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Desert Tortoise Conservation Center to euthanize hundreds of the tortoises ( endangered species )
WaPo ^ | August 25, 2013

Posted on 08/29/2013 1:10:59 PM PDT by george76

It’s been protected from meddlesome hikers by the threat of prison time. But the pampered desert dweller now faces a threat from the very people who have nurtured it as BLM closes Vegas rescue center.

LAS VEGAS — For decades, the vulnerable desert tortoise has led a sheltered existence. Developers have taken pains to keep the animal safe. It’s been protected from meddlesome hikers by the threat of prison time. And wildlife officials have set the species up on a sprawling conservation reserve outside Las Vegas.

But the pampered desert dweller now faces a threat from the very people who have nurtured it. Federal funds are running out at the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center and officials plan to close the site and euthanize hundreds of the tortoises they’ve been caring for since the animals were added to the endangered species list in 1990.

“It’s the lesser of two evils, but it’s still evil,” said U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service desert tortoise recovery coordinator Roy Averill-Murray during a visit to the soon-to-be-shuttered reserve at the southern edge of the Las Vegas Valley last week.

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1 posted on 08/29/2013 1:10:59 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Is there some reason they can’t be released back to the desert?


2 posted on 08/29/2013 1:13:40 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: george76

Why don’t they just dump the things into their own natural habitat?

Other animals gotta eat too...


3 posted on 08/29/2013 1:14:13 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: george76

Why don’t they adopt them out, like they do the wild horses?

Idiots.


4 posted on 08/29/2013 1:14:35 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: george76

I’m from the gov’ment and here to help!


5 posted on 08/29/2013 1:14:49 PM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracka -- Don't Call Me Cracker)
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To: SierraWasp; jazusamo; Flycatcher

The government killing another endangered species.

Worse than Green windmills killing endangered species like Eagles ?

ht : SierraWasp


6 posted on 08/29/2013 1:15:08 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

They could also offer them to zoos around the world, so other countries citizens can see and learn about them.


7 posted on 08/29/2013 1:15:34 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: george76

here’s an idea, release them back into the desert.


8 posted on 08/29/2013 1:15:54 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Valpal1

because then the agency will lose its hostages? They came from the desert so they can go back and mother nature will do the rest.


9 posted on 08/29/2013 1:18:07 PM PDT by RC one
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To: george76

“...As the housing boom swept through southern Nevada in the 2000s, the tortoise budget swelled. But when the recession hit, the housing market contracted, and the bureau and its local government partners began struggling to meet the center’s $1 million annual budget.”

An almost perfect metaphor for the democrat party. And we’re the turtles....


10 posted on 08/29/2013 1:19:58 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: hedgetrimmer

Well, seeing that the adoption-rate for wild horses probably approaches 1%, I suppose the government could shoot for an adoption-rate of 0.01% for tortoises.


11 posted on 08/29/2013 1:20:53 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: george76

Turtle soup anyone?


12 posted on 08/29/2013 1:23:11 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: hedgetrimmer

“Why don’t they adopt them out, like they do the wild horses?”

I tried to rescue some tortious eggs. I was informed by the local zoo where they take endangered animals that they couldn’t possibly be tortious eggs. If they were they’d have to report me and I’d be fined $10,000 and possibly spend (I think)five years in jail. I asked what to do with the eggs and he suggested an omelet. Finally, he told me to bring them at 3:00 and drop them off anonymously as the woman at the desk wouldn’t know a tortious egg from a Faberge egg.

To handle endangered species takes a special license and certification from the state and feds.


13 posted on 08/29/2013 1:23:22 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: george76

Those wacky Leftists....

Kind of like those ASPCA animal “shelters” that kill....


14 posted on 08/29/2013 1:23:33 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Just raise taxes, right? That will work. Frankly, I am stunned that Harry Reid hasn’t seen to it that the funding was continued through some pork paragraph attached to some useless legislation before now.


15 posted on 08/29/2013 1:25:18 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: george76
In a Just World, or even in a Nation of Laws, the penalty for deliberately euthanizing an endangered desert tortoise would be no less than the penalty for accidentally running one over with a dune buggy.

A hundred tortoises, a hundred times the penalty of one...

16 posted on 08/29/2013 1:27:28 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: Valpal1

There’s a sudden Vegas demand for Tortoise soup? Is there some large liberal convention coming up?


17 posted on 08/29/2013 1:29:50 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of the Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: george76; Flycatcher; SierraWasp

I wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars these desert tortoises they’re about to kill have cost businesses, taxpayers, the EPA and enviros in lawsuits over the years?


