Posted on 09/16/2013 7:01:46 PM PDT by FlJoePa
A lot of my fellow UCF alums were at State College last wknd....and all had praise for the fans and folks at PSU
Not once in any of our discussion of the game amongst our UCF brethren did we criticize Penn St ....not once
I am amazed how many folks who claim to be conservative continue to regurgitate everything the Liberal Media tells them....esp in regard to PSU
In addition, the janitor incident (non-existent Victim #8) has since been debunked, as the janitor was found to not even have been employed by Penn State at the time.
Here's a helpful link if you want to learn something: Sandusky Investigation
Agreed. Just shows that being conservative does not make one intelligent. The ignorance of some, whom I had previously admired, is disgusting.
For those who haven’t really taken the time to thoroughly research what happened here, and are just looking to pile on because it makes you feel good, then please do everyone a favor and shut the hell up.
I think they all hated PSU and Joe before this happened. This is just their way of justifying and reinforcing their own hate.
Also today is js's appeal hearing. One would think that the ridiculous janitor (Victim #8, and nearly the basis for freeh's entire fraudulent report) convictions could be looked at rather closely, given Ray's recent work in this area.
Hilarious. The guy “outed” himself by writing letters to the editor of 3 newspapers in November 2011 using his own name. He also went into a police station and filed an affidavit saying that nothing happened in that shower.
Yeah - Ziegler’s to blame. Nice try.
Shallow little scum always go after people of great accomplishment, and the big name they set their sites on in this case is the old man, Joe Paterno. After all, nobody ever heard of the real culprits.
Look at all the shallow little nobodies who showed up on this very thread to beat up Paterno.
What do I mean by that?
You could have 100 FREEPERS post JoePa putdowns daily for the next umpteen years...and...guess what...???
These FREEPERs still wouldn't come close to what JoePa and Penn State already did to themselves! And that especially includes what they've done to themselves PR-wise.
For example, this article wasn't written because of how this person feels treated either by FREEPERs or people FREEPERs influence...
Therefore, it's illusive to think you can somehow blame a small contingent of FREEPERs for JoePa's & Penn State's national nefarious reputation.
We are merely representative of a common sentiment already expressed by the public-at-large.
Oh. And btw...the time between Paterno's firing & his hospitalization was over two months.
If he had wanted to eventually defend his name & his honor, he could have during that interim handpicked a trustworthy family member and/or another to record convos about these issues for future revelational posterity.
He could have "made the case" better than the "Team Paterno" release that came out last Spring...
Rather than a "Team Paterno" post-death analysis... a lengthy recorded Paterno interview would have served MUCH BETTER, especially detailing EXACTLY what he meant when he lamented that he "should have done more" in this case ... yet failed to.
Even if you don't always go to bat for yourself, if truth is on your side, then such truth...IF it was indeed pro-Paterno and pro-Penn State..would have been of broader benefit to Penn State & its programs & its stewards & its fans & its students & faculty...would it have not?
Per this Sporting News article from May 2013 In effort to clear Joe Paterno's name, latest report conjures up same questions:
Don’t forget Mark Emmert and the NCAA. They should have received the death penalty. As such, I’m not sure what you have to do in order to get the death penalty from the NCAA. Were I TCU, I might sue for lost revenue.
Pedophile State - fresh hot boys delivered in 30 minutes or less to regents, or its free.
Freaky fast for State College freaks.
(Hey, whadda 'xpect from the Big 10...University of Indiana sanctioned Kinsey's baby/toddler/child sexual abuse done under Kinsey umbrella of "research")
The Big 10 also has more "Queer Studies" majors & minors they give out than most conferences (Ohio State, Michigan, etc.)
(yawn)
Funny how you never say what Joe should have done. Maybe he should have slapped the cuffs on Sandusky and taken him off to jail? What, exactly, should Paterno have done, big mouth? Nevermind... You won't have an answer that is realistic or makes any sense, just like you and the rest of the shallow little circle-jerkers never have an answer to anything that clears Paterno of culpability.
No. It's all about going after the big guy, because that's what shallow little circle-jerkers do, like little yip-yip dogs who skitter back and forth at people's ankles.
Careful about your absolute "NEVERs" ... way too easy to pick off as either badly mistaken or an outright lie. (I will assume the former in your case)
We had this discussion in May when I put up this thread then: Penn State trustees: ‘We’re trying to get where we need to be’ [PSU alumni still on attack]
Post #11 of that thread:
Let me get this straight: You're one of the head Boy Scout leaders on an outing. A reliable adult on the trip reports seeing a former Scout leader raping a kid in the shower [or at least sexually abusing him] Of course, you do the "Paterno" thing. You report it to "your supervising" Scout leader above you a rank. You wait a month. A year. Two years. You've either never heard anything more...about the victim...or the alleged perp...or you don't query around to see what's happened -- just to ensure that the authorities were, after all, notified. Then...about three years after the "incident," the eyewitness applies for a job @ your place of business. You either delegate the hiring process (or participate yourself). Either way, you talk to this "eyewitness" before hiring him. You what? You don't at least ask him -- yes or no -- "Have the authorities ever come talk to you about that minor kid rape victim?" ??? If you DO ask the interviewee for the job that Q, and finds out, "No." What? You don't start backtracking w/your fellow Boy Scout leaders to find out what happened to that report? If you DON'T ask the interviewee for the job that Q, or after he's hired and works closely with you, you don't ask that Q for year after year after year after year after year after year ... until FINALLY, you hear thru the grapevine that the authorities are indeed on the trail of the alleged perp...???? Really? FACT: The eyewitness -- McQueary -- got hired 3 years AFTER reporting what he did to Paterno...and then got a promo to head of recruiting several years after that... Paterno had the influence to ANY time during that time find out from McQueary if the authorities had followed up with him. If he did talk with McQueary about it, then Paterno ALSO became part of the cover-up. If he didn't talk with McQueary about it, then it looks like (a) Paterno not only exhibited ZERO "care" about the alleged victim, but (b) it also gives the impression that Paterno hired/promoted McQueary to silence his eyewitness knowledge & protect the program. Paterno around the time of his firing issued a statement of regret in saying he wish he had done more. That was his mea culpa, even if it ne'er went far enough.
