tube Type Greenhouse Frame (temporary type for plastic/shade cloth covers)

Here’s an idea for those of you in very windy places—something I thought of a couple of years ago. Get a quarter mile of barbless wire (yes, the kind without barbs). Erect semicircular hoops of grey, plastic, UV-resistant conduit, as others have done before.

Drill the conduit horizontally, and loop the barbless wire once around each pipe, working your way horizontally through the pipes for the tube. Anchor the barbless wire ends at each end of the tube. When you have enough horizontal wire strands through the whole structure (and vertical, if needed), cover with shade cloth and/or plastic. Maybe even 4 mil plastic will be heavy enough, if your grid lines are close together enough. Use large enough sheets of cover material to adequately anchor it on all sides with earth or whatever (might be better than putting holes in plastic for fastening to pipes).

There you are—a stronger tunnel-type frame for your garden without big costs. Winds in my area often hit over 60 mph in the summer (sometimes higher in dust tornadoes, er, dust devils) and over 100 mph in winter. Using the barbless wire, higher tubes can built and used with plastic in two layers to passively collect solar heat for whatever uses in the winter. Anyway, the frame with barbless wire can be uncovered, when the cover is not needed. The cover can be stored and used again, lowering costs a little more.

By the way, here at over 9,000 feet, near the Divide, we’ve been seeing a little relief from the drought so far. Looks like half-monsoon weather. Some afternoons, it rains. Others, it doesn’t. It’s an improvement over last year. Watch out for unusual cold fluctuations, though. We saw some of those last winter and don’t know what will happen next winter. But within the next 6 years or so, we might see cold fluctuations unlike any we’ve seen in our lives (maybe just past our very low solar max in this extended minimum—only a guess). There will be hot fluctuations, too, but not as noticeable for most of us as the cold ones.

Have fun. Enjoy the adventure.


20 posted on 08/23/2013 3:55:35 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: greeneyes; TEXOKIE; Marcella; JRandomFreeper; All

Anxious to hear what you’ve found out! Our cantaloupes aren’t doing well either.


21 posted on 08/23/2013 3:56:12 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: sockmonkey

Are those the same as the crazy ants with which we have contended? Diatomaceous earth (food grade) and those little ant bait traps have controlled them fairly well but not completely so far.


22 posted on 08/23/2013 3:58:18 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: JRandomFreeper

Hope that you are blessed with a good yield!


23 posted on 08/23/2013 3:59:18 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: greeneyes

There are still some patches of ice on the peaks very near here, too, by the way. And hey, greeneyes, I moved to Mars here (one of the most brutal climate spots on the Rockies) from Muhzeruh (the way the old folks said it—kinda like that other state: Huwoyuh) a long time ago. :-)


24 posted on 08/23/2013 4:02:28 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Marcella

Holycow! I bet that was your post before I got to the signature line lol! You actually planted the trombocinos this season? I thought you’d wait until next year. Power to the FReeper gardeners!


25 posted on 08/23/2013 4:04:01 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: Silentgypsy
As hot as it is, I don't care. I'll care later, when it's cooler. ;)

/johnny

26 posted on 08/23/2013 4:09:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella

Lol! I, too, am married to a tool troll. I also bought a set of pink tools and, darn it, he uses them because he can’t find the hundred gazillion tools he owns! Maybe I should look for purple tools! BTW, so far all the tools are still in the pink-trimmed case.


27 posted on 08/23/2013 4:11:18 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: JRandomFreeper

That is a really good attitude. We may canonize you!


28 posted on 08/23/2013 4:12:53 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: Silentgypsy
I've been tricked into a lot of things, but I ain't climbing into no cannon...

/johnny

29 posted on 08/23/2013 4:14:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

I was about ready to pull up my tomato plants because the leaves had a white powdery substance on them and were dying. Someone on the gardening thread suggested a solution of bleach and water to spray on the leaves. I tried it and for a few weeks it was touch and go but now my plants are flourishing. Sorry I don’t remember the poster’s name but I really appreciated the help. Thanks.


30 posted on 08/23/2013 4:26:57 PM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: Silentgypsy
Are those the same as the crazy ants with which we have contended?

No these are red and black, and kinda big.