18 posted on 08/29/2013 1:33:19 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: Valpal1
The story explains the problem. The whole thing was a government scam. When developers began building in the "habitat" the government made them pay a fee on each house built to fund the center. They accepted all donations of turtles. Now, the builders aren't building and the fees are running out. So, they are closing down.

I don't know why the turtles can't be released but I suspect they have collected so many that most could not survive. The turtles would have been better off if the government hadn't meddled in the first place.

19 posted on 08/29/2013 1:37:40 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: FourtySeven

You betcha. Especially if Shelby Stanga finds out they’re gonna be kilt.


20 posted on 08/29/2013 1:43:24 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Valpal1
That is what they should do.

As the casinos don't have an interest in it though that isn't what they are planning to do.

21 posted on 08/29/2013 1:44:35 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: george76

Why don’t we reduce welfare so-called “benefits” for the looter class and save the tortoises? The tortoises are at least kind of... well, not cute, exactly, but not downright ugly, right?


22 posted on 08/29/2013 1:52:17 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: jazusamo; george76
I've talked to some tortoise people before and from what I understand, they don't like to release captive tortoises back into the wild because some captive tortoises carry a pulmonary disease that may infect wild populations. But that's in California. Arizona doesn't seem to worry as much about the pulmonary problems. And as for Nevada, I know for a fact that captive tortoises are often released near Pahrump and Sandy Valley. Why there? I don't know, but I regularly see tortoises there every year.

As for this euthanasia proposal, I've never heard of such gall. These extortionists disgust me. But it's so typical.

23 posted on 08/29/2013 2:01:51 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: george76
They are everywhere. Interesting that the OP shows the "habitat" but not the animal itself...


24 posted on 08/29/2013 2:03:47 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Seeing that a tortoise isn’t a horse and doesn’t even eat for 5 months out of the year, more people might be inclined to own one.

What do you care anyway?


25 posted on 08/29/2013 2:11:28 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Flycatcher

Thanks for that info. Don’t understand why the different policies between the states but they may not either:)

It is hard to understand the whole euthanasia thing after all the years disruption that’s been caused.


26 posted on 08/29/2013 2:13:25 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: Gen.Blather

It can be done.

This problem exposes the communist structure of the environmental laws.

Bureaucrat created law trumping common sense and the will of the people.


27 posted on 08/29/2013 2:15:34 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: RC one

Cue the National Lampoon “Buy this magazine or we’ll shoot this dog” cover.

Or one of PBS’s “Cut our funding by a single cent and we’ll cancel Sesame Street” press releases.


28 posted on 08/29/2013 2:20:21 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: jazusamo
The Colorado River forms a natural barrier to infected tortoise migration. Since most of the pulmonary problems occur in Cal tortoises, Arizona doesn't seem to have the zero-tolerance mentality of their Cal counterparts. Or so I've experienced. Both states, though, don't want you releasing captive tortoises back into the wild. They encourage adoption.

Now why this sanctuary in Nevada is not encouraging adoption is baffling. I don't get it.

29 posted on 08/29/2013 2:23:00 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

“Bureaucrat created law trumping common sense and the will of the people.”

I was interviewing (for an artcle) the president of what was then the fifth largest home builder in the country. He said that if they discovered an eagle’s nest all work had to stop. He was spending half a million a week and an eagle’s nest on his several hundred acre development it would cause him to go bankrupt. He could figure when to the day. That would cost not only his multi-generation company but 500 direct jobs and thousands of indirect jobs. So, (and he said he’d never done this) over a weekend somebody would cut down the tree and kill the eagle and he’d pay the (I think) $15,000 fine. It was either that or go bankrupt. He called the environmental laws “well intentioned insanity.”


30 posted on 08/29/2013 2:23:38 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: george76
Don't you people undstand that the GovernMental EnvironMental Comyoonutty had already decared these critters EXTINCT!!! (of course the govermint can't release them because then folks will find out THEY'RE STILL ALIVE!!!)

The reason they were endangered is that their preditors, the Bald Eagles and the Condors were eating all the tortoises while they were under the protection of the govermint due to them being threatened by DDT!!!

Meanwhile, multi-millions of tax dollars and uncountable losses in business dollars have suffered through exercices in futility called MITIGATION!!! (enforced on legitimate business losing the "War On The WEST!")

Cain't you guys rememmer any of this stuff suffocating both naychur and our economy? Of course you can!!!

Thanks for posting this artickle Mr. George76, thank you very much.

31 posted on 08/29/2013 4:15:49 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
S#$T.....don't get me started on "wild horses".

