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Toxic Sugar: Fantastic Video on the Obesity Epidemic!
dietdoctor.com ^ | 8/22/2013 | Diet Doctor

Posted on 08/26/2013 6:20:13 PM PDT by Signalman

Is sugar toxic and the cause of the obesity epidemic? Here’s a great new video called Toxic Sugar. It’s a recent segment from the major Australian science program Catalyst, on ABC.

It’s arguably the best 18-minute introduction ever made on the true causes of the obesity epidemic. The program features the #1 enemy of the sugar industry: professor Robert Lustig. Also appearing: science writer Gary Taubes and obesity expert professor Michael Crowley.

See it and then tell your friends. This needs to be seen by a lot of people


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: atkins; cancer; diabetes; diet; glucose; ketogenic; lowcarb; nutrition; obesity; sugar; toxic

1 posted on 08/26/2013 6:20:13 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Signalman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wZwdPkjeMM
2 posted on 08/26/2013 6:29:03 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Signalman

How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?

http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/how-did-we-come-to-believe-saturated-fat-and-cholesterol-are-bad-for-us?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-did-we-come-to-believe-saturated-fat-and-cholesterol-are-bad-for-us

About 45 minutes to an hour to watch the video, but it one of the best I’ve ever seen. Media lies and government interference with diet have a significant role with the escalating obesity levels in this country.


3 posted on 08/26/2013 6:32:10 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: MissMagnolia

>> Media lies and government interference with diet have a significant role with the escalating obesity levels in this country.

Yeah, it can’t possibly have anything to do with personal responsibility, and the solution couldn’t possibly be so simple as “don’t eat so damn much”.


4 posted on 08/26/2013 6:34:07 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Signalman

I don’t like labeling sugar “toxic” because I think it’s a misuse of the term, but it should be glaringly obvious that people consume far greater amounts of sugar than what’s been normal for centuries.

Go back 400 years ago, and the majority of our peasant ancestors never ate cane sugar, maybe honey on rare occasions for sweet foods. They also did back breaking work on a daily basis as a matter of survival.


5 posted on 08/26/2013 6:38:17 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Shadow44

Go back 400 years ago, and the majority of our peasant ancestors never ate cane sugar, maybe honey on rare occasions for sweet foods. They also did back breaking work on a daily basis as a matter of survival.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Although to be fair, the average life span then was probably about 45.


6 posted on 08/26/2013 6:41:18 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Signalman
Cane sugar isn't great, but I would rate wheat, corn/HFCS, and potatoes as bigger obesity causes. Just try to find any pre-packaged American food without one or more of those ingredients.

ADM remains a bigger villain than the Fanjul family...which isn't saying much. :)

7 posted on 08/26/2013 6:43:04 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Signalman

Thanks for posting this. I’m anxious to watch it.

And I can’t recommend Gary Taubes’ books enough. I know a number of people who have had their health restored after reading “Why We Get Fat and What to Do About it.” For several the changes go well beyond simple weight loss.


8 posted on 08/26/2013 6:44:15 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Nervous Tick

Watch the sugar video or the other one ... it’s not as simple as “don’t eat so damn much”.


9 posted on 08/26/2013 6:47:18 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: .45 Long Colt

Check out the video in post 3 ... you might be recommending that to folks as much as the Taubes book. Dr. Attia is a ‘colleague’ of Taubes and he is very articulate, excellent at explaining study results, etc. It’s made a big difference for me.


10 posted on 08/26/2013 6:51:26 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Signalman

I’ve lost 65 lbs in the last two years all because of avoiding sugar in its many forms.

I really believe that a sugar free diet makes all the difference in the world.


11 posted on 08/26/2013 6:52:41 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: MissMagnolia

>> it’s not as simple as “don’t eat so damn much”.

Bull. So don’t eat so damn much sugar, if that’s what you believe it is! And by the way, walk around more, instead of spending time in front of your computer.

What does the government, or any other externality, have to do with it?

The last time I went to the grocery store — which was last night — I don’t recall anyone putting a gun to my head and forcing me to fill my cart with certain items. I also seem to recall a lot of green stuff, fruits, meat, and so forth on the shelves.

Is an authoritarian grocery store stocked to the ceiling with only sugar a problem in your area?


