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Clovis Points -- PaleoIndian Boy Scout Knives?
Ohio Historical Society Archaeology Blog ^ | September 8, 2013 | Brad Lepper

Posted on 09/15/2013 2:20:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Clovis points are undeniably special. For one thing, they are among the oldest artifacts in America. (Some archaeologists would remove the qualification and say they are THE oldest, but the evidence and arguments for a pre-Clovis human presence in the Americas are compelling -- at least to me.)

In addition to being really old, 13,000 years old give or take a century or two, Clovis points also are large, beautifully-crafted, often made from high-quality flint, and at least occasionally were used to kill mammoths and mastodons. Because a few have been found in direct association with the bones of these Ice Age behemoths, some archaeologists have imagined that Clovis points were specialized mammoth-killing weapons.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: clovis; godsgravesglyphs
Selection of endscrapers from Paleo Crossing. Endscrapers are the most common type of tool found at Clovis sites.

Selection of endscrapers from Paleo Crossing. Endscrapers are the most common type of tool found at Clovis sites.

1 posted on 09/15/2013 2:20:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Clovis spearpoints likely were all-purpose tools
The Columbus Dispatch
By Bradley T. Lepper
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/science/2013/09/08/1-clovis-spearpoints-likely-were-all-purpose-tools.html


2 posted on 09/15/2013 2:21:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

3 posted on 09/15/2013 2:21:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I just read “The Ice Man” and it was published in 1994. The late Konrad Spindler (author) would be amazed at the things that have been learned about “The Ice Man” since the publication of his book.

Amazingly complex queries have been answered by technology. And still, the Ice Man has much to reveal!


4 posted on 09/15/2013 2:26:56 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment. You have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I have found several, no, many of the smaller ones pictured in south Texas and northern Mexico. Never found one of those big ones, that would be a treat!


5 posted on 09/15/2013 2:30:40 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: SunkenCiv
Hello from Clovis, NM.

It's also interesting to speculate from where they got the flint.

Blackwater Draw is a sand dune down to what used to be the water table.

6 posted on 09/15/2013 2:33:38 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: SunkenCiv
Hey, I've got one that looks kinda like that.

Found near Menard, Texas.

7 posted on 09/15/2013 2:35:22 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: elkfersupper

just read an article somewhere that said there’s now a field tool archaeologists can use to pinpoint the source of the flint in minutes.

I don’t know. maybe google archaeologist flint field tool for the article


8 posted on 09/15/2013 2:43:43 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: elkfersupper

here it is
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3067097/posts


9 posted on 09/15/2013 2:44:40 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: elkfersupper
It's also interesting to speculate from where they got the flint.

The word "flint" is probably not always used correctly in regard to Clovis points. They were made from flint, certainly, but also other quartz minerals with conchoidal (shell-shaped) fracture. Those include chalcedony, chert, jasper, agate and obsidian in addition to flint.

There are major flint deposits in Ohio (Flint Ridge) and the colorful Alibates Flint in Texas. Less important deposits are found at many U.S. locations. The other minerals mentioned are abundant in most Western states and are found in many places around the country. The Clovis knappers probably traded for material as well.

10 posted on 09/15/2013 2:49:28 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: ckilmer
there’s now a field tool archaeologists can use to pinpoint the source of the flint in minutes.

No, not flint. Obsidian. While obsidian is often wrongly called flint it's entirely different. Obsidian is natural glass created by volcanic action. Flint, jasper, chert etc. are formed in different ways and have different properties.

11 posted on 09/15/2013 2:56:58 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: txhurl
Ping!! I may need to look much closer..
12 posted on 09/15/2013 3:07:32 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: elkfersupper; Ditter; humblegunner

Interesting!


13 posted on 09/15/2013 3:07:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Monkey Face

He had no idea when he started his climb that day that his mortal coil would wind up studied more than almost any other cadaver in history — or maybe no almost.


14 posted on 09/15/2013 3:08:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I just don’t understand this mamouth and mastodon fetish. What about ground sloths, short nosed bears, saber cats or dire wolves?


15 posted on 09/15/2013 3:10:55 PM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: SunkenCiv
If this old world last a few thousand years someone is going to be very confused in my area LOL. I had a cousin who could make arrowheads. As a prank my dad and I found a large 250 - 300 pound Quartz rock and delivered it to his front porch while he was at work. Within a few months he made some real great points from it. The three of us used to go out hunting arrowheads together. I still have my dads collection.
16 posted on 09/15/2013 3:18:34 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
If this old world last a few thousand years someone is going to be very confused in my area LOL. I had a cousin who could make arrowheads. As a prank my dad and I found a large 250 - 300 pound Quartz rock and delivered it to his front porch while he was at work. Within a few months he made some real great points from it. The three of us used to go out hunting arrowheads together. I still have my dads collection.

I've watched arrow heads being knapped. I tried it myself, and accomplished nothing but dinged and nicked fingers. I'd have had to be a forager rather than a hunter, I think.

17 posted on 09/15/2013 3:29:20 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: frithguild

Fetish?


18 posted on 09/15/2013 3:33:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: cva66snipe

;’)


19 posted on 09/15/2013 3:35:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“...high-quality flint,...” Thank you for reminding me. I use Ronson brand although there are others. I meant to refill my Zippo and I had forgotten ‘til flint was mentioned in the article and comments.

Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em. The lamp is lit.


