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GOP warns Americans of health care ‘sticker shock’
Associated Press ^ | Sep 7, 2013 7:39 AM EDT

Posted on 09/07/2013 7:22:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Republicans are using their weekly radio and Internet address to focus on health insurance costs under President Barack Obama’s health overhaul.

GOP Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming, who was an orthopedic surgeon before coming to Congress, says many families “are going to have real sticker shock when they see their new insurance rates.” …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; johnbarrasso; nothealthcare; obamacare; romneyagenda; romneycare; zerocare

1 posted on 09/07/2013 7:22:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Good start—but we need lots more congress critters agreeing with him, especially republicans.


2 posted on 09/07/2013 7:29:27 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Olog-hai
I'm already suffering from a 100% increase in healthcare insurance from the last year and have been warned that it may increase another 160% to pay for the little affirmative action recipients. I'm not too happy with my personal income and disposable income being raped at this time of my life.
3 posted on 09/07/2013 7:32:52 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Olog-hai
I tried to find out what the current rates are in several states, for purposes of future comparison, and guess what, the Insurance Commissions couldn't tell me. Kaiser Foundation has no info. Kaiser Foundation is an advocacy group for socialized medicine, for a long time, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. From National Review, Avik Roy:

Liberal reporters and bloggers are trumpeting today a report from the Kaiser Family Foundation which claims that premiums under Obamacare will be “lower than expected.” Talking Points Memo describes the Kaiser paper as, potentially, a “big blow to one of the main conservative talking points against the Affordable Care Act: rate shock.”

But when you thumb through the Kaiser report, you learn something interesting. Its authors did not actually measure whether or not Obamacare would increase premiums relative to what they are today, because they claim it would be too “complicated.”

So if the Kaiser authors didn’t compare Obamacare rates to pre-Obamacare rates, how do they arrive at their conclusion that premium increases will be “lower than expected?” By comparing rates in 2014, under Obamacare, to rates “implied” by a Congressional Budget Office projection about premiums in 2016.

...what matters to the Kaiser authors is not whether rates will go up relative to what they were before Obamacare. What matters is whether rates will go up by even more than the CBO predicts. Their thinking can be summarized this way: If a car today costs $10,000, and the CBO predicts the same car will cost $15,000 next year, next year’s price is “lower than expected” if the price only goes up by 40 percent, instead of the predicted 50 percent.

Needless to say, this is not how average Americans are going to think about rate shock. ...

4 posted on 09/07/2013 7:36:23 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

Actually the liberal Obama lovers DO accept this explanation. I saw a kid on Hannity spitting out the same double-speak when explaining that rates will not go up as much as people think. He first tried the “rates will go down” spiel but Hannity told him that’s true only if four states.

We have to understand that those who love Obama ... love Obama ... because he’s Obama. None of the rest matters.


5 posted on 09/07/2013 7:41:43 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: La Lydia
Funny how you busted Kaiser Foundations claims of cheaper premiums...that they can't seem to back up.

Propaganda....pablum for the liberal masses. They don't even take the time to see what they're being fed...by the govt.

6 posted on 09/07/2013 7:48:05 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hmmm, the GOPe warning Americans of ObamaCare sticker shock, yet they won’t defund it.

The GOPe/RINOs are all full of Sh*t!


7 posted on 09/07/2013 8:03:08 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: Jane Long

The propaganda only works until the masses get the actual bill. Then the result might be the same as in Australia after the carbon tax: “Throw the Bums Out!”

At least, I hope (and pray) it works out that way.


8 posted on 09/07/2013 8:14:39 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Olog-hai

The Republicans screwed up by not tackling health insurance reform before the Democrats did. Keeping kids on parent’s insurance policies until their mid-20s is a very popular option with both Republican and Democratic parents. Requiring health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions and to remove coverage caps are also popular ideas.

