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MY 9MM Every Day Carry AMMO [video only]
YouTube.com ^ | 8-30-2013 | tnoutdoors9

Posted on 08/30/2013 7:12:32 PM PDT by servo1969


Outline of the criteria that I use for selecting my carry ammo, and presenting some choices that I considerable viable for carry in my chosen platform. I've had this question so often, it was time to make a video on the topic. I've been shooting 9mm on a regular basis since the late 90's, so my research into this began at that time. Obviously, technology has changed quite a bit. There is a ton of useful information online, but having the ability to run ammo tests in the backyard has certainly helped to confirm (or not) my research over the years.

Worth reading:

Ammo test spreadsheet
https://drive.google.com/folderview?i...

Another spreadsheet
http://imgur.com/kQjag

"I Don't Hate the 9mm Anymore"
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/09/i-d...

"9mm Overwhelming Choice" http://www.gunreports.com/special_rep...

9mm Ammo Selection
http://forums.officer.com/t179438/

Best Choices for 9mm Ammo http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self...

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1 posted on 08/30/2013 7:12:32 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Ping! (not to be confused with ricochet)


2 posted on 08/30/2013 7:19:29 PM PDT by folkquest (I plan on being cranky for the next 4 years. Hope to crack a political smile at the midterms!)
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To: servo1969

Not exactly sure what I’m supposed to glean from a thumbnail of an image of a spreadsheet...


3 posted on 08/30/2013 7:21:51 PM PDT by null and void (Bush: Cowboy Diplomacy. Obama: Rodeo Clown Diplomacy.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

I didn’t make the video.

I’m just posting the link.

tnoutdoors9 makes a lot of good ammo review videos on his YouTube channel and I guess people are always asking him which he chooses to carry in his concealed pistol.


5 posted on 08/30/2013 7:28:30 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: ConradofMontferrat
TNOuTdoors9 has been posting very valuable information on bullets and firearms fro a number of years. He does the chrony work and the ballistics gel testing, then shares it in video format for anyone smart enough to watch his work. He also has a great sense of humor and will include the occasional visit to his compound by Sasquatch. Once in a while hickok45 will mosey into the video. It doesn't get any better than that, FRiend.
6 posted on 08/30/2013 7:36:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: servo1969

I just knew you had to be a Freeper! If you’re back East, around Kingsport the first Friday of each month, we have a chapter which meets for lunch and gab, 11:30 Perkins, the Hwy 36 exit off of I 81. We usually sit in the back at a round table.


7 posted on 08/30/2013 7:38:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: servo1969

HST


8 posted on 08/30/2013 7:43:19 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: MHGinTN

I’m sorry, I’m not thoutdoors9. I’m just a fan.


9 posted on 08/30/2013 7:49:07 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: ConradofMontferrat

>> just a dumb Pollack pig farmer from the backwash of PA.

So where do you hail from, elitist asswipe?


10 posted on 08/30/2013 8:25:50 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: servo1969

Cop told me that the Hornady Zombie Max .223/5.56 was very good stuff, essentially the same as what they use. I understand that collateral damage figures into the equation. Also he said the DRT frangible was pretty lethal stuff.

I didn’t see any of the Herter’s 154 grain SP 7.62x39 in the quick skim of the link. Not seen any tests on it but looks like a fairly effective round. And it’s very reasonably priced, i.e. cheap & Cabelas usually has plenty. I can’t tell a bit of difference in recoil compared to 124 grain FMJ.


11 posted on 08/30/2013 8:37:56 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I will have to check those out. I’ve been searching for the best 5.56 mm projectile available from a self defense perspective for several days now. Lots of options. lots of opinions. lots of barrel twist rates. etc. One person will swear by a projectile and the next person will curse it. I’m liking varmint grenades too but, like everything else, opinions vary. I have personally seen them shoot what was basically hole for hole at 100 yards however.


12 posted on 08/30/2013 8:54:48 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

The 154 grain SP 7.62x39 is considered suitable for white tail deer, so I would assume it has some value as an anti personnel round.

One thing I see left out of discussions of “self defense” rounds is just how are we defining “self defense”?

Handguns are usually discussed as personal carry & without the notion that one would have 10 or 20 boxes of the expensive defense ammo.

But is your AR or AK for a couple of homicidal “teens” breaking into your home, or is it for serious, widespread breakdowns in law and order? If it is the latter, I think we are getting a little too anal as to minute ballistic differences when the real criteria should be that it is decent anti personnel while cheap enough for you to have a *good* supply of the stuff on hand and be reasonably competent and accurate with the carbine. SHTF, I don’t want a few boxes of expensive US made AK ammo. I want a much more of the reliable 154 SP that I can hit hard and heavy with...a lot, without running out. Quantity has a place in the larger scale disaster scenario.


13 posted on 08/30/2013 9:15:32 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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14 posted on 08/30/2013 9:16:09 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: servo1969

barrier/ballistic testing with 9mm loads.

I have both gold dot and critical duty loads. Both are pretty good depending on the situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3XNWU8xaxk&feature=c4-overview&list=UUZ-qxagOkAmCEP-Tu6YliUQ


15 posted on 08/30/2013 9:25:14 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Restoration of the Republic)
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To: servo1969

I use DRT Frangible bullets loaded into my .357SIG.

I unfortunately had to put an elk down that I hit with my truck, and it was the only ammo I had with me, the level of damage was upsetting to the stomach, but impressive, if one of 0bamas sons attacked me, that would be what I want in my chamber.


