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What if the "limited strike" is a failure?

Posted on 09/04/2013 4:39:49 AM PDT by A Cyrenian

If Obama gets approval for his limited strike and it doesn't accomplish what they think it will. What happens then?

Will ol' big ears get in front of the cameras and tell us, " well, I guess the shovel ready job weren't quite shovel ready"?


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1 posted on 09/04/2013 4:39:49 AM PDT by A Cyrenian
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To: A Cyrenian

They are already talking about a “committment” months long, not days or weeks. No, this is an open ended military involvement and the lemmings in the congress are lining up behind it. I think they should all take an oath which says if we don’t accomplish this objective, they quit and forego their benefits.


2 posted on 09/04/2013 4:42:39 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: A Cyrenian

The Boy King is poking a hornet’s nest with just a little stick. What could go wrong?


3 posted on 09/04/2013 4:43:14 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: A Cyrenian

Well since there’s no goal, purpose or objective, how can it be a failure?

It’s one or two cruise missiles aimed at some Syrian DOD office building. The only way it fails is if the things don’t explode.


4 posted on 09/04/2013 4:45:44 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: txrefugee

Exactly the analogy I was thinking about...


5 posted on 09/04/2013 4:46:18 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: A Cyrenian
It won't fail. You are just confused about the objectives.

1. Allow Obama to say he did something bold.

2. Provide the media a stage prop to declare, “Obama took bold decisive action, but only after the kind of careful deliberation that is normally associated with Solomon or a Greek hero.”

As long as he launched one missile, he will achieve #1 and #2.

6 posted on 09/04/2013 4:46:40 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Mouton

I think they should consider Dick Armey’s proposal, but wait that will never happen.


7 posted on 09/04/2013 4:47:00 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: A Cyrenian

If Obama gets approval for his limited strike and it doesn’t accomplish what they think it will. What happens then?
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First what do they think it will accomplish?

The bombing is only being done to save Obama’s face.
Will it accomplish that?

If the bombing helps the Muslim Brotherhood it only accomplishes placing Sharia law in another country and getting the Christians there killed.

Do we really want to replace Assad with something worse like we got in Egypt?

The bombing might really start a hot war, is that an accomplishment?
Russia might intervene is that an accomplishment? Are the unknowns really worth the risk to save Obama’s face, when the rest of the world is already laughing at this fool?


8 posted on 09/04/2013 4:48:16 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: A Cyrenian

Obama has been a failure ever since he was elected, especially in the foreign policy area.

Yet he still shepherds the flock of the faithful and is never held accountable for anything that goes wrong. This won’t be any different.


9 posted on 09/04/2013 4:51:02 AM PDT by randita
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To: A Cyrenian
are these insane idiots going to push forward and attack Syria believing there won't be any consequences or risk of a major war ?

psychopaths are leading this country into something that is clearly not in our interests to say the least.

10 posted on 09/04/2013 4:52:16 AM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: A Cyrenian

I don’t want this un-American assman “leading” us anywhere, no less to war. He’s an incompetent CIC surrounded by islamist facilitators all the way down the line.

NO!


11 posted on 09/04/2013 4:55:17 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: A Cyrenian

There is no such thing as a “limited strike”. An authorization by Congress is the equivalent of a declaration of war. It will involve the United States in a prolonged bloody Mideast quagmire. Boehner can then weep real tears for the deaths he could have prevented. Obama, the narcissist, will blame others. Also this stupidity is also partly the result of the Joints Chief of Staff devolving into just another politically correct office staffed by toady careerists,


12 posted on 09/04/2013 5:00:04 AM PDT by allendale
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To: A Cyrenian
It doesn't matter WHAT happens; the State-Run-Media will credit the Nobel-Prize-Winning Messiah with success, brilliance, etc., etc.

There is NOTHING that he can do or say that will be criticized or condemned.....

13 posted on 09/04/2013 5:00:33 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: SampleMan

Exactly. As long as Obama feels better afterward, it will be deemed a success.


14 posted on 09/04/2013 5:01:56 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: A Cyrenian

They’re lying. They have every intent of getting troops on the ground and and once the boots are on the ground congress will continue to fund them for the next decade.


15 posted on 09/04/2013 5:05:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: A Cyrenian

“It’s a trap!” Famous quote by (appropriately) Admiral Akbar. The inevitable failure of the strike or failure to support one will be squarely blamed on the political opposition.


16 posted on 09/04/2013 5:10:12 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: A Cyrenian

it has failed before it started.

he’s basically said “what where when why” to them giving them plenty of time to prepare and move things.


17 posted on 09/04/2013 5:16:33 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: A Cyrenian

It won’t “fail”. It will do exactly as Barry wants it. It’s all to show that he wears big boy pants.


