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Police make arrest in case (Oregon cattle killing)
The Observer ^ | August 30, 2013 | Kelly Ducote

Posted on 08/31/2013 2:51:13 PM PDT by jazusamo

Dr. Joel D. Rice
Dr. Joel D. Rice

La Grande doctor arrested in connection to Aug. 15 Glass Hill cattle killing

A La Grande doctor was charged with seven counts of aggravated animal abuse and first-degree criminal mischief in connection with cattle shootings earlier this month.

Joel D. Rice, 57, was arrested Thursday night following a two-week investigation by the Union County Sheriff’s Office into the shooting of seven cows on Glass Hill Road on Aug. 15.

Six cows died as a result, according to police.

Police say the dead cattle were discovered on Rice’s property.

Capt. Craig Ward with the sheriff’s office said on the day of the incident, Rice came home and the cattle were blocking his
driveway.

“He was pretty upset about that,” Ward said.

The cows were shot with a rifle, police said.

(Excerpt) Read more at lagrandeobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: cattlekilling; oregon
Sounds like this psychiatrist may be on the wrong side of the door to a padded cell.
1 posted on 08/31/2013 2:51:13 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Some anger management issues, doc?


2 posted on 08/31/2013 2:53:45 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: george76; Flycatcher

Reminds me of the bison killed in CO that ‘trespassed’ on the rich guys ranch.


3 posted on 08/31/2013 2:55:36 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Aside from the OBVIOUS stupidity, this was not a logical thing to do from even the most selfish perspective.

Surely it would be easier to shoo seven cows off of your driveway than it would be to haul seven dead cow carcasses off of your driveway.


4 posted on 08/31/2013 2:58:28 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jazusamo

Sounds like the Ft. Hood shooter. Some soldiers were standing ahead of him in line.


5 posted on 08/31/2013 2:59:35 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: jazusamo
Wait, a minute....He was upset that cattle were blocking his way, so he shot them?? That leaves a major problem, as a practical matter....

That guy's as sharp as a box full of bowling balls....

6 posted on 08/31/2013 3:01:26 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: Cicero; BipolarBob
this was not a logical thing to do from even the most selfish perspective.

Absolutely, this guy is some kind of nut.

7 posted on 08/31/2013 3:01:37 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Has that liberal look to me.


8 posted on 08/31/2013 3:07:47 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (You hear it here first.)
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To: jazusamo
Aha!!! FTA:

Ward said the area was previously open range, but that Rice had led an effort to create a livestock district and make the land closed range.

Rice was POed the cattle were there, period. Given a chance, he'd shoot the livestock owners.

9 posted on 08/31/2013 3:08:38 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yep, it sounds like he moved there and got a group together to get rid of the open range listing and succeeded.

I’d say the Doc is not well liked by the ranchers and vice versa but the Doc is going to pay for that beef, I hope they were big and ready for market. :-)


10 posted on 08/31/2013 3:13:36 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

COW KILLER!

11 posted on 08/31/2013 3:21:23 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: jazusamo

If they had been somebody’s dog(s) on another person’s property, certain freepers would have been cheering him on and/or bragging about how they’d do the same thing.


12 posted on 08/31/2013 3:26:31 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: servo1969

LOL! A century or so ago a lynch mob wouldn’t have been out of the question.

That guy with the Tommy gun is having a great time:)


13 posted on 08/31/2013 3:27:20 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
If I were king, this guy would get about 20 years cleaning bull pasture.
14 posted on 08/31/2013 3:31:15 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Cows on the loose don’t bite anyone as a rule. OTH, they WILL eat your most expensive landscaping and fertilize your lawn in a BIG way.

Where I grew up, loose cows, hogs, horses you name it, was just a way of life.

Cows HATE brooms, they run at the sight of one.

So why did the shrink blast away at seven good cows? I’m thinking he suddenly got a big hankering for some fresh jerky.

Cause if that isn’t the case, this guy belongs in his own straight jacket.


15 posted on 08/31/2013 3:36:05 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: jazusamo
Makes me want to know the rest of the story.