I know at least three large ranches making money on warehousing "wild horses"....It's a joke. I don't blame the ranches....I blame our STUPID FED'S....!!

We are totally stupid to let this happen..

32 posted on 08/29/2013 4:22:35 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Osage Orange

Back in the day, some desert homesteaders rescued the tortoises on their own.

Then that was made illegal.


33 posted on 08/29/2013 4:28:25 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Gen.Blather

These laws are not ‘well intentioned’.

They are the outcome of the desire by certain forces working within our country to outlaw private property by individual citizens, as well as freedom to make decisions about your property and then do them.

The environmental movement- or green movement- is the child of nazi socialism. I say this because the nazi party in germany, in the late 1960’s changed their name from the nazi party to the green party because the word nazi was so off-putting to people.

But, no matter how you apply the lipstick, a pig is still a pig.

Please remember, our ancestors realized property is power, and owning property can give you wealth and standing in the community. That is why so many Americans settled Texas and the West— to own property.

It is the reason private property is the enemy of the environmental socialists. It is why so much of the country is now under control of local, state or federal governments— all the greenbelts, parks you can’t get to because the roads are closed, beaches where humans are banned from setting foot, and blm lands that are being set up as national monuments to keep private individuals from ranching, mining, fishing or logging them.


34 posted on 08/29/2013 4:36:27 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

“It is the reason private property is the enemy of the environmental socialists. It is why so much of the country is now under control of local, state or federal governments— all the greenbelts, parks you can’t get to because the roads are closed, beaches where humans are banned from setting foot, and blm lands that are being set up as national monuments to keep private individuals from ranching, mining, fishing or logging them.”

I’m hoping the pendulum will fall the other way and all this goes away. The county to the south of me is 95% government land. It hasn’t advanced economically in decades. If the land was open it would be a gold mine.


35 posted on 08/29/2013 4:43:07 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yep....

I remember..............


36 posted on 08/29/2013 6:24:21 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: george76

Soylent Green is Desert Tortoise ! It’s Desert Tortoise !


37 posted on 08/30/2013 5:43:08 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: jazusamo

IIRC, the Vegas to Barstow race was shut down over these critters.


38 posted on 08/30/2013 5:47:26 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: george76

It’s not difficult to understand why the government would simply kill them all rather than release them or adopt them out. It’s a straightforward hostage situation:

“Restore our funding through other means, or we’ll kill the hostages.”

They’ll probably start by killing them a few at a time to see if new funding appears.


39 posted on 08/30/2013 5:53:31 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yes, I believe the tortoise ended the off road races. It was also responsible for delaying the expansion of the Ft. Irwin National Training Center outside Barstow for years.


40 posted on 08/30/2013 8:27:53 AM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: george76

If it’s not the desert tortoise, what is Reid’s corrupt BLM protecting?


41 posted on 04/11/2014 3:06:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The issue is never the issue: the real issue has nothing to do with bio - diversity ...

<< what is Reid’s corrupt BLM protecting ? >>

How Harry Reid has been pulling strings for Chinese solar energy company.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/dirty-harrys-clean-energy-cronyism/

The son of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Rory Reid, is the primary representative for ENN Energy Group, a Chinese energy company seeking to build a $5 billion solar panel plant

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/04/Harry-Reid-s-Son-Representing-Chinese-Solar-Panel-Plant-In-5-Billion-Nevada-Deal

and more

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/12730-harry-reid-bolsters-son%E2%80%99s-interests-in-chinese-solar-plant-deal


42 posted on 04/11/2014 3:44:26 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Gen.Blather

“I tried to rescue some tortious eggs.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

I never suspected that attorneys lay eggs.


43 posted on 04/11/2014 7:32:39 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

That looks like the same thing I used to find every day when I was a kid and I danged sure didn’t live in a desert, there ain’t too many deserts in South Carolina.


44 posted on 04/11/2014 7:35:58 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Valpal1
Is there some reason they can’t be released back to the desert?

No. But that would get in the way of the orders to euthanize them. In the Era of Hope and Change, orders are orders. And the BLM is, uh, just following orders. *shrug*

45 posted on 04/11/2014 9:44:02 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: george76

Are these the ones they ‘relocated’ for the big solar project they were whooping it up about?


46 posted on 04/13/2014 12:32:15 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: george76

desert tortoise recovery coordinator Roy Averill-? They created a job for that?


47 posted on 04/13/2014 12:35:34 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: george76

They had to destroy the tortoise in order to save it.


48 posted on 04/13/2014 8:24:03 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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