18 posted on 09/04/2013 5:19:29 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: A Cyrenian
Will ol' big ears get in front of the cameras and tell us

Of course not - one of the several great things about government jobs is NEVER having to admit you made a mistake. (Along with spending OTHER PEOPLES' hard earned money and Never having to face any consequences for your actions no matter how idiotic).

Whenever some idiotic idea that comes out of government fails (as most of them do) what so you hear the politicians and bureaucrats say? You never hear, "We did the wrong thing." No, what you hear is, "We didn't go far enough." If doing X amount of something makes things worse then somehow doing 10 times X will magically reverse the effect instead of making things ten times worse. It defies logic. I can't determine if the morons that our ignorant stupid electorate elects to represent them really believe this or that they're cynically posturing for the true believers who constitute their base.

19 posted on 09/04/2013 5:24:26 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: A Cyrenian
I guarantee you a limited strike would be a failure. That it would not accomplish what obama claims to want to do. It might put a crimp in operations over there for a while, but a strike would anger Russia and China. They would soon make good any of Assad's losses.

Anyone remember Vietnam? The limited, micromanaged bombing camaign? Remember how well gradual increases worked? How stopping and starting on a whim only gave them chances to rebuild defenses? There is only one good way to run a war, and a nearly infinite number of ways to screw it up. obama seems determined to screw up.

20 posted on 09/04/2013 5:24:38 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: caver

As a counter to the “big boy pants” image, keep on posting him in his mom jeans.


21 posted on 09/04/2013 5:27:17 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Mouton

What Objective?


22 posted on 09/04/2013 5:29:16 AM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: A Cyrenian

A symbolic strike such as the one contemplated is a failure by definition.


23 posted on 09/04/2013 5:29:29 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Henceforth, the Office of the President shall be known as IMPOTUS)
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To: Venturer

What could go wrong? Let’s see:

1. Russia and Iran are allied w Syria. Odds are we will have a shooting war and a naval battle group is blown out of the water. US Naval Admirals do not like placing capital ships in that bath tub. Between Syria and Russia, they have over 500 anti-missiles.

2. No one in Syria likes us. We have no bases in the ME.

3. Syria will attack Israel. According to Janes, Israel has over 200 nukes. The IDF is known for its tenacity. Attack Israel with WMDs and Damacas, Cairo, Beruit, Bagdad, Tehran, Mecca, Riyadh, Istanbul, and Tripoli become glass parking lots.


24 posted on 09/04/2013 5:31:15 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: A Cyrenian

We’re protesting the hell out of it, yet the boy king is hellbent on poking that hornet’s nest.

Fine.. let him and his party absorb the facial stings. There will be many.


25 posted on 09/04/2013 5:36:37 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: MaxMax

Get in and get out, that should be their objective as promulgated by the nitwit in chief.

I am not supporting this war or whatever it is called, I am simply saying if they go along with the nutcase, they own it and should bear and consequences, like Hari Kari used to be in Japan for failure.


26 posted on 09/04/2013 5:38:01 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: A Cyrenian

It will be Bush’s fault.


27 posted on 09/04/2013 5:38:26 AM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: A Cyrenian

What is the objective? obama, we need at least one clear military objective to any operations. You give the men and women who do this for a living a clear objective and I guarantee you they will come through for the US. Wether or not the operation achieves your political goals, that’s on you. Without a clear objective, this is just obama the petulant throwing a snit on the world stage. A snit that is going to cost lives and risk others.


28 posted on 09/04/2013 5:43:06 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: cableguymn

I agree. The longer they wait, the more time it gives Assad to hide his important assets. He probably is going to move everything to the Russia naval base knowing full well we will not strike anywhere near there. Also, why not just fly all his jets to Iran and park them there for a few days.

This is all about saving face and ACT like we did something.
I am sure this is what we are telling Russia behind the scenes.

When it is all done. Obama will go back to playing golf.


29 posted on 09/04/2013 5:56:03 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: DownInFlames

The biggest question of all.

What do we gain from it, except to save face for the Kenyan idiot in the White House and to help his buddies in the Muslim Brotherhood?


30 posted on 09/04/2013 5:56:17 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: A Cyrenian
Yesterday, Kerry said there 'might' be a need for boots on the ground if Syria implodes.

Unintended consequences and unexpected results.

As many a General has said:

31 posted on 09/04/2013 5:56:39 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: A Cyrenian

The man is a coward. Everyone knows it.

What will happen you ask? You tell me. Let’s do role play. You be Obama, I’ll be Putin.

You (Obama) attacks Syria with missiles that takes out all six airports.

I have ordered in advance my anti missile batteries to counter and have trained Assad’s forces to hit US ships in the Med. Assad does just that, and hits one of our destroyers. The ship is burning. 300 sailors dead.

