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Man owed $134 in property taxes. The District sold the lien to an investor who foreclosed
washington post. ^

Posted on 09/07/2013 11:27:30 PM PDT by RC one

On the day Bennie Coleman lost his house, the day armed U.S. marshals came to his door and ordered him off the property, he slumped in a folding chair across the street and watched the vestiges of his 76 years hauled to the curb.

Movers carted out his easy chair, his clothes, his television. Next came the things that were closest to his heart: his Marine Corps medals and photographs of his dead wife, Martha. The duplex in Northeast Washington that Coleman bought with cash two decades earlier was emptied and shuttered. By sundown, he had nowhere to go.

All because he didn’t pay a $134 property tax bill.

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I think that would have gone down a lot differently if I were that 76 year old man.
1 posted on 09/07/2013 11:27:30 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

Just goes to show. You don’t really own your property.


2 posted on 09/07/2013 11:29:32 PM PDT by ktw (72 ID, Finally Retired after 25 years!)
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To: RC one

Gee, who runs the District?

Doh!


3 posted on 09/07/2013 11:39:11 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: ktw

It also goes to show to what lengths a tyrannical government will go to to squeeze the life blood out of its citizens when its failed policies finally catch up to it. and this is just the beginning of the fall. If you think it’s going to get better, you are deluded. This is why they need to disarm us and this is why we don’t let them. What good can a handgun do against an Army?


4 posted on 09/07/2013 11:40:46 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

Part of the problem is that the sale isn’t drawing sufficient public attendance.

The tax sale to collect unpaid taxes should only focus on the unpaid debt, then return the balance of the sale to the owner.

Instead, it appears the winning bids at the tax sale are unduly low, giving the winner an exorbitant profit by flipping the property ASAP, and the value of the property is harvested by the tax sale bidder, without recourse of the original owner to collect his equity.


5 posted on 09/07/2013 11:43:29 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: RC one

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23:14&version=KJV

Matthew 23:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.


6 posted on 09/07/2013 11:47:19 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Cvengr

the owner, apparently, owned the house outright. The article says he paid cash for the house 20 years ago.


7 posted on 09/07/2013 11:49:59 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

And where were his elected representatives?

Where was the DA? this is a crime.

Where is elder abuse services?


8 posted on 09/07/2013 11:50:32 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: RC one

That was insane... the punishment was over the top.


9 posted on 09/07/2013 11:51:22 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: RC one

What a pathetic article trying to blame the business people who bought the liens. This is an issue of the DC government and it wont be fixed because the reporter is either too biased or dumb to see the problem is the DC government.

Clearly the DC government does not care in the least what happens to these people. If they did they would require the business people who buy the liens to transfer everything above the amount of the lien and reasonable costs to the property owner. But instead DC only cares about getting more cash to buy votes. After all the property owners must be evil, they own property.


10 posted on 09/07/2013 11:55:26 PM PDT by JLS
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To: RC one

If I were that 76 years old man, I would have paid my property tax. Then I would not have lost everything dear to me through my own inattention or procrastination.

Sure, the story is sad, but it could have so easily been avoided. How many demands for payment did he ignore?


11 posted on 09/07/2013 11:55:36 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Republican1795.; gunsequalfreedom

Punishment? Representatives? This was no punishment, it was just wolves dining on a sheep and the representatives are the wolves.


12 posted on 09/07/2013 11:57:08 PM PDT by RC one
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To: JLS
If they did they would require the business people who buy the liens to transfer everything above the amount of the lien and reasonable costs to the property owner. I don't know of any jurisdiction where it works the way you describe. Once the property goes to a tax sale, and that happens only after all attempts to collect the tax from the owner have failed, the buyer gets the deed.
13 posted on 09/07/2013 11:58:06 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

I’d have just killed them.


14 posted on 09/07/2013 11:58:12 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

Agreed, but he is still liable for the tax lien.

The local government usually has mechanisms to enforce their property taxes by selling a deed to the property to collect taxes.

The tax lien is generally considered the primal lien on real estate.

As the full owner, he simply had a debt to be paid off.

The remaining equity in the house should be his property.

It appears he lost it because the winner of the tax sale, didn’t pay but a fraction of the real estate value. The government probably returned the balance of that sale to the original owner, but the balance wasn’t for the full market value, as the property was sold within months for hundreds of thousands more than the tax sale.

The local courts will likely enforce the sale as publicly valid, in order to remain solvent.

IMHO, his best recourse is a civil suit against the winning bidder for the balance of their sale minus the value of their work to sell the property.


15 posted on 09/07/2013 11:58:52 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: John Valentine

In California, the state has the burden of proof for one year to show the taxes hadn’t been paid and the real value had been properly transferred.


