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Fossil Insects Tweak Date of Deadly "Atlantis" Eruption
National Geographic ^ | August 22, 2013 | Ker Than

Posted on 08/25/2013 2:52:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A new study of insect pests found in an ancient storage jar on the Greek island of Santorini suggests the major volcanic eruption that took place there around 1600 B.C. -- and which may have inspired the legend of Atlantis -- happened in early summer.

The "Atlantis" eruption was one of the most significant volcanic eruptions in human history. The blast is credited for not only ending the Minoan civilization, but also for affecting ancient Egypt and other communities around the eastern Mediterranean, explained Eva Panagiotakopulu, a palaeoecologist and fossil-insect expert at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland.

Based on previous evidence, scientists had concluded that the eruption happened sometime between 1627 to 1600 B.C. But there has been one important and unresolved question about the event: What season did it take place in?

In a new study, published in a recent issue of the journal Naturwissenschaften, Panagiotakopulu and her team now say that based on insect remains found in a jar containing seeds of sweet peas discovered at the Bronze Age settlement of Akrotiri, they think the eruption occurred sometime between June to early July.

It was only during these months, the scientists say, that the insect, a species of bean weevil, would have had an opportunity to infest the crops and end up in the storage area.

"There is a short window from early to mid summer just after threshing which could justify the assemblage [of insects] recovered," Panagiotakopulu explained in an email.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalgeographic.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: akrotiri; calliste; catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; santorini; thera

subtitle: Bean weevils are key to figuring out mystery of event that destroyed a civilization.
The volcanic crater on Nea Kameni in Santorini, Greece. Photograph by Celyn, Alamy

The volcanic crater on Nea Kameni in Santorini, Greece. Photograph by Celyn, Alamy

1 posted on 08/25/2013 2:52:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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The Future of the Past: Archaeology in the 21st Century by Eberhard Zangger
The Future of the Past:
Archaeology in the 21st Century

by Eberhard Zangger
"Even when, during the respective Thera Conferences, individual scientists had pointed out that the magnitude and significance of the Thera eruption must be estimated as less than previously thought, the conferences acted to strengthen the original hypothesis. The individual experts believed that the arguments advanced by their colleagues were sound, and that the facts of a natural catastrophe were not in doubt... All three factors reflect a fantasy world rather than cool detachment, which is why it so difficult to refute the theory with rational arguments." -- pp 49-50.


2 posted on 08/25/2013 2:53:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

Also one of *those* topics.


3 posted on 08/25/2013 2:54:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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4 posted on 08/25/2013 2:55:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

That particular eruption would also explain the strange natural events on Moses’ journey, according to some.


5 posted on 08/25/2013 2:56:51 PM PDT by grania
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To: SunkenCiv

Aren’t they always ?


6 posted on 08/25/2013 2:57:23 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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The Linear B Tablets and Mycenaean Social, Political, and Economic Organization
Lesson 25, The Prehistoric Archaeology of the Aegean
Revised: Friday, March 18, 2000
Trustees of Dartmouth College
Posted on 08/29/2004 8:19:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1202723/posts

KO-RE-TE, PO-RO-KO-RE-TE [koreter, prokoreter] — Such officials are known at both Knossos and Pylos. The titles bear a suspiciously close resemblance to the Latin terms curator and procurator (”guardian” and “manager, imperial officer/governor” respectively). The Linear B evidence suggests that the koreter was a local official in charge of one of the sixteen major administrative units within the Pylian kingdom, and the prokoreter was evidently his deputy.


7 posted on 08/25/2013 2:59:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be.”


8 posted on 08/25/2013 3:00:06 PM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
Journal of Archaeological Science
Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 279-289
13 July 1997
Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
Posted on 07/29/2004 12:25:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1180724/posts


9 posted on 08/25/2013 3:00:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: clamper1797

For these tests, I hope they chose the lesser of two weevils.


