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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 36 SEPTEMBER 6, 2013
Free Republic | 9/6/2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 09/06/2013 11:58:59 AM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Greetings from Missouri-It is hot and humid. I have a bunch of peppers that need picking when the heat dies down tonight or tomorrow morning.

I have some beautiful tomatoes that are green, but will be big slicers Lord willing and the critters don't munch. Getting ready to pull out almost everything else, and add some compost and soil nutrients etc to prepare for winter planting.

It seems that the growing season has really flown by this year. It's hard to believe it is almost fall. The persimmons are almost ripe. Hubby had a minimal grape harvest, but he did get a gallon of juice.

Hope you all are doing well. Have a great weekend, and God Bless.

1 posted on 09/06/2013 11:58:59 AM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List.


2 posted on 09/06/2013 12:00:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

1st in!!!


3 posted on 09/06/2013 12:08:30 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: greeneyes

I wish my maters had done better this growing season. We had soooo much rain the soil never dried out. The hot peppers didn’t like it either. But I have gotten a few peppers here recently. My tomato plants are dead now so no hope for those. With all the rain I wonder what winter will bring!!


4 posted on 09/06/2013 12:10:55 PM PDT by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: greeneyes

I will be getting my garden plot ready for the fall garden this coming week. We need rain in Texas. Our lake is at 33% capacity and is expected to go lower. We are on water rationing for the foreseeable future. Really stinks to be in such a drought.


5 posted on 09/06/2013 12:14:23 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes

from CT: My turnip greens seeded themselves and gave me another crop! Even in the walkways of the garden! Lots of Tomatoes - mostly green, hope they turn red before the frost. Butternut popping up everywhere. okra just starting. thought I had no flat beans but got a lot the other day. my cup runneth over.


6 posted on 09/06/2013 12:16:06 PM PDT by sorrisi (CAP spending and TRADE Congress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: greeneyes

The Fuji’s looks good this year, Asian pears have been bountiful, the dwarf fruuit trees have delivered,, juicy crispy yummy, squirrels not pleased , the netting made a big difference.

I may have to grow some veggies next year, and knock back a lemon tree, it,s getting too tall to pick from easily.

Enjoy your harvests.


7 posted on 09/06/2013 12:23:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: greeneyes

Our new Excaliber 3500 should be delivered Monday; got it at Amazon, and for some reason known only to them, white was $20 less than black. I’ll break it in with sunflower seeds, to get the moisture content down enough to store without destroying viability; ditto corn I want to save for seed. Plan to also put some cilatro in it, as well as catnip. Might have to do apples somewhere in between. Between the Amazon discounts; free shipping, and a $50 gift card from redeeming CC ‘reward points’, it only cost $130 out of pocket: The Frugal Freeper strikes again!

We’ve be “squashing” everyone in sight, including a powerline crew doing maintenance on the right-of-way. We’ve also gotten our first winter squash. early this week.

Jacob’s Cattle beans are finished; Great Northerns & White Greasy cutshorts are about half way or so done. Still getting green Espada bush beans; I’ll plant them again, even though they’re a hybid. The brown cowpea-type limas are loaded with immature pods; those seeds are savable, too..

I learned for next year: plant JCB as bush beans, since they don’t climb; and GN as pole beans, as they DO climb. I was certain JCB were clibmers, so planted nearly 40 left overs that didn’t fit their area next to a row of the Russin sunflowers, so they could climb the stalks: MISTAKE; as bush beans, they got too much shade and didn’t produce at all. I should have put them away for next year.

Still getting cukes; and I can’t believe the potatoes still aren’t anywhere near ready to dig. Okra was a bust, as it was too cool & wet for it early & mid summer.

Sometime this coming week I need to get the tilling done for the winter rye & wheat planting due the following week.

Carrots have had a banner year, and our first ever attempt at leeks has been a success, after a rocky start.


8 posted on 09/06/2013 12:24:47 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: tubebender

1st in..

And 1st out.

Don’t forget to change your drivers.

I know of tractors that can plow faster than some of my picks of late


9 posted on 09/06/2013 12:25:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: greeneyes

A question or two about figs: this is the first year our tree is really bearing. If I leave them on the tree to ripen, the ants and the hornets get to them (and I’ve brushed off the insects and bit the other side of the fig - superb.) If I bring them inside before the bugs get them, they don’t ripen nearly as well, and some of them ferment and the fruit flies get them.

So what do you fig growers do?

In previous years we always had lots of hard green figs about now and I thought NJ summers just weren’t warm enough or long enough to ripen them. But this has been the wettest summer in fifteen years or so; the grass in the field is six feet high. So in future summers I will water the fig tree well if we don’t have as much rain, and see how that works out.