16 posted on 09/08/2013 12:02:21 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

The city, using armed and amrored agents of the government, stole a man’s private property, sold it to another individual or group of individuals, and then left the man homeless over a $134 debt. That is ****ing tyranny staring you right in the face my FRiend.


17 posted on 09/08/2013 12:04:14 AM PDT by RC one
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To: John Valentine
Sure, the story is sad, but it could have so easily been avoided.

It could have been avoided if the house was in TX..If you're over age 65, they don't kick you out of your house for not paying your property tax..
The debt accrues with interest..If you don't pay it, and you die, your heirs can pay it. if they wish to retain the property.

18 posted on 09/08/2013 12:04:17 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: RC one

Yes, but then you’d be responsible to pay off the fees for the burial permits. If you didn’t pay, then the IRS could audit you. ;^(


19 posted on 09/08/2013 12:11:45 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: RC one

These crooks file their liens legally. But they work through loopholes and most of the homeowners didn’t know they owed the taxes. And if you did pay your taxes it’s your job to prove it. It’ll be like dealing with a debt collector. There’s nothing you’ll able to say that will convince them you’re telling the truth.


20 posted on 09/08/2013 12:12:52 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: RC one

Right, and you know the county got more than $134 from the sale. So what happens to the rest of the money? Free profits for the government from stealing the property of the citizenry.


21 posted on 09/08/2013 12:13:34 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: RC one

There are multiple interests involved. All of them legitimate. It’s a well studied aspect of property law. The same consequences occur without any tyrannical involvement.

Freedom without authority is anarchy. Authority without freedom is tyranny.


22 posted on 09/08/2013 12:15:57 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: RC one
" bought with cash two decades earlier "

Bought and paid for . . .NOT . . . with property taxes we do not own anything, we just make huge security deposits and pay rent to the real owner the government. Don't pay the rent and we loose the property and the deposit.

23 posted on 09/08/2013 12:17:36 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: John Valentine
Then I would not have lost everything dear to me through my own inattention or procrastination.

Sure, the story is sad, but it could have so easily been avoided. How many demands for payment did he ignore?

From the article: Coleman, who struggles with dementia...

24 posted on 09/08/2013 12:19:26 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: fella

Yes we can own the property. There also are multiple interests and liabilities involved and it might take adjudication to discern who is the proper prevailing interest and how that is quantified.


25 posted on 09/08/2013 12:22:19 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: fella

This is the kind of thing that separates the sheepdogs from the sheep.


26 posted on 09/08/2013 12:24:22 AM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one
was there any evidence of mental slowness or dementia/senility?
..if so, tax office officials should have used other legal means..
unless they were just greedy/bribes by the new owners of the property.

27 posted on 09/08/2013 12:24:32 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: RC one

Wait to see what happens when the IRS places liens on us for not buying Obamacare.

Maybe then we will get up out of our Lazy Boys, turn off dancing with the stars and retake this nation.

Maybe.


28 posted on 09/08/2013 12:25:04 AM PDT by NoLibZone (The reason we are where we are today is the belief that posting on a website will fix the nation.)
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To: John Valentine

Not unusual for people o old age to forget or mismanage.

I know one guy was on a wheel chair and the same happened to him because he missed the hearing as there was no handicap ramp. That is right, somehow courthouses get away without them. He committed suicide.

I once went to a hearing. When I checked why I lost the claim, the record indicated I had skipped it.

Government is evil. It does not repurchase lives, it lies and destroys them

People need to get a grip about what is going on.


29 posted on 09/08/2013 12:27:20 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: NoLibZone

You know they are goingfo come. They already confiscate passport for child support, same for obamacare support.


30 posted on 09/08/2013 12:29:08 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: ktw

Real Estate means Royal (Government) Lands.


31 posted on 09/08/2013 12:30:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Cvengr

negative. In a legitimate government, a man doesn’t lose his home over a $134 tax bill owed to a local municipality. It is tyranny. But feel free to justify it however you like if it makes it easier for you to accept it. I pity the fools that come to my home when I’m 76 years old and tell me to to GTFO.


32 posted on 09/08/2013 12:42:39 AM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

We are all accountable when we disrespect legitimate authority. If one uses deadly force to disobey legitimate authority, then the state is authorized to enforce the law by deadly force.


33 posted on 09/08/2013 12:46:45 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: RC one

ridiculous. you own property yet the state takes it from you over $134 bucks. like they have the right to sell your house from under you. incredible times.

reset coming.


34 posted on 09/08/2013 1:07:56 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Cvengr

When you defend your property from rapacious Government YOU are the legitimate authority.

Did your Founding Fathers teach you nothing?


35 posted on 09/08/2013 1:08:55 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: John Valentine
You're doing this all wrong.

Don't be analytical and actually think about the facts.

You're supposed to work yourself up into a lather, put on your internet tough guy mask and boast about how you are morally entitled to commit murder if you don't pay your bills.

