Skip to comments.Fossil Insects Tweak Date of Deadly "Atlantis" Eruption
Posted on 08/25/2013 2:52:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
A new study of insect pests found in an ancient storage jar on the Greek island of Santorini suggests the major volcanic eruption that took place there around 1600 B.C. -- and which may have inspired the legend of Atlantis -- happened in early summer.
The "Atlantis" eruption was one of the most significant volcanic eruptions in human history. The blast is credited for not only ending the Minoan civilization, but also for affecting ancient Egypt and other communities around the eastern Mediterranean, explained Eva Panagiotakopulu, a palaeoecologist and fossil-insect expert at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland.
Based on previous evidence, scientists had concluded that the eruption happened sometime between 1627 to 1600 B.C. But there has been one important and unresolved question about the event: What season did it take place in?
In a new study, published in a recent issue of the journal Naturwissenschaften, Panagiotakopulu and her team now say that based on insect remains found in a jar containing seeds of sweet peas discovered at the Bronze Age settlement of Akrotiri, they think the eruption occurred sometime between June to early July.
It was only during these months, the scientists say, that the insect, a species of bean weevil, would have had an opportunity to infest the crops and end up in the storage area.
"There is a short window from early to mid summer just after threshing which could justify the assemblage [of insects] recovered," Panagiotakopulu explained in an email.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalgeographic.com ...
The Future of the Past:
Archaeology in the 21st Century
by Eberhard Zangger
"Even when, during the respective Thera Conferences, individual scientists had pointed out that the magnitude and significance of the Thera eruption must be estimated as less than previously thought, the conferences acted to strengthen the original hypothesis. The individual experts believed that the arguments advanced by their colleagues were sound, and that the facts of a natural catastrophe were not in doubt... All three factors reflect a fantasy world rather than cool detachment, which is why it so difficult to refute the theory with rational arguments." -- pp 49-50.
That particular eruption would also explain the strange natural events on Moses’ journey, according to some.
Aren’t they always ?
The Linear B Tablets and Mycenaean Social, Political, and Economic Organization
Lesson 25, The Prehistoric Archaeology of the Aegean
Revised: Friday, March 18, 2000
Trustees of Dartmouth College
Posted on 08/29/2004 8:19:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
KO-RE-TE, PO-RO-KO-RE-TE [koreter, prokoreter] — Such officials are known at both Knossos and Pylos. The titles bear a suspiciously close resemblance to the Latin terms curator and procurator (”guardian” and “manager, imperial officer/governor” respectively). The Linear B evidence suggests that the koreter was a local official in charge of one of the sixteen major administrative units within the Pylian kingdom, and the prokoreter was evidently his deputy.
“Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be.”
New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
Journal of Archaeological Science
Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 279-289
13 July 1997
Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
Posted on 07/29/2004 12:25:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
For these tests, I hope they chose the lesser of two weevils.
Pliny described the changes in land and sea distribution. “Land is sometimes formed . . . rising suddenly out of the sea. Delos and Rhodes, islands which have now been long famous, are recorded to have risen up in this way. More lately there have been some smaller islands formed,” and he names them: Anapha, Nea, Halone, Thera, Therasia,4 Hiera, and Thia, the last of which appeared in his own time.5
4 The story of Thera and Therasia is told at greater length by Strabo: “For midway between Thera and Therasia fires broke forth from the sea and continued for four days, so that the whole sea boiled and blazed, and the fires cast up an island which was gradually elevated as though by levers and consisted of burning masses — an island with a stretch of twelve stadia in circumference. After the cessation of the eruption, the Rhodians, at the time of their marine supremacy, were first to venture upon the scene. . . .” — Geography I.3.16. On the great volcanic eruption on Thera in Late Minoan times, cf. the bibliography collected by S. Hiller, “Die Explosion des Vulkans von Thera,” Gymnasium 82 (1975), pp. 32-74
5 Pliny, Natural History, transl. by J. Bostock and H.T. Riley (London, 1853), II.89.
Presuming of course that Atlantis and Minoa are one and the same.