I’m 60 and retired. My husband is still working, at age 59, for a major U.S. corporation. Right now we pay $281/month for a high deductible plan. I’m trying to get my husband to retire next year. The company allows him to continue his health insurance until age 65 at COBRA prices. That would be $1,680/month for that high deductible plan. Minnesota just announced their MNSure (Obamacare) rates for 2014. For a silver plan, we would pay $654/month. Our retirement income would be too high to qualify for any government subsidy. Pardon me if I’m not jumping on the wagon to defund Obamacare.

Personally, I think Republicans are fighting a losing battle to defund Obamacare. If they were smart, they would come up with amendments to the law which not only Republicans could agree to but that they could also sell conservative Democrats on. Modifying the law is a more viable option than defunding it.


9 posted on 09/07/2013 9:25:03 AM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

You are the worst kind of person.

You don’t deserve any of my income to pay for your healthcare, and I don’t deserve any of yours.

Just because it is good for you doesn’t mean it is good policy, ethical, or even a legal function of our Government.

How much of my income do you deserve?
Why don’t you pay for your own healthcare?


10 posted on 09/07/2013 9:44:19 AM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org -- http://defcad.org/)
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To: King_Corey

I’m a firm believer in insurance - car insurance, health insurance, home insurance, etc. My very conservative parents brought me up to be responsible, which means buying insurance.

I’m sure I’ve paid much more in car insurance, health insurance, and home insurance than I’ve ever received from them in return. But I knew that was a possibility when I bought them in the first place. Yes, I’m paying for other folks’ health care right now. I’m paying for other folks’ damaged cars and hail damage to their homes. That’s fine. That’s the nature of insurance. In fact, if, over my whole life, I pay more in insurance than I get in return, I’m fine with that.

I will continue to buy insurance and I encourage every responsible individual to do likewise. Right now uninsured individuals are a drain on the hospitals and on the U.S. government. Who ends up paying for them? That’s you and me.

So phooey to you! I pay for my health and I do it in a responsible way. You haven’t paid a penny for any of my medical care. Moreover, as I stated, our income in retirement is too high to get any health insurance subsidies. So we’re paying plenty in taxes and we’re paying for other folks’ health insurance subsidies. I’m fine with that. Everyone need to have health insurance!


11 posted on 09/07/2013 10:22:31 AM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: Olog-hai

IBM is pulling healthcare insurance from 100,000 retired employees and will put them in the ACA pool because of cost.
Wonder haw many of them voted for O.


12 posted on 09/07/2013 10:38:48 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: ConstantSkeptic

Why does everyone need to have health insurance?


13 posted on 09/07/2013 12:38:02 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Fantasy Short Story Collection is out!)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

Please die soon so I can stop paying the freight for you deadbeats.


14 posted on 09/07/2013 12:45:49 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

You are a logic idiot.

CAR INSURANCE
Does your car insurance pay for gas, oil changes, new tires, brakes, car washes? NO, it doesn’t it is for YOUR liability to pay back any money you owe on the car or to protect you from a large bill when you cause an accident. Not at all like Health Insurance.

HEALTH INSURANCE
Obamacare pays for a zillion little things, disregards you being FAT, SMOKING, An IDIOT, etc. So no matter how poorly you treat your body or how healthy you act you are covered. Not at all like CAR INSURANCE

If the Government were not involved you wouldn’t need health insurance, you could buy whatever service you wished, whenever you wanted it, and the price would be set by the market. (Shocker but free markets really work!)

People buy the services they need in an open and free market. Much like car repairs, or new tires, you could buy a doctor checkup or a flu shot.

And yes people do pay for your healthcare. If you are so “Wealthy” you should know a little about MATH. And if you can afford to retire at 60 you can afford to pay your own way without insurance, or Obamacare.

So double dutch phooey back at you!


15 posted on 09/07/2013 1:05:00 PM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org -- http://defcad.org/)
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To: King_Corey

Thank you.


16 posted on 09/07/2013 6:05:46 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: Olog-hai

As I learn more about how this is supposed to work, the reason for the massive increase in premiums is clear - it’s an income transfer scheme.