10 posted on 08/25/2013 3:02:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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http://www.varchive.org/dag/cilas.htm

Pliny described the changes in land and sea distribution. “Land is sometimes formed . . . rising suddenly out of the sea. Delos and Rhodes, islands which have now been long famous, are recorded to have risen up in this way. More lately there have been some smaller islands formed,” and he names them: Anapha, Nea, Halone, Thera, Therasia,4 Hiera, and Thia, the last of which appeared in his own time.5

[notes]

4 The story of Thera and Therasia is told at greater length by Strabo: “For midway between Thera and Therasia fires broke forth from the sea and continued for four days, so that the whole sea boiled and blazed, and the fires cast up an island which was gradually elevated as though by levers and consisted of burning masses — an island with a stretch of twelve stadia in circumference. After the cessation of the eruption, the Rhodians, at the time of their marine supremacy, were first to venture upon the scene. . . .” — Geography I.3.16. On the great volcanic eruption on Thera in Late Minoan times, cf. the bibliography collected by S. Hiller, “Die Explosion des Vulkans von Thera,” Gymnasium 82 (1975), pp. 32-74

5 Pliny, Natural History, transl. by J. Bostock and H.T. Riley (London, 1853), II.89.


11 posted on 08/25/2013 3:07:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Presuming of course that Atlantis and Minoa are one and the same.


12 posted on 08/25/2013 3:07:10 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Flick Lives

:’)


13 posted on 08/25/2013 3:11:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: grania

Reading new American bible (awesome) exodus now.


14 posted on 08/25/2013 3:11:33 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: grania

something like both sides of that one:

Viewer Beware: The Exodus Decoded [ Jacobovici response to BAR review]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1693241/posts


15 posted on 08/25/2013 3:13:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting!


16 posted on 08/25/2013 3:14:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Flick Lives

http://videosift.com/video/The-fabled-lost-city-ofAtlanta


17 posted on 08/25/2013 3:16:20 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Cool, wished we had more time to explore Santorini,, we were series tourist as, cameras in both hands, binocs around the neck,, talk about scenic, pretty bug-free except where the donkeys and goats roam..


18 posted on 08/25/2013 3:16:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL


19 posted on 08/25/2013 3:18:36 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: Beowulf9

And I don’t. :’)


20 posted on 08/25/2013 3:31:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: bigheadfred

The old ones are okay to steal, IMHO. ;’)


21 posted on 08/25/2013 3:33:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I hold the idea open, wondering if it is, then thinking no, then thinking yes...

Would love to KNOW:)


22 posted on 08/25/2013 3:39:02 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Plato doesn’t discuss Thera at all in his two dialogues mentioning Atlantis, and most definitely puts it in the Atlantic (hence the name). Although the origin of the tale is given as Egypt, there’s literally nothing about Atlantis in the literary relics of Egypt that have survived.

There used to be an “R. Shand” online (1990s) who claimed that another Greek traveler (name eludes me now) saw a column in Egypt with the Atlantis story written upon it, the trouble is, no such column exists today, the location isn’t given, and the likelihood is he was fed a line by some tour guide, some things never change.

Plato doesn’t discuss Thera that I know of; Herodotus writes quite a bit about it, and neither of them mention any volcanic eruption. This is due to the fact that there was no “supereruption” at all, and both writers were long dead by the time the early 2nd c BC eruption took place (the one cited above, it’s dated to 199 or 197 BC).


23 posted on 08/25/2013 3:50:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: clamper1797

?


24 posted on 08/25/2013 3:51:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: BenLurkin

Thanks!


25 posted on 08/25/2013 3:52:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: NormsRevenge

From the pictures, they’ve done a lot to make the place look enchanting. Seems like the perfect place to be an archaeologist, if ya ask me.

The closest thing we offer around here is the interesting photos posted in the topics, most of the keywords will turn ‘em up. :’)


26 posted on 08/25/2013 3:53:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought it turned over from too many people like Guam might per Congressman Hank Johnson of Georgia..... ;-)


27 posted on 08/25/2013 3:54:28 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: SunkenCiv
Grant Money...Just keeps on giving!!

And producing more useless info

28 posted on 08/25/2013 3:55:29 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Average Al

;’)


29 posted on 08/25/2013 4:10:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: grania
If the date in the 1600s is correct, the eruption was probably long before Moses was born.

I don't know if I buy this attempt to blame the eruption on the bean weevils...sounds like an effort to shift the blame from the real culprits, George W. Bush's ancestors.