He led a movement to close the range land. Pissed off all the area ranchers, I bet.
How many times had he come home to find, as the article stated, cattle from multiple ranches wandering in his yard and crapping all over the place.
How cooperative were the local deputies in the midst of an old fashioned range war.

Once upon a time in a range war, someones cattle ended up on your land one too many times, you had fresh steaks.

16 posted on 08/31/2013 3:42:35 PM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: jazusamo

Ahhh; a psychiatrist: that explains it.


17 posted on 08/31/2013 3:43:09 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ConradofMontferrat
"Cows on the loose don’t bite anyone as a rule."

True. Nevertheless, I would also aver that you are putting your implicit trust in Kelly Ducote of The Observer and her editors to differentiate between "cows" and, "bulls". I do not. Note also that the citations from law enforcement, while not direct quotes, use the terms, "cattle," or, "livestock," rather than the more generic, "cows." For my money, I would much rather have a strange dog of any breed on my property than a disoriented, confused (much less enraged) bull on my property.

My post was not to imply that a person doesn't have a right to shoot a threatening animal, but simply to compare the doctor's actions to the remarks typically found on the Chet_99 tribute threads, in which certain FReepers pledge to shoot their neighbor's pitbulls, "if they ever set foot on my property," (or in some cases, to surreptitiously poison them on their own property) regardless of the threat they actually may pose.

18 posted on 08/31/2013 3:49:39 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I’d like to hear the whole story, but by the sounds of it Rice wanted everything around him to change to suit his preferences and when he didn’t get his own way - Blam.

I’d be curious to know where he stands on gun control. I’d give odds he’s for it (for everyone else but not for himself).


19 posted on 08/31/2013 3:49:48 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: jazusamo


20 posted on 08/31/2013 3:52:47 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: generally
I’d like to hear the whole story, but by the sounds of it Rice wanted everything around him to change to suit his preferences and when he didn’t get his own way - Blam.

I bet the ranchers were needling him, too. Note the cattle all came from different owners. Juck him if he can't take a foke.

21 posted on 08/31/2013 3:55:47 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yeah he shot them because they wouldn’t mooooove


22 posted on 08/31/2013 4:02:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I’ve never known a cattleman who would do something like this. Cows are too valuable.


23 posted on 08/31/2013 4:04:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jazusamo

Some thoughts:

If you don’t like cattle, don’t moove (get it?) where they are.

He should have put up a fence.

If nearby ranchers were putting cattle on his land on purpose to needle him, they lose any right to gripe when he offs said cattle.


24 posted on 08/31/2013 4:07:06 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Ophiucus; Cyber Liberty; generally

Glass Hill Road is in the sticks, far from the town of La Grande. LG has it’s own PD and this was handled by the Sheriff’s Dept.

It looks like this guy moved into cattle country and caused a stink and doubt he bought a place built on a lot, usually places out like that have some acreage.


25 posted on 08/31/2013 4:08:08 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: driftdiver

True dat. Just as the good Dr. is about to find out.


26 posted on 08/31/2013 4:10:24 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Cattle is the generic term. This being apparently a beef cattle range, it is probable some of the “cows” were actually steers or calves. Bulls are possible, but not very likely.


27 posted on 08/31/2013 4:14:25 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ( (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Sherman Logan

Point taken. Nevertheless, I stand by my original contention that had a tame, neutered, docile pit bull (or breed the press generically lumps in that category) accidentally strayed onto somebody’s property, there are a contingent of FReepers who would rabidly defend the person that shot it.


28 posted on 08/31/2013 4:24:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Agreed. I think both sides of the pit bull debate are nuts.

The breed(s) as a a sub-species are not inherently dangerous, but they are statistically MUCH more likely to cause serious injury or death than some other breeds.

IOW, breed profiling works as a way of making logical decisions about risk, just as it does with human races/subspecies. You just have to remember it is a statistical average issue, and tells you absolutely nothing about the risk posed by any given individual dog or person.


29 posted on 08/31/2013 4:29:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ( (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Sherman Logan

Didn’t want to highjack the thread, so you have FReemail.