Yes, there are huge premiums. But members of the recipient class are going to be getting checks January 1, 2014 to pay them (of course, they will spend the money and pay the fine, if anyone cares to track them down).

But the hated producers? Full price for you kemosabe, plus higher taxes to send out the Obamacare checks.


17 posted on 09/07/2013 6:10:21 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. N)
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To: Jim Noble

Dead on! Socialism. Plain and simple. Expect more bad from Washington D.C., they love to spend your money. They see it as THEIR money.


18 posted on 09/07/2013 6:29:12 PM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org -- http://defcad.org/)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Because sh!t happens.


19 posted on 09/07/2013 7:41:07 PM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: King_Corey

Except that I can forgo buying a car. Without a car, I won’t need car insurance. Try getting along without a body.

If the Government were not involved you wouldn’t need health insurance? Seriously? Until Obamacare, there was no requirement to buy health insurance. So where was the free market before then? Why wasn’t everyone skipping their employers’ health plans and just paying for what they needed? And how about the uninsured folks? They should have been paying the least of all. Except, surprise surprise, because they weren’t covered by insurance they were getting charged the higher, non-negotiated rates. My, that worked well, didn’t it?

Well, don’t buy insurance. Don’t get it through your employer and don’t buy it from a health insurance company. I don’t care. It’s only your health and your finances which get hurt. Until you’re broke and end up on medicaid and, gee, I’m paying for you after all.

By the way, be careful who you get your advice from. A lot of the pundits, both liberal and conservative, have no skin in the game. They’re either rich enough to not worry about health costs or they’re covered by health insurance plans from their employers.


20 posted on 09/07/2013 8:02:07 PM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

What else should the government force us to buy because you feel it is needed?


21 posted on 09/07/2013 8:32:11 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Fantasy Short Story Collection is out!)
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To: Olog-hai

Thanks for the heads-up. Now DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT and DEFUND IT!


22 posted on 09/07/2013 8:34:04 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Jane Long
Propaganda....pablum for the liberal masses. They don't even take the time to see what they're being fed...by the govt.

Progressivism is a religion, more dogmatic than any religion. Yet they're freethinkers.

23 posted on 09/07/2013 8:36:51 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

What else should the government force us to buy because you feel it is needed?

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Huh? I’ve never advocated that the government force us to buy anything. Oh... I see. You think the government should force us to buy something and you’re asking me for recommendations! Sorry. Not my thing.


24 posted on 09/07/2013 10:49:14 PM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

Do you deny that Obamacare forces people to buy health insurance?


25 posted on 09/08/2013 5:57:35 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Fantasy Short Story Collection is out!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Do you deny that Obamacare forces people to buy health insurance?

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Of course people are not forced to buy health insurance.

Folks may either buy health insurance or they may pay a fine. If they’re ok with paying the fine, then no, they don’t have to buy health insurance. A lot of people will be making that decision.

I just find it so funny that before all this Obamacare stuff arose, any responsible conservative would have advised folks to buy health insurance. Now that Obamacare has passed, all of a sudden health insurance is a great evil. Sorry. I’ve always owned health insurance and I always will. If Obamacare were repealed tomorrow, I would still buy health insurance and I would still recommend it to folks wanting to be responsible adults.

So, your choice. Buy insurance or pay a small fine. Again, I don’t care what you do. I choose to be responsible for my own health and wealth like my conservative parents raised me to be.


26 posted on 09/08/2013 6:32:38 AM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

That answer is bullcrap and you know it.

The fine is the “force” used to make people buy insurance. It’s like saying that no one forces you to pay taxes: you can either pay taxes or go to jail, the choice is up to you.

You are an unpersuasive shill of the administration forcing people to make choices just because you feel it is needed.


27 posted on 09/08/2013 7:49:25 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Fantasy Short Story Collection is out!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Gee, hyperbole much?