16 posted on 08/30/2013 9:35:37 PM PDT by GunHoardingCapitalist (Join me in the world of next Tuesday!)
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To: All

Federal Hydra-Shoks in my Beretta 92FS

I was advised to use what local LEO uses so some overzealous, anti-gun DA can’t try to accuse me of using “cop killer” bullets, even if I’m using them against a criminal in defense of my life.


17 posted on 08/30/2013 10:52:10 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Ask the MSM about Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian. Observe the subsequent blank stares.)
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To: MHGinTN

The video shows he is ACCURATE!


18 posted on 08/30/2013 11:03:23 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

I use what I need and what proven most effective. The pistol I carry is a Sig 239, but I rarely carry, small town West Texas theres not much to worry about here. The pistol that rides in my console is an old T series Browning Hi-Power that was my last duty pistol. My days are spent on the ranch and rattlers, coyotes and feral hogs are the only thugs I have to deal with. I’ve probably taken close to 35 hogs of various sizes, over a dozen yotes and more rattlers than I can count. I use nothing but FMJ’s in both, I like the penetration and I’m a firm believer in leaving them bleeding out both sides. For home protection I have a Jack Russel and a Ithaca model 37 riot model loaded with 00 buck.


19 posted on 08/31/2013 2:32:07 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: MHGinTN

I like when TNOuTdoors9 is on the Talking Lead podcast. When these three get together, things get hilarious.


20 posted on 08/31/2013 2:36:17 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: Nervous Tick

Apparently, he hails from “Comment #4 Removed by Moderator”.


21 posted on 08/31/2013 2:39:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: GunHoardingCapitalist

I have that in my 1911 (took them a while to get round to a 45 ACP...they started with the smaller rounds)...


22 posted on 08/31/2013 2:41:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

I mix ammo in my mags. 3 hydra shocks then 3 FMJ. 15 rounds for my 92FS.


23 posted on 08/31/2013 6:25:38 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: servo1969
Just some old time experience to add to this.
I preferred .45acp for most work for many years. However there were some instances where 9mm was the ammo required.
The reasons do not matter, but that was the way it was.
In these cases, I used a 9mm Hi Power and the 9mm round C9BP..it worked. Availability was very good both domestically and over seas.
24 posted on 08/31/2013 7:20:49 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Yorlik803

Mixing ammo is okay, but the backup mag(s) should be ball ammo, since they are with you incase of a serious firefight. The first few rounds out of my Bersa Thunder 9 Ultra Compact are hollow points for close-in max damage, quickly. All the rounds in the 16 round backup mags are ball ammo, one of 147 grain and one of 115 grain.


25 posted on 08/31/2013 7:23:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: RC one

This looks like it would be a superb self defense round - if you can find it.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/615622/black-hills-ammunition

The zombie ammo (z-max) is the basically the same thing as the V-Max.


26 posted on 08/31/2013 8:22:34 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Waste of good money. Buy the Barnaul hollow point ammo for your AR15 and know that the bad guys are not going to know the difference when hit with either bullet. I shoot piston guns and the Russian HP steel ammo runs fine in them. Chamber brush with CLP after a couple thousand rounds and it’s good to go another 2000 or 5000 rounds.


27 posted on 08/31/2013 9:00:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: RC one

Careful with varmint grenades and other such fragmenting loads for self defense. They are designed to basically explode, ie, violently fragment on contact so you won’t get much penetration.


28 posted on 08/31/2013 9:01:17 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: MHGinTN

Cheap ammo is fine for everyday shooting, but the expansion on that TSX bullet is nothing short of amazing. If you’re using an AR for your only home defense weapon, as opposed to a shotgun, I’d probably want to have a magazine or two of that stuff loaded up to use in the event of a home invasion.

Your piston gun is not going to get fouled up as much using the cheap ammo either.


29 posted on 08/31/2013 9:11:53 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

I just watched the ballistic gel test of that bullet. Wow, that expansion cavity is going to ruin internal organs if the round enters anywhere in the torso, from adams apple to groin! One shot drop with that baby.


30 posted on 08/31/2013 12:31:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gAZqV64FR2o&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgAZqV64FR2o

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/DocGKRData/223%20Barrier%20Rounds.htm


31 posted on 08/31/2013 12:42:10 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Eagles6

There’s something to be said for fragmenting. Though there’s something to be said for penetrating too. Unless they’re wearing BPVs, I wouldn’t want too much penetration. The ability of the old M193 ball round to inflict devastating injuries was due to it’s fragmentability at high velocity. It was actually considered “inhumane”. The heavier SS109 projectile fired from the M855 ball round also fragments but it loses its ability to fragment after it hits about 2,700 fps making it particularly unsuited for carbine length rifles out beyond 70-100 yards. The varmint grenade, on the other hand, fragments at much lower velocities which A.) makes it unlikely to go through the perp where it can hurt an innocent bystander/family member and B.)extends the range at which fragmentation can occur. Magazines can be filled with different ammo for different purposes too incidentally. My $.02 worth there.


32 posted on 08/31/2013 2:20:54 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one
Worth thinking about. I would be interested in seeing some ballistic gelatin tests to see how much penetration you get when fired in the 5 - 25 yd range.

A soft point is another good option as they will actually mushroom.

33 posted on 08/31/2013 2:29:16 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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