Clearly you think this whole "conservatism" thing is about taking personal responsibility for your own actions.

It's obviously about rehearsing childish revenge fantasies in your head instead. Don't you get it?

36 posted on 09/08/2013 1:15:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Cvengr

Disrespect legitimate authority? Ha! The legitimate authority that puts a 76 year old veteran on the street after stealing his private property and selling it to someone else over a $134 tax bill can kiss my ass in hell. How’s that for respect?


37 posted on 09/08/2013 1:16:19 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Cvengr

Assuming the authority is legitimate. On the one hand, Jesus specifically taught us 1) to pay our taxes, and 2) he himself would help us come up with the money (the coin fish). On the other hand, Augustine points out that a human law which runs contrary to the divine law has no legitimacy. Immoral law is really anti-law. And any law or system of laws which can result in this kind of inequity is clearly immoral. Someone was unjustly enriched at the expense of another. This is an ancient principle of the common law. Forfeiture as a penalty, especially for minor infractions, has long been frowned upon. The tax sale loophole is relatively modern and a clear departure from the old equities that gave the common law its moral force, I.e., its legitimacy. It cries out to be fixed. Especially where mental competency is at issue. I applaud Texas for their effort to get back on course.


38 posted on 09/08/2013 1:22:18 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Cvengr
You went ahead and did it, didn't you?

You ruined everything by actually reading the entire Constitution, and the Federalist Papers too.

Madison, Hamilton and Jay just jawboning on and on about the executive enforcing the laws, having a nation of laws instead of men, elected governments having the power to levy taxes and suppress insurrections - and all that boring grownup stuff.

It's so much cooler to fantasize about doing whatever you want and then going on a rampage when someone tells you there are consequences.

39 posted on 09/08/2013 1:25:33 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
107-year-old man killed in police shootout in Arkansas...(CNN) -- A man who police said was 107 years old was killed in a confrontation with SWAT officers.

Do you really think millions of Americans are amassing massive stockpiles of weapons and ammo so we can all look at them sitting in the safe? Think again a little more analytically. It's just a matter of time.

40 posted on 09/08/2013 1:26:22 AM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one; Cvengr

I assume you’re texting this from your car, because you’re driving over there right now to teach those JBTs a lesson, right?


41 posted on 09/08/2013 1:27:30 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

our forefathers would have started shooting 20 years ago.


42 posted on 09/08/2013 1:28:13 AM PDT by RC one
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Oh, of course they would have, of course.

They just shot people randomly all the time, I'm sure.

But you aren't, apparently.

Why is that, exactly?

43 posted on 09/08/2013 1:34:31 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

what good would that really serve?


44 posted on 09/08/2013 1:34:42 AM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one
The way you're talking about it, you make it seem like some kind of moral imperative.
45 posted on 09/08/2013 1:37:39 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

shot people randomly? who is talking about shooting people randomly besides you? You are attempting to change this dialogue to something that it is not. I have merely stated that were I, hypothetically, a 76 year old man being forced onto the street over a $136 tax bill, like Bennie Coleman, I would have killed them . The fact is, what I’m really saying is that I surely wouldn’t have faulted Mr. Coleman if he did, in fact, start shooting as I feel he would have been justified and were I on his jury, he would walk. I have no desire to kill anyone but, at the same time, I have no problem seeing the agents of a tyrannical government dieing as they impose the will of the tyrannical government on the people. No problem with it all. and neither did our forefathers.


46 posted on 09/08/2013 1:47:08 AM PDT by RC one
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If you think the Founders were in the habit of killing tax agents of the British Crown, you probably need to refresh your early American history.

That isn't how it happened.

They fought a war, quite formally, with rules of engagement and as much of the eighteenth century niceties as they could muster.

Then, almost as soon as they were finished, they put down the Whiskey Rebellion.

47 posted on 09/08/2013 1:56:04 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
They fought according to the customs of their times, though not always. Francis Marion fared quite well when employing unconventional and often brutal guerrilla tactics. But it isn't how they fought that is pertinent to this discussion, it is why they fought that matters and that can be summarized in one word-taxation. If you wanted to get more specific, you could say taxation without representation-paying taxes to a government that did not represent their interests. So yes, I say they would have been shooting by now.
48 posted on 09/08/2013 2:19:23 AM PDT by RC one
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You should also know that the Founders followed the practice of putting people like Bennie Coleman in prison for nonpayment of debts.

It wasn't until the Jackson administration that civil bankruptcy laws replaced civil imprisonment as the remedy for defaults in many states.

That's right, civil imprisonment.

49 posted on 09/08/2013 2:20:23 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: RC one

They we denied the right to elect their representatives. You are not.


50 posted on 09/08/2013 2:21:51 AM PDT by wideawake
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