10 posted on 09/06/2013 12:27:44 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: greeneyes

This season really has gone quickly, hasn’t it?


11 posted on 09/06/2013 12:28:19 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: tubebender

LOL. Still pretty spry with the fingers on the keyboard.


12 posted on 09/06/2013 12:31:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Lost about half of my fall tomatoes because of the heat/water issues. The others are doing fine. Still waiting on peanuts to get ready for harvest. Everything else is pulled or needs to be pulled and composted. The 22nd is the Autumnal Equinox, and I'll start getting serious about the fall garden then.

/johnny

13 posted on 09/06/2013 12:31:51 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 4everontheRight

One thing about the weather is it can always suprise you just when you think you have it all figured out. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.LOL


14 posted on 09/06/2013 12:32:50 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I really empathise with you all. I remember last summer here, and you all have really had years of it.


15 posted on 09/06/2013 12:33:59 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: heartwood

I have a friend who has a very prolific fig tree and she dehydrates them when they ripen on the tree.


16 posted on 09/06/2013 12:35:03 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: sorrisi

I didn’t know Turnip greens would do that. I might have to develop a taste for them.LOL

Count your blessings and preserve the harvest!


17 posted on 09/06/2013 12:35:30 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Wow! Frugality pays!


18 posted on 09/06/2013 12:36:02 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: NormsRevenge

We have had no return on our dwarf orchard so far. This year should have had peaches, but they are dying. Next year we hope to have some apples.


19 posted on 09/06/2013 12:36:59 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I am putting leeks on my wish list for next year. Still waiting for my garlic shipment for fall planting. I won’t have to worry about planting winter wheat till October 15 thank goodness. September is shaping up to be a whirlwind of everything except gardening.


20 posted on 09/06/2013 12:41:11 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: heartwood; Red_Devil 232

Red Devil may be able to answer your question about figs. I myself have zero, zip, nada experience with figs.


21 posted on 09/06/2013 12:43:10 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Silentgypsy

Yes darn it. The older I get the faster go the years.


22 posted on 09/06/2013 12:44:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

We’re planning for next year’s garden even though this year’s is still producing. We can’t keep up with the bushels of various peppers producing this summer and have had to buy tomatoes at the farmer’s market. Next year, more traditional tomatoes and fewer odd ball peppers.


23 posted on 09/06/2013 12:45:03 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sorry to hear about your tomatoes. At least you have some others coming on. Hope you get enough to last through till spring harvest.


24 posted on 09/06/2013 12:45:45 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Each year we learn new lessons, and get to fine tune our efforts.


25 posted on 09/06/2013 12:47:43 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; All

I want information on peppers - all kinds of peppers. Which sweet and which kinda hot and which hot do you guys plant? I don’t know where to start with peppers. Johnny grows two hot ones and that’s it. I would bet his hot ones will curl your toes. I don’t want one so hot you can’t breathe after you get a taste of it.

I am serious about this since I have absolutely no pepper seed of any kind.


26 posted on 09/06/2013 12:50:56 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: 4everontheRight; Arrowhead1952

You could have sent some rain to TX. As Arrowhead said, the lakes are the lowest they’ve been since the 1950s. We’re at about the 50 day mark of 100+ degree but it’s suppose to ease into the 90s this weekend. Blah, I missed watering the last two days and just came in from watering as every leaf had wilted. The basil has kicked the bucket and something ate the beans I’d planted in the herb bed. I really need to buy more chicken wire.

After the neighbor cut down his bush/tree along side a couple tomatoes and okra, those have gone into shock from no shade. I’m still only getting a handful of cherry tomatoes a week despite having over a dozen plants. It’s the heat. They just won’t produce in this weather. Maybe when it gets cooler. Last year, I didn’t have any until right before the Nov. freeze.

Something got most of the cukes. Looks like there’s one plant left and it has one on it so I’m watching it closely.

Arrow, have you had flies? It has been Amityville around here for a couple months inside and outside. Open the door and they swarm in. Go outside and I’m constantly swatting at them. I’ve never seen them here like this for so many weeks. I have fly swats in every room and beside the computer. Hubby hung fly strips on the porch back in July and I’m to the point of letting him put them in the house, ick. BTW, do NOT buy fly swats from HEB (made in China) because they break into a dozen pieces at the first swat.


27 posted on 09/06/2013 12:52:28 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: greeneyes

I may get the tiller out this evening and work up a spot to plant the fall greens. Should have a bunch of peppers ready to pick. And maybe some okra. I could do with a nice mess of fried okra with my supper tonight...