30 posted on 08/25/2013 4:15:53 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

31 posted on 08/25/2013 4:26:18 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: grania
That...would also explain the strange natural events on Moses' journey.

The Bible makes it clear that these were supernatural events. To wit: the angel of death killed only the fist born of those who did not smear the blood of the slaughtered lamb on the door posts and lintel on their house. Volcanic upheavals are not so selective.

These events foretold the death of the real Passover lamb, Jeaus Christ, who was slain at even on the day of preparation which is when the lamb is to be slaughtered for the Passover, the high sabbath which started at sundown on the day of the crucifixion.

32 posted on 08/25/2013 4:34:56 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: SunkenCiv

The post cards with the blue roofs and the crater in the background,, looks just like it. ;-]

Ephesus was a nice surprise as well.. still would like to visit the valleys of king and queens , thebes luxor,, next life,. ;-}


33 posted on 08/25/2013 4:37:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wear a flak jacket if you go.


34 posted on 08/25/2013 5:35:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: grania

according to Woods Hole Scientists =

and quite plausible -

But then, doesn’t God use his own tools to ‘work his mysterious ways?’


35 posted on 08/25/2013 6:39:47 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Flick Lives
“Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be.”

Now all I can think of when I hear that song, is Billy Batts getting his in "Goodfellas."

36 posted on 08/25/2013 6:40:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting. This caused me to spend about 2 hours reading about Atlantis, Herodotus, Pillars of Hercules, Santorini, looking at Google Maps for Greece, caldera’s,...the number of volcanic eruptions in the Santorini area, all with the entire idea I was going to ‘get’ it.

But then all of a sudden I realized...I was thinking I was going to ‘get’ where Atlantis was, from reading all this.

Just like I also once thought I was going to ‘get’ who Jack the Ripper was, from reading all these books...

Or I was going to ‘get’ what was going on at Borley Rectory by reading all this stuff about it.

Lol.

But what you said was very interesting and enlightening to me, and is fascinating:)
Darn. So, where WAS Atlantis? I guess to start, somewhere in the Atlantic...?;)


37 posted on 08/25/2013 6:56:34 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9
Where Was Atlantis? Sundaland Fits The Bill, Surely!


38 posted on 08/25/2013 7:36:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Sundaland? I thought that was across the Tyne from Newcastle.


39 posted on 08/25/2013 7:37:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SunkenCiv
Santorini Eruption Much larger Than Originally Believed

(ahem) Biblical Plagues and Parting of Red Sea caused by Volcano

40 posted on 08/25/2013 7:39:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: dfwgator
Sundaland
41 posted on 08/25/2013 10:21:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: maine-iac7
God uses his own tools to "work his mysterious ways

I've always thought that natural occurances that led to mystical events were evidence of a greater being at work.

42 posted on 08/26/2013 3:47:51 AM PDT by grania
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To: SunkenCiv

For these tests, I hope they chose the lesser of two weevils.

&&&
The question bugs me.


43 posted on 08/26/2013 4:26:11 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Even when, during the respective Thera Conferences, individual scientists had pointed out that the magnitude and significance of the Thera eruption must be estimated as less than previously thought, the conferences acted to strengthen the original hypothesis. The individual experts believed that the arguments advanced by their colleagues were sound, and that the facts of a natural catastrophe were not in doubt... All three factors reflect a fantasy world rather than cool detachment, which is why it so difficult to refute the theory with rational arguments." -- pp 49-50.

Sounds like global warming conferences.

44 posted on 08/27/2013 5:28:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

:’)


45 posted on 08/27/2013 8:39:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Beowulf9

It was in the Atlantic, just where Plato said it was, and whatever you do, *don’t listen to blam*. ;’) ;’)


46 posted on 08/27/2013 8:41:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Beowulf9

It might take a while to get through it all, but Atlantis in ‘the right place’ is explained here:
http://www.threeimpacts-twoevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/COMET-IMPACT-ANALYSIS-AND-EFFECTS-20Aug2013.pdf

Enjoy!


47 posted on 09/30/2013 6:33:47 PM PDT by mj81
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