12 posted on 08/26/2013 6:55:53 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Signalman
you gonna eat that sugar or can i have it???

13 posted on 08/26/2013 7:05:31 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nervous Tick

Take a hike yourself - I can (and do) 40 miles a day on marathon hikes so don’t lecture me about sitting in front of a computer.

Educate yourself .... ignorance may be bliss, but it’s bad for your health.


14 posted on 08/26/2013 7:15:23 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: MissMagnolia

I allow myself one piece of dark chocolate a day; otherwise no ice cream, donuts, cookies, etc. I used to come home from work (RN in a NICU) very stressed and let my sweet tooth go wild.

Now I’m losing weight and feeling much better. Also gave up dairy and wheat.


15 posted on 08/26/2013 7:28:12 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (She accomplished nothing: should have stayed at home and baked cookies)
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To: Nervous Tick

Your comments betray your lack of information. Opinions do not substitute for facts based on research. Anyone keeping up with research on obesity knows its a complex problem with many factors. While some are fat from over eating or eating the wrong foods many more eat sparingly and do not lose weight. The striking statistics showing that a miniscule # of people able to maintain weight loss make it quite clear that there are physiologic mechanisms at work that are not yet understood.
If it comforts you to believe that obese people have no self controls and are lazy gluttons by all means tell yourself that fairy tale.


16 posted on 08/26/2013 7:33:05 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: MissMagnolia

>> don’t lecture me

Hey, I’m not lecturing you, but you’re whining about having a problem, so I’m helping you solve it.

>> Educate yourself

I know far more about nutrition that you ever will. However, the necessary things I learned before age twelve from my Mother. Namely: eat a variety of foods, avoid processed food, REALLY avoid “junk food”, emphasize the vegetable groups. I’m in the sixth decade of life, and Mom’s advice has served me well.

One thing Mom and Dad *never* taught me: to abrogate personal responsibility and demand that the gubmint think for me.

I’m curious: where did you go off the rails? Maybe you should move to NYC; I hear Michael Bloomberg will protect you from sugar.


17 posted on 08/26/2013 7:35:28 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: JayGalt

>> Your comments betray your lack of information.... you...believe that obese people have no self controls and are lazy gluttons

Well then, by all means, inform me as to the real problem!

What is it? Government representatives are packing sugar down their throats against their will?

Seriously: after your last post, you owe it to yourself, your tinfoil-hat group, and me as well, to spell out EXACTLY HOW all this sugar is getting into the guts of all these fat people.

HOW? Spell it out, Einstein. I must be too ignorant to perceive, since (silly me!) I’m assuming they’re all voluntarily EATING it.


18 posted on 08/26/2013 7:41:00 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: JayGalt

>> make it quite clear that there are physiologic mechanisms at work that are not yet understood.

So that’s quite clear, is it?

Then use that (claimed) “fact” to demonstrate exactly why endemic obesity is a RECENT (last two or three decades) problem.

If obesity is truly a physiological problem, and not one of intake/burn ratio, simple logic would dictate that endemic obesity would have been a problem throughout history.

History shows that not to be the case, however.

Awaiting your learned reply.


19 posted on 08/26/2013 7:50:45 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: MissMagnolia
you might be recommending that to folks as much as the Taubes book. Dr. Attia is a ‘colleague’ of Taubes and he is very articulate, excellent at explaining study results, etc. It’s made a big difference for me.

Taubes, Attia, Lustig, and on and on, are all hustlers who've learned that it is much easier to promote diet fads, sell diet advice, and earn lecture fees by demonizing one macronutrient over another rather than offering the more logical, yet boring, counsel that you should eat less and exercise more. Books fly off the shelf when fats or carbohydrates are accused of being the problem, while the rather obvious idea that total calories is the problem is something that few are willing to pay for.

There are all sorts of causes for obesity, but we would all be much better off - at least as a starting point - if we would accept the fact that it's the total number of calories that's important, not the macronutrient, or the macronutrent ratio.

20 posted on 08/26/2013 8:07:46 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
" I would rate wheat, corn/HFCS, and potatoes as bigger obesity causes"

Yeah, what Jeeves said.

21 posted on 08/26/2013 8:28:11 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: JayGalt
many more eat sparingly and do not lose weight.

