Posted on 08/30/2013 7:12:32 PM PDT by servo1969
Outline of the criteria that I use for selecting my carry ammo, and presenting some choices that I considerable viable for carry in my chosen platform. I've had this question so often, it was time to make a video on the topic. I've been shooting 9mm on a regular basis since the late 90's, so my research into this began at that time. Obviously, technology has changed quite a bit. There is a ton of useful information online, but having the ability to run ammo tests in the backyard has certainly helped to confirm (or not) my research over the years.
Worth reading:
Ammo test spreadsheet
https://drive.google.com/folderview?i...
Another spreadsheet
http://imgur.com/kQjag
"I Don't Hate the 9mm Anymore"
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/09/i-d...
"9mm Overwhelming Choice" http://www.gunreports.com/special_rep...
9mm Ammo Selection
http://forums.officer.com/t179438/
Best Choices for 9mm Ammo http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self...
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Not exactly sure what I’m supposed to glean from a thumbnail of an image of a spreadsheet...
I didn’t make the video.
I’m just posting the link.
tnoutdoors9 makes a lot of good ammo review videos on his YouTube channel and I guess people are always asking him which he chooses to carry in his concealed pistol.
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I’m sorry, I’m not thoutdoors9. I’m just a fan.
>> just a dumb Pollack pig farmer from the backwash of PA.
So where do you hail from, elitist asswipe?
Cop told me that the Hornady Zombie Max .223/5.56 was very good stuff, essentially the same as what they use. I understand that collateral damage figures into the equation. Also he said the DRT frangible was pretty lethal stuff.
I didn’t see any of the Herter’s 154 grain SP 7.62x39 in the quick skim of the link. Not seen any tests on it but looks like a fairly effective round. And it’s very reasonably priced, i.e. cheap & Cabelas usually has plenty. I can’t tell a bit of difference in recoil compared to 124 grain FMJ.
I will have to check those out. I’ve been searching for the best 5.56 mm projectile available from a self defense perspective for several days now. Lots of options. lots of opinions. lots of barrel twist rates. etc. One person will swear by a projectile and the next person will curse it. I’m liking varmint grenades too but, like everything else, opinions vary. I have personally seen them shoot what was basically hole for hole at 100 yards however.
The 154 grain SP 7.62x39 is considered suitable for white tail deer, so I would assume it has some value as an anti personnel round.
One thing I see left out of discussions of “self defense” rounds is just how are we defining “self defense”?
Handguns are usually discussed as personal carry & without the notion that one would have 10 or 20 boxes of the expensive defense ammo.
But is your AR or AK for a couple of homicidal “teens” breaking into your home, or is it for serious, widespread breakdowns in law and order? If it is the latter, I think we are getting a little too anal as to minute ballistic differences when the real criteria should be that it is decent anti personnel while cheap enough for you to have a *good* supply of the stuff on hand and be reasonably competent and accurate with the carbine. SHTF, I don’t want a few boxes of expensive US made AK ammo. I want a much more of the reliable 154 SP that I can hit hard and heavy with...a lot, without running out. Quantity has a place in the larger scale disaster scenario.
barrier/ballistic testing with 9mm loads.
I have both gold dot and critical duty loads. Both are pretty good depending on the situation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3XNWU8xaxk&feature=c4-overview&list=UUZ-qxagOkAmCEP-Tu6YliUQ
I use DRT Frangible bullets loaded into my .357SIG.
I unfortunately had to put an elk down that I hit with my truck, and it was the only ammo I had with me, the level of damage was upsetting to the stomach, but impressive, if one of 0bamas sons attacked me, that would be what I want in my chamber.
Federal Hydra-Shoks in my Beretta 92FS
I was advised to use what local LEO uses so some overzealous, anti-gun DA can’t try to accuse me of using “cop killer” bullets, even if I’m using them against a criminal in defense of my life.
The video shows he is ACCURATE!
I use what I need and what proven most effective. The pistol I carry is a Sig 239, but I rarely carry, small town West Texas theres not much to worry about here. The pistol that rides in my console is an old T series Browning Hi-Power that was my last duty pistol. My days are spent on the ranch and rattlers, coyotes and feral hogs are the only thugs I have to deal with. I’ve probably taken close to 35 hogs of various sizes, over a dozen yotes and more rattlers than I can count. I use nothing but FMJ’s in both, I like the penetration and I’m a firm believer in leaving them bleeding out both sides. For home protection I have a Jack Russel and a Ithaca model 37 riot model loaded with 00 buck.
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