30 posted on 08/31/2013 4:44:52 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

A lot of ranchers in this area don’t keep bulls anymore, most of them use AI because it’s easier than keeping bulls.


31 posted on 08/31/2013 5:13:20 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: jazusamo

Should have stayed in the city .... Progressive turds like him have now business outside high rises and subway tunnels.


32 posted on 08/31/2013 5:24:19 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Progressives are never accountable for "unintended consequences" .... just for causing most)
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To: Joe 6-pack

LOL, HOO BOOIE,

Hey, Yo! Joe, Settle down baby!

I have no clue who in hell Kelly Ducote is! If you say she’s a dingbat, I’ll believe you before I believe her. After all you are a FRiend.

Now, I know what you mean about the bozos who want to shoot any pitbull on sight. And yeah, they are all just big belchers of fartgas for the most part. I’m sure that given the chance, most of them COULD NOT squeeze that trigger.

But, as you know, talk is cheap.

But lets get back to the cows in the driveway. I have NEVER in my LIFE seen more than ONE bull wandering around loose. Two bulls within the same 5 acres is a fight, and one to behold! I’d be out there taking pictures, to be sure.

Bulls just DON’T do that. SOOO, I have to assume that they were in fact COWS.

And you are way correct in being more worried about a pissed off bull than any pack of dogs. A small, half ton bull in “must” is a thing to be reckoned with. And post haste if one wants to stay alive.

And I agree also, surreptitiously poisoning animals that you happen to dislike, is the sign of a yuppie who can’t stomach the thought of squeezing the trigger.

If and when I have a problem, I still subscribe to the age old, tried and true, 3-S principle.

OTH Joe, you have to admit, shooting 7 cows is a bit of overkill.

He’s a closed range guy, he just got a hard on for the neighbor’s cows.

What a waste of a resource.

Have a good weekend and do me a big favor, go plant some flags on Vets graves in your local cemetery.

God Bless.


33 posted on 08/31/2013 5:44:31 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: jazusamo

“The cattle were blocking his driveway.”

Probably because he wouldn’t prescribe them any mooed-altering drugs.


34 posted on 08/31/2013 5:54:00 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ConradofMontferrat
"I have no clue who in hell Kelly Ducote is!

She's the author of the article. I simply pointed out that I'm always skeptical of any news reporter getting the facts right. For most reporters, all firearms are "AK-47s", and most dog attacks are by "pit bulls." Why wouldn't all cattle be, "cows"?

I absolutely concur that shooting seven "cows" is overkill. So is killing one dog that has done nothing more than stray onto somebody else's property. I was merely equating the two scenarios :-)

35 posted on 08/31/2013 5:56:20 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Ophiucus
Makes me want to know the rest of the story.

The rest of the story?

OK, this is what really happened.

Ole Mule

36 posted on 08/31/2013 5:57:23 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: blueunicorn6

Heh heh heh,

That’s pretty good but that Doc is the one that’s going to need those mooed-altering drugs when he walks out of that courtroom, hopefully anyway. :-)


37 posted on 08/31/2013 6:02:22 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Hey, Joe, (shux, I just wrote that and Jimi Hendrix popped into my head)

I understand your point. I too just don’t think people need to go around killing dogs they don’t know.

Me? I like to lure them in and if they are good doggies, (98% are good doggies) collar or no, I have a lot of friends who will take them in, no questions asked.

Your dog gets out without a tag? Boo on you. It isn’t the dog’s fault. Maybe the dog needs someone who really cares.

Have a really good weekend.


38 posted on 08/31/2013 6:03:36 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: BwanaNdege

LOL!


39 posted on 08/31/2013 6:06:40 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: BwanaNdege

That joke is so old I had to brush a couple fossils off it to listen.


40 posted on 08/31/2013 6:42:21 PM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: jazusamo
Sounds like this psychiatrist may be on the wrong side of the door to a padded cell.

Seems that the sickos become psychiatrists, the uber-racist become social actions wonks, etc. There are certain professions/careers that always have me studying the person to see how badly they exhibit the tendencies they supposedly combat.

41 posted on 09/01/2013 4:08:20 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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