Are you of the opinion that a body can consume less energy than it burns and still gain weight?

The striking statistics showing that a miniscule # of people able to maintain weight loss make it quite clear that there are physiologic mechanisms at work that are not yet understood.

Overeating is a learned behavior. It can also be unlearned. Our society has become increasingly sedentary and no longer possesses a basic understanding of science, especially human nutrition. This is the problem, not some unknown physiological mechanism.

Obesity in the US is a phenomenon that has risen since WWII and our lifestyles since then have become more dramatically lethargic. Meanwhile, science and technology have combined to make food production and distribution much more efficient so that the average adult spends much less than 20% of their income on food and they have buying power to purchase more than the bare necessity. Nutritional education is lacking and the stigma attached to obesity has been removed so it's OK to be obese.

The genetic basis that was in our recent ancestors who were relatively trim are the same genes that are in us producing the same enzymes and controlled by the same hormones, yet we are obese. It seems to me that the answer for the majority of us is that we eat too damn much for the calories we burn.

22 posted on 08/26/2013 8:30:30 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Signalman

The real culprit here is high fructose corn syrup (HFCS). If many of our foods switch back to real sugar from sugar beet or sugar cane, I’ll almost guarantee the obesity could go down quite a bit.


23 posted on 08/26/2013 8:33:30 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Signalman

nonsense....if sugar ( or any other food for that matter) was ‘the cause’ of obesity then people would have been fat for thousands of years. Obesity is caused by lack of exercise....these obese children do not go outside to play (for lots of reasons), the eat generally crappy diets, and no one at home is interested in changing anything.

Sugar is not the enemy.


24 posted on 08/26/2013 8:43:54 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: RayChuang88

you can buy all sorts of food that contain NO high fructose corn syrup....all this food NAZIism is getting as boring as the climate mongers. Eat fewer calories exercise more....that has always been the key to losing weight.


25 posted on 08/26/2013 8:48:23 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Can’t just be the food. There are people (I’m one of them) who just won’t get fat, no matter how much they eat.


26 posted on 08/26/2013 8:54:55 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Your genetics have a large influence on metabolic rates..... None the less obesity was NOT common in the last century. People were active. They did not spend hours in front of the tv or the computer. They ate food that was local and fresh (or they used the canned stuff that was unpalatable). They did not try and eat crap from Mexico or south america. Fast food joints weren’t the ‘go to’ place for your children’s food.

Take a look at the obese children. Their parents (IF they have two) are obese. They do not eat from all food groups. They eat crap. They sit around playing video games and computer games.

The truth is that if you eat less calories than you burn (unless you have a problem with your thyroid....and that isn’t all that common) you will lose weight. One cannot get around that.


27 posted on 08/26/2013 9:00:33 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I know. The point is that there’s no “one size fits all” solution, but these kinds of articles always end up calling for some kind of government regulation and that’s what they always turn out to be.


28 posted on 08/26/2013 9:12:46 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: MissMagnolia

I will watch it. Thanks!


29 posted on 08/26/2013 9:35:02 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: MissMagnolia

How did we come to believe saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for us?
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Disagree with the video on a couple of things such as the term toxic and the nanny state idea of “controlling” sugar.

Fructose corn syrup is used in many foods. Found one brand of ketchup without it. They barely touched on this topic, and more could have been said.

On the issue of cholesterol - indoctrination and propaganda worked well and it has sold a lot of pharma medications.


30 posted on 08/26/2013 9:35:33 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Nervous Tick

All I can say is keep reading. The calorie is a calorie theory is long dead. The body can and does adjust how it burns food for energy. Individual metabolism is a powerful factor and many very thin people eat circles around the obese. The pyramid proposed in the mid 50’s pushed starches and correlates to the beginning of obesity in America. High fructose syrup has also been a disaster. Simplicity is attractive but really doesn’t explain obesity. There is even recent research documenting that gut flora effect digestion and can cause obesity and weight can be lost by changing the gut flora.
Even if you just read the obesity studies posted on Free Republic in a few months you will have a lot more information.


31 posted on 08/27/2013 6:37:40 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: JayGalt; Nervous Tick
Jay, Since you PM'd me this same information, I will reply here with what I sent to you by PM.

