Skip to comments.GOP warns Americans of health care ‘sticker shock’
Posted on 09/07/2013 7:22:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai
Republicans are using their weekly radio and Internet address to focus on health insurance costs under President Barack Obamas health overhaul.
GOP Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming, who was an orthopedic surgeon before coming to Congress, says many families are going to have real sticker shock when they see their new insurance rates.
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Good start—but we need lots more congress critters agreeing with him, especially republicans.
Liberal reporters and bloggers are trumpeting today a report from the Kaiser Family Foundation which claims that premiums under Obamacare will be lower than expected. Talking Points Memo describes the Kaiser paper as, potentially, a big blow to one of the main conservative talking points against the Affordable Care Act: rate shock.
But when you thumb through the Kaiser report, you learn something interesting. Its authors did not actually measure whether or not Obamacare would increase premiums relative to what they are today, because they claim it would be too complicated.
So if the Kaiser authors didnt compare Obamacare rates to pre-Obamacare rates, how do they arrive at their conclusion that premium increases will be lower than expected? By comparing rates in 2014, under Obamacare, to rates implied by a Congressional Budget Office projection about premiums in 2016.
...what matters to the Kaiser authors is not whether rates will go up relative to what they were before Obamacare. What matters is whether rates will go up by even more than the CBO predicts. Their thinking can be summarized this way: If a car today costs $10,000, and the CBO predicts the same car will cost $15,000 next year, next years price is lower than expected if the price only goes up by 40 percent, instead of the predicted 50 percent.
Needless to say, this is not how average Americans are going to think about rate shock. ...
Actually the liberal Obama lovers DO accept this explanation. I saw a kid on Hannity spitting out the same double-speak when explaining that rates will not go up as much as people think. He first tried the “rates will go down” spiel but Hannity told him that’s true only if four states.
We have to understand that those who love Obama ... love Obama ... because he’s Obama. None of the rest matters.
Propaganda....pablum for the liberal masses. They don't even take the time to see what they're being fed...by the govt.
Hmmm, the GOPe warning Americans of ObamaCare sticker shock, yet they won’t defund it.
The GOPe/RINOs are all full of Sh*t!
The propaganda only works until the masses get the actual bill. Then the result might be the same as in Australia after the carbon tax: “Throw the Bums Out!”
At least, I hope (and pray) it works out that way.
The Republicans screwed up by not tackling health insurance reform before the Democrats did. Keeping kids on parent’s insurance policies until their mid-20s is a very popular option with both Republican and Democratic parents. Requiring health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions and to remove coverage caps are also popular ideas.
I’m 60 and retired. My husband is still working, at age 59, for a major U.S. corporation. Right now we pay $281/month for a high deductible plan. I’m trying to get my husband to retire next year. The company allows him to continue his health insurance until age 65 at COBRA prices. That would be $1,680/month for that high deductible plan. Minnesota just announced their MNSure (Obamacare) rates for 2014. For a silver plan, we would pay $654/month. Our retirement income would be too high to qualify for any government subsidy. Pardon me if I’m not jumping on the wagon to defund Obamacare.
Personally, I think Republicans are fighting a losing battle to defund Obamacare. If they were smart, they would come up with amendments to the law which not only Republicans could agree to but that they could also sell conservative Democrats on. Modifying the law is a more viable option than defunding it.
You are the worst kind of person.
You don’t deserve any of my income to pay for your healthcare, and I don’t deserve any of yours.
Just because it is good for you doesn’t mean it is good policy, ethical, or even a legal function of our Government.
How much of my income do you deserve?
Why don’t you pay for your own healthcare?
I’m a firm believer in insurance - car insurance, health insurance, home insurance, etc. My very conservative parents brought me up to be responsible, which means buying insurance.
I’m sure I’ve paid much more in car insurance, health insurance, and home insurance than I’ve ever received from them in return. But I knew that was a possibility when I bought them in the first place. Yes, I’m paying for other folks’ health care right now. I’m paying for other folks’ damaged cars and hail damage to their homes. That’s fine. That’s the nature of insurance. In fact, if, over my whole life, I pay more in insurance than I get in return, I’m fine with that.
I will continue to buy insurance and I encourage every responsible individual to do likewise. Right now uninsured individuals are a drain on the hospitals and on the U.S. government. Who ends up paying for them? That’s you and me.
So phooey to you! I pay for my health and I do it in a responsible way. You haven’t paid a penny for any of my medical care. Moreover, as I stated, our income in retirement is too high to get any health insurance subsidies. So we’re paying plenty in taxes and we’re paying for other folks’ health insurance subsidies. I’m fine with that. Everyone need to have health insurance!
IBM is pulling healthcare insurance from 100,000 retired employees and will put them in the ACA pool because of cost.
Wonder haw many of them voted for O.
Why does everyone need to have health insurance?
Please die soon so I can stop paying the freight for you deadbeats.
You are a logic idiot.
Does your car insurance pay for gas, oil changes, new tires, brakes, car washes? NO, it doesn’t it is for YOUR liability to pay back any money you owe on the car or to protect you from a large bill when you cause an accident. Not at all like Health Insurance.
Obamacare pays for a zillion little things, disregards you being FAT, SMOKING, An IDIOT, etc. So no matter how poorly you treat your body or how healthy you act you are covered. Not at all like CAR INSURANCE
If the Government were not involved you wouldn’t need health insurance, you could buy whatever service you wished, whenever you wanted it, and the price would be set by the market. (Shocker but free markets really work!)
People buy the services they need in an open and free market. Much like car repairs, or new tires, you could buy a doctor checkup or a flu shot.
And yes people do pay for your healthcare. If you are so “Wealthy” you should know a little about MATH. And if you can afford to retire at 60 you can afford to pay your own way without insurance, or Obamacare.
So double dutch phooey back at you!
As I learn more about how this is supposed to work, the reason for the massive increase in premiums is clear - it’s an income transfer scheme.
Yes, there are huge premiums. But members of the recipient class are going to be getting checks January 1, 2014 to pay them (of course, they will spend the money and pay the fine, if anyone cares to track them down).
But the hated producers? Full price for you kemosabe, plus higher taxes to send out the Obamacare checks.
Dead on! Socialism. Plain and simple. Expect more bad from Washington D.C., they love to spend your money. They see it as THEIR money.
Because sh!t happens.
Except that I can forgo buying a car. Without a car, I won’t need car insurance. Try getting along without a body.
If the Government were not involved you wouldnt need health insurance? Seriously? Until Obamacare, there was no requirement to buy health insurance. So where was the free market before then? Why wasn’t everyone skipping their employers’ health plans and just paying for what they needed? And how about the uninsured folks? They should have been paying the least of all. Except, surprise surprise, because they weren’t covered by insurance they were getting charged the higher, non-negotiated rates. My, that worked well, didn’t it?
Well, don’t buy insurance. Don’t get it through your employer and don’t buy it from a health insurance company. I don’t care. It’s only your health and your finances which get hurt. Until you’re broke and end up on medicaid and, gee, I’m paying for you after all.
By the way, be careful who you get your advice from. A lot of the pundits, both liberal and conservative, have no skin in the game. They’re either rich enough to not worry about health costs or they’re covered by health insurance plans from their employers.