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Then post #28 of that same thread: I didn't say JoePa had to go interview law enforcement reps. JoePa didn't even need to get a full accounting from his underling. All it took was a simple Yes-No question: "Have authorities talked with you about what you saw?" How is getting a "yes" or "no" from an eyewitness "leaking details of an investigation?"
Bottom-line there is that JoePa had a LOT of influence. He chose to use NONE of it on behalf of these vic-kids.
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Finally, that same thread...post #31:
•Victim 2 [per Grand Jury presentment] – Abused PSU shower 2001 - witnessed by McQueary – reported by PSU officials, who reported it to Second Mile. And all-powerful JoePa supposedly ne'er inquired of his "supervisors" where they reported this crime??? Even if he didn't care a dime for the kids, did JoePa at least have a heart for an old coaching buddy??? (To find out if he was "going down"???) Either JoePa had a heart of steel... ...to never inquire further of men -- men, btw, in which he carried much more power than they... ...or he did inquire to enough degree to know that this was all still out of the radar of the authorities... In which case, if the latter, he tossed the victims and potential future victims under the bus of protecting the image of the program.
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#1: How much JoePa effort would it have been over the course of YEARS to have a simple short convo or two with an underling coach about what he saw Sandusky to-- and what has become of it (or NOT become of it)...???
#2: If JoePa had absolutely no heart for a Sandusky victim, why not at least his ole coaching buddy?
#3: And if JoePa had no heart for EITHER a Sandusky victim or Sandusky, himself...then what? No wonderment from JoePa as to where this potential image-inflicting investigation stood? An investigation that would bring plenty of harm to the entire Penn State name & JoePa legacy?
Sorry...but to declare JoePa as 100% disinterested in ALL of the above doesn't pass the straight face test.
Can’t answer the question, eh?
Not surprised. Pedoturno’s defenders and enablers seldom can.
You and your ilk have absolutely no class. Beat it. I'm done with all of you.
2) Joe Paterno and js basically despised each other. This is common knowledge to anyone w/ an ounce of information on this case. Notice the same picture the haters continue to post? Why in nearly 40 years, from when js played for Rip Engle until his retirement as a coach, is that the ONLY picture available on the WHOLE interwebs of the two of them together?
3)Why would ratting out a retired coach as a pedophile be bad for Joe's or the football program's image? That is as stupid as your first two questions. Joe Paterno never gave a rats ass what the media thought of him or his program. He just cared about doing the right thing. The Rashard Casey case is a perfect example.
I live in Pennsylvania and so do my grandkids. Many of them are looking at colleges. Penn State (main campus) is an extremely competitive college. Its academic reputation hasn’t suffered at all with this horrible episode. I’ve never followed college football much but that’s all I can assume has been harmed. A Penn State degree is worth more today than ever. The upper middle class has decided they’re not going to go into massive debt to pay for college and so they’re maybe borrowing a little and paying a reasonable amount to send their kids to one of the best, most competitive colleges in the country - Penn State.
Should clarify - those are US News rankings, not Forbes.
“The former university president Graham B. Spanier, the former athletic director Tim Curley and the former university vice president Gary Schultz are set to stand trial for their suspected roles in a cover-up of Sandusky’s actions.”
Spanier was hired by Penn State. Spanier was/is the epitimy of encouragement for the likes of Sandusky. Curley and Schultz, along with Paterno, did indeed provide cover for Sandusky. Penn State, though maybe not the individual profs and students, diserve the image that Penn State allowed to be created. Facts are facts. It is time for the ‘elitists’ at Penn State to recognize and own the consequences. As far as the football program, a 5 year death penalty would have been in order. The NCAA blew it there.
Did it ever dawn on you that MM told JVP, GS, and TC wayyyyy back in 2001 that he simply saw JS in a shower with a kid and he found it weird. The University told JS to stop bringing kids on campus (which he did), and reported the incident to his boss (the second mile).
10 years later, the OAG investigator approaches MM with tales of countless victims and all of the sudden, MM’s version of events suddenly changes. His new version still didn’t even approach the ridiculousness of the GJ Presentment (anal rape, etc.), but is certainly different than what he told JVP, GS, and TC.
If this (or something very close to this) did NOT happen, there is no explanation for one of TC, GS, or GS to not have flipped on the other(s). The prosecutor’s office has been trying forever to get that to happen, but it hasn’t. Frankly, they don’t have any evidence against them and I would be surprised if the trial even takes place.
Tim Curley has probably never gotten a parking ticket in his life. His reputation is impeccable. I don’t know Schultz or Spanier, but I find it hard to believe if they were told what YOU THINK they were told wayyy back in 2001, they wouldn’t have taken different actions.
It makes no sense. If they were going to “cover this up”, why didn’t they tell MM to keep his mouth shut? Why did they encourage him 10 years later to testify in front of the GJ? Why did all 3 of them volunteer to testify in front of the GJ? What sense does that make, if they were trying to cover something up? It makes none.
5 year death penalty? For breaking exactly what ncaa rules? Penn State has never had a major violation in any sport in the history of the school.
The ncaa is about to get hauled into court at the end of October over this. If that case gets to discovery, the jig is up for emmert, freeh, and the 11-11 b.o.t. as well as interim president erickson.
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