There is so much incorrect information in your reply that I don’t know where to begin. But this is typical of the responses regarding this debate, and goes to my point how we no longer educate our society in basic science.

A calorie is a measure of the amount of energy and it is always the same. It has always been defined in this manner. Amino acids, carbohydrates and fats are all metabolized using different pathways, and yes, there will be different efficiencies for each. But the untrained person rarely understands the difference between a calorie, and the efficiencies of that calorie.

High fructose corn syrup is fructose and glucose. Fructose and glucose from HFCS is no different chemically than fructose and glucose from any other source. Your body can’t tell where these two chemicals came from nor does it care. To say that there is something wrong with HFCS, but not with sucrose, or honey for that matter, only proves that the person saying such nonsense doesn’t understand very basic chemistry.

Claiming gut flora is responsible for obesity may be a great way to attract grant money, but this kind of nonsense isn’t considered serious by more objective people who have advanced training in chemistry, biology, and human physiology. I spent way too much of time in my life learning these subjects as and undergrad and grad student, and have spent way too much time in a lab putting my training to work in a real world environment to buy into any of the nonsense the purveyors of junk science are wanting to sell.

The answer is really quite simple, but simplicity doesn’t sell books or generate lecture fees and grant money. Sorry, but you’re dealing with someone who understands how these things operate, especially grant money. I’m a sound science guy who doesn’t believe stuff simply because someone sounds like they know what they’re talking about. Taubes isn’t even a scientist. He’s a freaking journalist. Yet the world treats him as an authority. Lustig doesn’t even understand fructose metabolism, yet he’s touted as an expert on that very subject.

32 posted on 08/27/2013 7:09:51 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: RayChuang88
I’ll almost guarantee the obesity could go down quite a bit.

Even though HFCS and sucrose are made up of the same chemicals and provide the same number of calories?

How does that guarantee a reduction in the rate of obesity?

33 posted on 08/27/2013 7:26:11 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Endocrinology/Obesity/38134
http://www.nature.com/news/gut-microbe-may-fight-obesity-and-diabetes-1.12975
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Nature 444, 1022–1023 (2006).
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3. Farooqi, I. S. & O’Rahilly, S.Endocr. Rev.doi:10.1210/
er.2006-0040 (2006).
4. Hill, J. O.Endocr. Rev.doi:10.1210/er.2006-0032 (2006).
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Science 280,1378–1383 (1998).
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http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/10/2277.full
A little light reading.


34 posted on 08/27/2013 7:32:30 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: Mase

A little light fructose reading, seems reputable to me:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/4/537.full


35 posted on 08/27/2013 7:34:33 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: JayGalt
Great. All sorts of things may be tied to obesity. Why should gut flora be any different, especially when the grant money that keeps you in business depends on gut flora playing a role in obesity?

I don't doubt that all of the overweight prisoners the allies found in the concentration and prison camps near the end of WWII suffered from these same gut flora issues.

You can throw up all sorts of links to research that supports whatever it is you want to claim. But I'm the last person who is going to believe that you've read through and fully understand what they've done here, and have taken the time to slog your way through all of the references. Yeah, sure.

Again, if a person consumes less energy than they burn, they will lose weight. It will take some people longer to do so, but in the end, you cannot deny thermodynamics. Not even gut flora can do it. Sorry.

36 posted on 08/27/2013 8:13:54 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: JayGalt
Wow, that's groundbreaking stuff. They could have just as easily claimed that consuming too many calories from HFCS may contribute to obesity.

I'm not going to suffer my way through all the links you conveniently post to me. But I will pose a question to you that I hope you can/will answer in your own words: If HFCS is responsible for obesity in any way, why isn't sucrose, honey, or any other caloric sweetener also responsible? HFCS is made up of fructose and glucose. So is honey. So is sucrose. If HFCS is responsible for this country becoming a nation of fatties, why aren't honey and sucrose also culpable?

37 posted on 08/27/2013 8:19:01 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: tacticalogic

well said.


38 posted on 08/27/2013 8:22:32 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Signalman

thanks for posting, mark for later


39 posted on 08/29/2013 10:59:07 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: Signalman

Thanks for posting this.

Just started the paleo diet after seeing it work for several people.


40 posted on 08/29/2013 11:05:43 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (DC, it's Versailles on the Potomac but without the food and culture)
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