28 posted on 09/06/2013 12:56:46 PM PDT by Augie
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To: Marcella

Hubby doesn’t like hot peppers either. Jalepeno is about as hot as I like. Hubby grows the Californa Wonder sweet bell.

I grew Patio Red Marconi, Ozark Giant, and Fooled you Jalepeno this year. They all are doing well. The Fooled you has the jalepeno flavor with reduced heat.


29 posted on 09/06/2013 1:01:41 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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Planted the bush beans in 5 gallon grow bags with bags mostly full. If I have a plant that doesn’t require a lot of depth for the roots, I don’t have to fill the 5 gallon bags full of potting soil. I can put as much as I want in there. That’s why I didn’t buy 1 or 2 or 3 gallon size. Those would limit me but the 5 gal. gives me options to use as much soil as I need. The sides of the bags can be turned down so you don’t have a lot of extra pot from the plant to the top of pot.

Transplanted the three blooming flower plants supposed to attract butterflies and hummingbirds, Lantana, Hummingbird Bush, Gold Black Eyed Susan, into larger pots and I hope they don’t die from cutting the roots and trying to spread them out like the lady at Lowes said to do. It was almost impossible to cut the roots as they were solid around the soil they were in. If I were one of those plants after someone mutilated my roots and tried to spread them out, I would die. At any rate, they are now sitting in pots on the ground dirt in the garden and well watered. If I ever see a butterfly or hummingbird come to one of those plants, it would make my day.

Now, regular onion plants have sprouted under the grow lamp. One of the regular squash seeds has sprouted but I’m going to dump those two paper cups so no regular squash will be on the deck. Just want the “T” Italian squash out there to see if moths/borers stay away from it. Have another one of the “T”s about three inches tall to transplant.

So, every paper cup with seeds has sprouted under the grow lamp in the house. There is no way I could have gotten that to happen outside.

I got three packages/boxes delivered by post office yesterday. One was a little over two feet long and I thought that one might be the battery operated sewing machine. There wasn’t a label that said this side up, so I cut open the box and soil started falling out – it was the 25 Chandler strawberry plants from Garden Harvest Supply Inc. I had opened them upside down. Darn, had I just destroyed the strawberry plants? I rushed the box outside, turned it over, and opened the box again. There were the 25 plants in excellent condition in little connected plastic pots and it was so wet in the box, two sheets of paper in there were water logged. I read the instructions and it said to immediately pour water over the plants. Even though they were wet, I did pour water over all of them. I covered them with row cover so squirrels or birds couldn’t get to them over night or early this morning. I have removed that cover now so they will get sun today. Have to commend Garden Harvest for the excellent condition of the plants.

A small, heavy box had the battery sewing machine in it. Another even heavier box had the granite mortar and pestle in it. That is unbelievably heavy and it’s the 1 1/2 cup.

I had sent an email to BIMBO about the shelf life of their already made toast. I know it’s at least three months since what I bought a few days ago had Dec. 11 for the good until date. I had to put my phone number on there or the email wouldn’t go from their website. Yesterday, a lady at their company at New York City called me. In the end, she was going to contact someone to get more information about the shelf life for sure from the time it is made. We had a nice conservation and I asked her where these were sold. They are sold across the country in stores that have items for Spanish people. The Spanish have used this toast for a very long time. So, any store that has a large number of Spanish customers, likely has this toast. Walmart has it, and in this area (Houston) certainly the large Fiesta stores have it. There is a Spanish type grocery not far from me and I would bet they have it. HEB might have it but I haven’t checked. She told me in her area of New York City, a grocery store, “Fine Fare” has it.

In my opinion, this toast makes a great emergency food – good for at least three months and it’s good for me all the time since bread goes bad here in our humidity pretty soon, like maybe five/six days. There is Regular in a blue/white package and the ones I got this time, are Double Fiber and the package is green/white. The Regular tends to break too easily. The Double Fiber is a much stronger toast and won’t break when you put peanut butter or jam or whatever on it and naturally double fiber is better for you. I will only buy the Double Fiber from now on. Well, I say that, but if you want to put a cooked egg on it, the regular would be better for that as the double fiber is a strong toast, not easily broken up.

Now, let’s say the same of the toast correctly. We are saying BIMBO – the correct pronunciation is “BEEMBO”. Consider the “i” a double “e”. The lady really did tell me this so I would say it right. I don’t know if the lady will actually call me again about the exact shelf life.


30 posted on 09/06/2013 1:05:38 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Augie

I gotta finish digging potatoes, pick a punch of peppers, and do some dishes before I do anything else when the heat dies down. I sure wish I had little elves that would keep the dishes done. The dishwasher died, and I hate to think of replacing it.