20 posted on 09/15/2013 3:50:22 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: SunkenCiv

I suspect the man was actually in a group to find food, raw materials or other vitals for his village. The things that have finally been attributed to him point to a hunter, and that, in itself, is exciting.

I hope I live long enough for all the answers...or at least, most of them!


21 posted on 09/15/2013 4:02:52 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment. You have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.)
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To: cva66snipe
I am sure there are quite a few people who can make arrowheads. My husband just got a video about flint knapping. Watching the man on the video knock out a perfect arrowhead in less than an hour is amazing!

I have a rather large collection of arrowheads that are all the real deal, found them myself in very remote places in Texas and Mexico.

For any who are interested the video is The Art of Flint Knapping with D.C.Waldorf.

22 posted on 09/15/2013 4:41:15 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Standing Wolf

See my post #22.


23 posted on 09/15/2013 4:46:10 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: SunkenCiv

I live right on the Balcones Escarpment in Texas. Our property is “blessed” with hundreds of thousands of rocks. We used some of them for landscaping, and found that a very high percentage are chert, which is multicolored flint. It is somewhat uncommon to find such a large supply of flint.

We find broken flint chips along a natural wash. Some of the chips look like some of the pictures of the “Clovis points”. Some have speculated that early humans used this area to find and make their cutting tools.

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24 posted on 09/15/2013 5:23:41 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: humblegunner

Not an end scraper (which you find from Clovis to contact, not special to Clovis), just a large flint flake.

That upper edge of an end scraper has lots of flakes taken off, has a specific angle and is quite rounded. Historic usage of them was for scraping hides w/o tearing. Your flake would just tear through the hide because of all the sharp edges on the scraping edge.


25 posted on 09/15/2013 5:48:45 PM PDT by Betis70
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To: Ditter

Our courthouse had a large collection of local arrowhead and stone tools in three large display cases. During remodeling, someone stole the three large cases. A county official decided it wise to not notify the police for a couple of months. Who knows why. They were never recovered. Some had been determined to be 9 - 11 thousand years old. We border Indiana near Ohio.


26 posted on 09/15/2013 5:49:26 PM PDT by healy61
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To: healy61

Terrible! But I think it is your duty to scour the creek beds and find more arrowheads to replace the missing points. There are plenty of them out there, ever hard rain will uncover a few.


27 posted on 09/15/2013 6:04:41 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
I am sure there are quite a few people who can make arrowheads. My husband just got a video about flint knapping. Watching the man on the video knock out a perfect arrowhead in less than an hour is amazing! I have a rather large collection of arrowheads that are all the real deal, found them myself in very remote places in Texas and Mexico.

Around here river bottoms, creeks, and lake banks offer the best hunting places. Of course a fresh plowed field close to a spring, creek, or river is good as well. Most Flint for arrowheads around here though was traded for and brought in from likely the Ohio region.

28 posted on 09/15/2013 6:39:04 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Standing Wolf
I've watched arrow heads being knapped. I tried it myself, and accomplished nothing but dinged and nicked fingers. I'd have had to be a forager rather than a hunter, I think.

Same here LOL. Only arrows I've ever made have been from pre cut wooden shafts and store bought fletching etc.

29 posted on 09/15/2013 6:46:58 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


30 posted on 09/15/2013 10:51:16 PM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: chulaivn66
“...high-quality flint,...” Thank you for reminding me. I use Ronson brand although there are others. I meant to refill my Zippo and I had forgotten ‘til flint was mentioned ...Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em. The lamp is lit.
Ronson flint in your Zippo?!? You HERETIC!! ;-)

I only use Zippo brand Flint and Zippo brand Lighter Fluid in my Zippo (Had to put new flint in and refill fluid this morning). I found Zippo brand lighter fluid burns a lot cleaner than Ronson. Zippo flint is cleaner too, no residue buildup on-under sriker-wheel. Could be due to Zippo flint being non coated.
I use my Zippo to light my non filter Camels

oh .... uh...wait a sec... was this thread about something else????
Oh well...Smoke 'em if ya got 'em.

31 posted on 09/16/2013 5:23:09 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Somebody sat Clovis Point? Thats just my game.  photo DSCN0821.jpg
32 posted on 09/16/2013 5:46:57 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road
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33 posted on 09/16/2013 5:52:13 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: SunkenCiv

They probably served both functions.


34 posted on 09/16/2013 9:01:22 AM PDT by ZULU (Barack Hussein Obama is the Lord of Misrule)
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To: SunkenCiv

Fetish - there is evidence on some skeletons that mastodons and mammoths that they were killed and butchered with tools. Therefore, man caused the extinction of these species. That simple induction appears to me to have a lot in common with a “fetish.”

The megafauna (Ground sloth, short nosed bear, sabre cat, dire wolf) extinction that coincided with the extinction of the mastodon and mammoth also coincides with increased human employment of agriculture.

Coincidence I am sure because man hunted the mammoth and mastodon to extinction, which must have caused the food chain to the megafauna carnivores to collapse and make them go extinct as well. It is all due to the actions of man (fetish) and not that the disappearance of megafauna carnivores allowed man to engage in activities outside of the tribe long enough to do things like tend crops.


35 posted on 09/17/2013 6:42:02 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ooma Feinstein: These can be used as weapons. We need Clovis Point control!


36 posted on 09/19/2013 2:09:43 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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