31 posted on 08/23/2013 4:33:39 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: sockmonkey

Oh, drat. This thread has provided so much knowledge to me that I had hoped I could give a little back!


32 posted on 08/23/2013 4:46:38 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: JRandomFreeper

*Snorkle chortle* I’m sure it takes an incredibly superior intellect to blow one past you!


33 posted on 08/23/2013 4:48:23 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: Marcella

Are you growing the tobacco seeds for barter?


34 posted on 08/23/2013 4:49:47 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: Silentgypsy; greeneyes; rightly_dividing; JRandomFreeper; All

“I also bought a set of pink tools...”

That’s what I did - bought a pink set of tools thinking he wouldn’t dare touch pink.

Yes, I planted that “T” Italian squash in a 14 inch diameter barrel. Rightly made a dolly for it so I can regulate the sun it gets, just roll it where I want it. I have a long growing season here, sometimes until December, so decided to see if the squash would do its thing.

I have put the grow light and stand together, all finished. The only problem I had was the puppy running off with the instructions every time I set them down. She likes paper - in little bitty pieces.

The unit is sitting on the floor against a wall. It’s out of the way there. I put down a sun shade thing that goes in a car windshield so if any water came out of anything it would be on that and not get on floor.

Next thing is to figure out how to keep puppy from eating the dirt in the paper cups or eating the plants when they come up. May have to barbecue the Yorkie - I’ll think of a way to keep her away from there.


35 posted on 08/23/2013 4:53:29 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: sockmonkey

It’s amazing what one can find in soil, is it not?


36 posted on 08/23/2013 4:54:28 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: mlizzy

Maybe next year I will just plant melons in pots with trellis or something. I just have shocking bad luck with them.


37 posted on 08/23/2013 4:55:39 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I have been so busy lately, I haven’t hardly visited the garden in days. I really got to get a few things done tomorrow before I leave for Chicago on Sunday.


38 posted on 08/23/2013 4:57:21 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: sockmonkey

LOL. Well now that there makes me feel like the thread is popular and useful-a good feeling. LOL


39 posted on 08/23/2013 4:58:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Silentgypsy
“Are you growing the tobacco seeds for barter?”

Only after there is enough for me to smoke if the shtf. Johnny and I know what is important - cigarettes and alcohol. He can make beer along with his tobacco. I don't know how to make alcohol. I need to make Amaretto and Bailey's or Michael's Irish Crème.

40 posted on 08/23/2013 4:59:45 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Red_Devil 232

Watch that compost. The big compost fire up towards St. Louis is all the news around here.LOL At least you have some figs and pears this year. Better than a stick in the eye.LOL


41 posted on 08/23/2013 5:00:07 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

Hubby has a rain gauge. I may have seen it years ago. I have no idea what kind or anything. He tells me what it says from time to time.

I just leave a 5 gallon bucket outside, and use it to estimate small shower vs medium vs gully washer.LOL


42 posted on 08/23/2013 5:04:27 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: goodwithagun

I haven’t had enough of any one thing to can for a while, and no room in the freezer for small batches which is what I usually do.

Just keep eating as fast as I can. At least I am having no trouble getting the 5 to 9 servings of fruit and veggies.LOL


43 posted on 08/23/2013 5:08:03 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rightly_dividing

Good news on the peppers then. So glad for you.


44 posted on 08/23/2013 5:08:42 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Don’t worry I turn the pile almost every day, lets the heat dissipate. It will not self combust.


45 posted on 08/23/2013 5:08:53 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Marcella

From your description, I am sure your husband must have a common ancestor with my Hubby.LOL


46 posted on 08/23/2013 5:10:37 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella
May have to barbecue the Yorkie

I have recipes for that...

/johnny

47 posted on 08/23/2013 5:15:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella

Yuk is right, it stinks! It is very mild and won’t burn the tender babies.


48 posted on 08/23/2013 5:39:44 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“May have to barbecue the Yorkie”
I have recipes for that...
/johnny”

I won’t tell her you said that. I have to put a barrier there and don’t know what that could be as it is a long space. I need a fence inside the house.


49 posted on 08/23/2013 5:40:04 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

Lol. That fish emulsion stinks to high heaven, but it’s good for the plants.


50 posted on 08/23/2013 5:43:10 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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