31 posted on 09/06/2013 1:06:24 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

LOL that’s the Spanish pronunciation. I kinda like good ole American Bimbo myself. I have to ask Hubby for the translation into English.

I am going to check at our Walmart to see if they have the double fiber kind, if I can remember it the next time I go to Walmart.


32 posted on 09/06/2013 1:12:43 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella
Bimbo is the big name in the industry. Bimbo USA is the US division of Mexico's Grupo Bimbo. They have a lot of products for the hispanic market.

/johnny

33 posted on 09/06/2013 1:14:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Thanks for the pepper names, I’ll look them up. Especially like that Fooled You Jalapeno.


34 posted on 09/06/2013 1:15:40 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: greeneyes
If my dishwasher dies, my daughter will be posting my obit on FR. ;)

/johnny

35 posted on 09/06/2013 1:16:04 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I like the name.LOL


36 posted on 09/06/2013 1:16:16 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

You are welcome.


37 posted on 09/06/2013 1:16:53 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

My dishwasher broke about 15 years ago. I miss it, sniffle.


38 posted on 09/06/2013 1:28:04 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Johnny -- Bimbo is also the biggest baked-goods combine, by sales, in the Western Hemisphere. Except for the very tiniest of pueblos south of the Rio Grande, it is virtually impossible to go into a supermercado, tienda de comida or mini-super (yep, that's the usual Latin American term for a quick shop...although some are quite sizeable and sell ALL kinds of stuff aside from food).
39 posted on 09/06/2013 1:29:15 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Marcella

You are welcome.


40 posted on 09/06/2013 1:31:56 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL. I am trying hard to pretend it is needed practice for an EMP attack.LOL


41 posted on 09/06/2013 1:32:31 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: SAJ; JRandomFreeper
"...to go into...and NOT find Bimbo products".

Sorry for the omission, guy.

42 posted on 09/06/2013 1:32:40 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ
I knew it was big. One of the guys I graduated culinary school with was going to work for them. He spoke fluent spanish.

/johnny

43 posted on 09/06/2013 1:41:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bgill

Yeh, mine’s been broken too for quite a while. It’s not too bad until I get crazy busy. Then I feel like more that just a sniffle.LOL


44 posted on 09/06/2013 2:01:55 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I had never heard of Bimbo till we moved to Texas and I saw a Bimbo breads truck and trailer. I thought it was a joke at first. Turns out they own Mrs. Bairds, which I had also never heard of before coming here, but I had seen it in HEB. Bimbo also owns Sarah Lee and Earth Grains, which was the good stuff where we came from.


45 posted on 09/06/2013 2:43:25 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: heartwood

I check fig trees every morning and pick the ripe figs everyday, early morning. While I am doing the picking I am checking (squeeze test) the figs that may be ready for picking the next day. Figs will not ripen after being picked so I check by giving each fig a light squeeze if it gives a little I pick it. I don’t go by color for checking ripeness just the slight softness during the squeeze test. But color can be an indicator of which fig to test.

To me ants on a fig mean test it and pick it if it is ready! So far I have not had problems with hornets or birds.

You can store your figs in the fridge for about 2-3 days before using them. Or you can freeze them. The frozen ones are good for jam making as they get soft after defrosting.


46 posted on 09/06/2013 3:05:37 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: rightly_dividing

Bimbo also owns Sarah Lee and Earth Grains, which was the good stuff where we came from.


You can also add, among others:
Entenmann’s (Goodies)
Oroweat
Roman Meal bread
Sun-Maid bread
Thomas’ (English muffins)
Boboli (pasta crusts)

We had an Oroweat “used bread store” (”day-old” outlet store) near us in Oregon that had nearly all the Bimbo brands represented in it that weren’t strictly regional. My parents lived in Mexico for several years, so Bimbo was a familiar name to me.


47 posted on 09/06/2013 3:18:20 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: bgill; 4everontheRight
You could have sent some rain to TX.

No kidding. It is very dry here. Lake Travis fell another 1.5 inches today. That is a lot of water for a 62 mile long lake.

48 posted on 09/06/2013 4:04:22 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

It’s scary thinking if we were still sending water to the rice farmers. Thank goodness they stopped that a few months ago. As of this morning:

Buchanan Dam is at 35.02% full.

Mansfield Dam is at 31.56% full.


49 posted on 09/06/2013 4:33:13 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

The list is so long I didnt post it. We had a Sarah Lee/ Earth Grains store by us in the old town. Used bread for 3 or 4 for a dollar and fresh for 89cts. Hated leaving that behind when we moved. That store has since closed, couldn’t survive without us, I guess. :)


50 posted on 09/06/2013 5:17:48 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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