What do you do, Obama? You order a counter attack against anti missile batteries in Syria? OK...but Putin alleges that you hit a convey of Russian troops there.

I (Putin) counter with an attack on another of your war ships, and I demand that you withdraw from the area.

What do you do, Obama? THat’s right you run...or else it’s WWIII.


32 posted on 09/04/2013 6:02:48 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: A Cyrenian

Without anyone in the press asking what the specific objectives are of the strike, then he doesnt have to worry about “failing” Because without goals you can never fail. Vagueness is a powerful weapon.


33 posted on 09/04/2013 6:10:02 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Mouton
In and out is not an objective. Obama has no Objective accept to act like a
community organizer and punish somebody. This will escalate and Obama will be
called out by China and Russia. Drawing that red line came from Obama's
very own purple lipsticked pie hole and now they need a scapegoat, Congress.
34 posted on 09/04/2013 6:16:56 AM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: A Cyrenian

Pearl Harbor was a “Limited Strike”.

How did that work out for Japan?


35 posted on 09/04/2013 6:19:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek
once the boots are on the ground congress will continue to fund them for the next decade.

According to Liberal Logic (tm), military actions are not permissable without appropriately-funded money. (This is how Bush allegedly spent trillions in the Middle East.) Therefore, Obama should be calling for more taxes to fund his Syrian operation.

36 posted on 09/04/2013 6:22:18 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: A Cyrenian

Not to worry, the MSM will hail it at the most spectacular and resounding foreign policy act of the century for their god..............


37 posted on 09/04/2013 6:23:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: MaxMax

In and out is not an objective.

I know that, unfortunately that is the asshat’s objective. Kind of like calling for a block rally. Show up, toss some bottles, make a speech and leave the garbage in the street for someone else to clean up. That is what happens when a country elects a gutter snipe for high office. We are stuck with him, no one is going to remove him for three more years, hopefully he goes. Meanwhile, rather than oppose his proclamations, the jerks go along with them figuring they can bide time to the next election. Treading water is not an option here.


38 posted on 09/04/2013 6:26:05 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: babble-on

Well...what if Syria launches some of the anti ship missles and hits one or more ship.
Or they shoot down a Flyer.
or they launch on Israel.
This area is Gods monkey house.


39 posted on 09/04/2013 6:34:08 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: A Cyrenian
If Obama gets approval for his limited strike and it doesn't accomplish what they think it will. What happens then?

The stated purpose is to keep Assad from gassing his people again. But if the U.S. launches a limited strike then how can that do anything but force Assad to gas more people just to show he isn't cowed by the U.S.? I just don't see any way that the kind of half-assed missile attach is going to accomplish anything or prevent any future attacks.

40 posted on 09/04/2013 6:38:59 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: A Cyrenian

Hypothetical scenario:

Obama lobs a few missiles, goes on TV, crows about it, declares victory and gets out.

Almost as if to flip him the bird, Assad (or rebels wanting him to be blamed for this) go and gas another town.

THEN what happens???


41 posted on 09/04/2013 6:44:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: A Cyrenian

It’s not “if”, it’s “when”


42 posted on 09/04/2013 7:54:02 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Mouton

Super majority House and Senate 2014, Without Boehner.


43 posted on 09/04/2013 10:20:02 AM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: All

What if a limited strike fails? I asked myself that same question the second he mentioned that strategy. As if they will just sit back and take their punishment.

I’m assuming when the inevitable retaliation comes, oBOMBa will:
a) Call them racists
b) Blame Bush

Wish he had the same drive to punish violent people in Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, and George Zimmerman’s neighborhood as he does violent people in countries on the other side of the planet.


44 posted on 09/04/2013 12:52:18 PM PDT by Bucky Larson
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To: Morpheus2009

what is it?


45 posted on 09/04/2013 4:53:19 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: A Cyrenian

It is supposed to fail. They’ve already said that.

It’s postmodern war. There are no objectives.


46 posted on 09/04/2013 4:54:25 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. N)
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To: Jim Noble

There certainly are objectives, just not ones that Obama wants to talk about. The objective is regime change.


47 posted on 09/04/2013 4:55:48 PM PDT by Eva
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To: ThunderSleeps
Anyone remember VietNam?

Obama's the first president not old enough to remember VietNam.

48 posted on 09/04/2013 5:00:35 PM PDT by grania
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To: Venturer

The air strike is only a part of the what Obama wants. Obama wants to arm the Syrian rebel army, which is led by a former VP of the Muslim Brotherhood from Texas. The MB is the grand-daddy of all terrorist groups, including Al Qaeda and Hamas.


49 posted on 09/04/2013 5:01:02 PM PDT by Eva
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