Reading new American bible (awesome) exodus now.
something like both sides of that one:
Viewer Beware: The Exodus Decoded [ Jacobovici response to BAR review]
Cool, wished we had more time to explore Santorini,, we were series tourist as, cameras in both hands, binocs around the neck,, talk about scenic, pretty bug-free except where the donkeys and goats roam..
And I don’t. :’)
The old ones are okay to steal, IMHO. ;’)
I hold the idea open, wondering if it is, then thinking no, then thinking yes...
Would love to KNOW:)
Plato doesn’t discuss Thera at all in his two dialogues mentioning Atlantis, and most definitely puts it in the Atlantic (hence the name). Although the origin of the tale is given as Egypt, there’s literally nothing about Atlantis in the literary relics of Egypt that have survived.
There used to be an “R. Shand” online (1990s) who claimed that another Greek traveler (name eludes me now) saw a column in Egypt with the Atlantis story written upon it, the trouble is, no such column exists today, the location isn’t given, and the likelihood is he was fed a line by some tour guide, some things never change.
Plato doesn’t discuss Thera that I know of; Herodotus writes quite a bit about it, and neither of them mention any volcanic eruption. This is due to the fact that there was no “supereruption” at all, and both writers were long dead by the time the early 2nd c BC eruption took place (the one cited above, it’s dated to 199 or 197 BC).
From the pictures, they’ve done a lot to make the place look enchanting. Seems like the perfect place to be an archaeologist, if ya ask me.
The closest thing we offer around here is the interesting photos posted in the topics, most of the keywords will turn ‘em up. :’)
I thought it turned over from too many people like Guam might per Congressman Hank Johnson of Georgia..... ;-)
And producing more useless info
I don't know if I buy this attempt to blame the eruption on the bean weevils...sounds like an effort to shift the blame from the real culprits, George W. Bush's ancestors.
The Bible makes it clear that these were supernatural events. To wit: the angel of death killed only the fist born of those who did not smear the blood of the slaughtered lamb on the door posts and lintel on their house. Volcanic upheavals are not so selective.
These events foretold the death of the real Passover lamb, Jeaus Christ, who was slain at even on the day of preparation which is when the lamb is to be slaughtered for the Passover, the high sabbath which started at sundown on the day of the crucifixion.
The post cards with the blue roofs and the crater in the background,, looks just like it. ;-]
Ephesus was a nice surprise as well.. still would like to visit the valleys of king and queens , thebes luxor,, next life,. ;-}
Wear a flak jacket if you go.
according to Woods Hole Scientists =
and quite plausible -
But then, doesn’t God use his own tools to ‘work his mysterious ways?’
Now all I can think of when I hear that song, is Billy Batts getting his in "Goodfellas."
Interesting. This caused me to spend about 2 hours reading about Atlantis, Herodotus, Pillars of Hercules, Santorini, looking at Google Maps for Greece, caldera’s,...the number of volcanic eruptions in the Santorini area, all with the entire idea I was going to ‘get’ it.
But then all of a sudden I realized...I was thinking I was going to ‘get’ where Atlantis was, from reading all this.
Just like I also once thought I was going to ‘get’ who Jack the Ripper was, from reading all these books...
Or I was going to ‘get’ what was going on at Borley Rectory by reading all this stuff about it.
But what you said was very interesting and enlightening to me, and is fascinating:)
Darn. So, where WAS Atlantis? I guess to start, somewhere in the Atlantic...?;)
Sundaland? I thought that was across the Tyne from Newcastle.
I've always thought that natural occurances that led to mystical events were evidence of a greater being at work.
For these tests, I hope they chose the lesser of two weevils.
The question bugs me.
Sounds like global warming conferences.
It was in the Atlantic, just where Plato said it was, and whatever you do, *don’t listen to blam*. ;’) ;’)
It might take a while to get through it all, but Atlantis in ‘the right place’ is explained here:
In 1982, J. R. Steffan reported that he had found a single specimen of Lasioderma serricorne (commonly called the tobacco beetle) in the mummy of Ramses II. More turned up in Egypt (one was found in Tut's tomb), and in 2000 Eva Panagiotakopulu reported a specimen found on Santorini.
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