If you don’t pay your income taxes, the government will garnish your wages, take money from your savings account, whatever. But you WILL pay your income taxes. And, depending on your actions, you very well may go to prison. That is force.

Don’t buy health insurance? The government will not take your money and pay it to an insurance company and force you to have insurance. Yes, Obamacare fines you for not having insurance. But it in no way forces health insurance on you.

No where have I said that I agree with what the administration has done. No where do I say that people should be forced to buy health insurance.

Just curious - do you have health insurance? If you have children, did you have health insurance for them when they were growing up? When you (or your wife) had your children, did you pay the bills directly, for did you have health insurance to help with the cost?


28 posted on 09/08/2013 10:23:02 AM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

You did say people should be forced to buy health insurance.

That is the whole point of Obamacare. It forces people to buy health insurance.

Health insurance isn’t bad. Health insurance is a good idea.

NOBODY is arguing about that.

It is that the government SHOULD NOT FORCE ANYONE TO BUY SOMETHING.

What if the government decided that having a water filter was needed for your house and if you didn’t buy one that met their standards they would fine you? Would you support that?

What about if the government decided that you needed to eat three servings of vegetables a day and if you didn’t they would fine you? Would you support that?

Health insurance rates are climbing through the roof because the government has said that everyone has to have it and the standards are set by the government.

You are either willfully ignorant or a shill trying to convince people that a government forcing people to buy a product is not the definition of tyranny.


29 posted on 09/08/2013 11:23:08 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Fantasy Short Story Collection is out!)
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To: Olog-hai

Liberals lost this in the 40’s under wage and price control.

Employers answer was health benefits. Libs attacking employers is a constant theme. Just watch it.

Anybody stupid enough to enslave themselves under the Fed deserves a life of nothing.


30 posted on 09/08/2013 11:32:10 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

You did say people should be forced to buy health insurance.

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Where???

The replies to this article are all within one page so you can easily go back and read everything I’ve written. I’ve said that people need health insurance. I’ve said that financially responsible people buy insurance. But I have NEVER said that anyone should be forced to buy health insurance. If you think I have stated that, please point out exactly what I said which led you to that conclusion.


31 posted on 09/08/2013 12:13:57 PM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic
"Pardon me if I’m not jumping on the wagon to defund Obamacare."

Obamacare forces people to buy health insurance.
You do not want Obamacare defunded.
Ergo, you want to force people to buy health insurance.

32 posted on 09/08/2013 1:02:57 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Fantasy Short Story Collection is out!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Congratulations!

Not only have you completely missed my point, but you've perfectly illustrated the problem Republicans are going to have trying to repeal Obamacare.

Liberals want everyone to believe that Obamacare is the panacea to the health care problems in the United States.

Conservatives, on the other hand, want everyone to believe that Obamacare is evil and must be wiped off the face of the earth.

My point was that, like many complex bills, Obamacare contains a mix of features. Unfortunately for the Republicans trying to repeal Obamacare, not every individual feature is evil. And for many citizens, whether they are liberals or conservatives, they may find features which will provide significant savings for them without any downside for them personally. I'm in that group where, personally, Obamacare seems to provide significant savings to me while not forcing me to do anything I wouldn't do anyway. So, personally, do I want the whole bill repealed? That would not be in my financial interest.

A case can be made that the individual mandate so taints the bill that that is cause in itself for the bill to be repealed. I'm being pragmatic. Right now it appears the Obamacare will save my family $10,000/year. A lot of conservative families will be performing the same math and coming to a similar result.

So no, for me the bill is not 100% evil. For many conservatives, they will also decide that Obamacare is not 100% evil. That is why I say the Conservatives will more likely be successful by trying to join with at least some Democrats to modify Obamacare than they will be in their efforts to repeal it.

And if you want to continue with your view that Obamacare is evil, evil, evil, well, go right ahead. I'm done with this discussion.

33 posted on 09/09/2013 9:40:55 AM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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