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Pope blasts abortion after decrying focus on rules
Associated Press ^ | Sep 20, 2013 11:49 AM EDT | Nicole Winfield

Posted on 09/20/2013 9:08:33 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Pope Francis offered an olive branch of sorts to the doctrine-minded, conservative wing of the Catholic Church on Friday as he denounced abortions as a symptom of today’s “throw-away culture” and encouraged Catholic doctors to refuse to perform them.

Francis issued a strong anti-abortion message and cited Vatican teaching on the need to defend the unborn during an audience with Catholic gynecologists.

It came a day after he was quoted as blasting the church’s obsession with “small-minded rules” that are driving the faithful away. In an interview that has sent shock waves through the church, Francis urged its pastors to focus on being merciful and welcoming rather than insisting only on such divisive, hot-button issues as abortion, gay marriage and contraception. …

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicism; popefrancis; prolife; smallmindedrules

1 posted on 09/20/2013 9:08:33 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

this dude is a train wreck


2 posted on 09/20/2013 9:11:12 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Olog-hai
Only the media could confuse murdering unborn children with 'small-minded rules'. They really are trying to twist this pontif's words.

/johnny

3 posted on 09/20/2013 9:11:17 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: yldstrk
The media has done nothing but twist his words into things he didn't say. And you are believing the media.

/johnny

4 posted on 09/20/2013 9:11:55 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Olog-hai
Pope Francis offered an olive branch of sorts to the doctrine-minded, conservative wing of the Catholic Church

The pope is opposed to abortion. And sodomy.

And... get this...

The pope is Catholic.

Take any news report, and ignore what's outside the quotation marks.

The pope's recent controversial words did not represent any change in Church doctrine. How could it? He was speaking in pastoral terms; specifically, how to reach out to self-described homosexuals, and those who advocate abortion, or who have been touched by abortion.

5 posted on 09/20/2013 9:16:06 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Olog-hai

The pope never mentioned the condemnation of abortion as one of the small-minded rules. The media considers abortion one of those universal rights like divorce and adultery so they were the ones who lumped it all together.


6 posted on 09/20/2013 9:16:30 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s not the things he didn’t say that are bothering people. And the media.

It’s the things he DID say.


7 posted on 09/20/2013 9:17:14 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The media is lying about what he did say.

/johnny

8 posted on 09/20/2013 9:19:06 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: yldstrk

he supposedly approved the Jesuit hack job initially, so what are we to believe?.....that he changed his mind, they switched the script, he’s bipolar?


9 posted on 09/20/2013 9:25:55 AM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

who knows? the whole thing with getting a new Pope was shocking I thought


10 posted on 09/20/2013 9:29:25 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Exactly!


11 posted on 09/20/2013 9:30:11 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Olog-hai
I'm glad that he's against abortion, but isn't he the same guy who said, “Who am I to judge” just the other day?

Not exactly the words of an infallible vicar.

12 posted on 09/20/2013 9:36:52 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Olog-hai

Confidential to the Pope: sometimes it makes sense to draw a red line. Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing on a modern day abortorium.


13 posted on 09/20/2013 9:38:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Henceforth, the Office of the President shall be known as IMPOTUS)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The pope said this:

“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.

"The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus.

"We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel. The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow."

I fear the pope is naive at best, as to how the media and the modern age will snatch at his words. Did he really mean that the Church's moral teachings are "disjointed?" Does he not realize that by saying in this particular context that not all moral teachings are equivalent, which of course they are not, he affirms those who decide for themselves that abortion is a minor sexual transgression, unimportant, and not murder?

As Rod Dreher says, imagine if the pope had said the Church spends too much time talking about the poor and powerless, when all that matters is Jesus gave us salvation. The media and the libertines would not be saluting him, oh finally we have a good pope.

14 posted on 09/20/2013 9:48:29 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Olog-hai

http://americamagazine.org/pope-interview

for those who want to read what the Pope actually said, as opposed to what the AP tells you he said.


15 posted on 09/20/2013 9:58:23 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Procyon
“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible.” The Pope
16 posted on 09/20/2013 10:11:52 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: PATRIOT1876

>>>I’m glad that he’s against abortion, but isn’t he the same guy who said, “Who am I to judge” just the other day?>>>

You misread the statement. Who am I to judge says the priests should be preaching redemption instead of merely preaching against abortion. Forgiveness and redemption is an old teaching of the Catholic Church.


17 posted on 09/20/2013 10:17:34 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hi “can’t we all just get along” attitude is nauseating. Maybe he’s the church’s answer to Bam.


18 posted on 09/20/2013 10:40:12 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Not at all. I saw the actual interview, and the media was if anything, understating what he said.

The Pope himself used those words, and they were used in context of evil conservatives trying to enforce orthodoxy.

He says elsewhere that he is amazed by how many complaints Rome gets from people complaining of orthodoxy not being followed! Unreal!

What a total disaster. He will have to answer to God when he dies!


19 posted on 09/20/2013 10:46:00 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: Responsibility2nd; JRandomFreeper

Keep in mind that the Holy Father was speaking to Catholics.

Engaged Catholics actually know their faith, which means they know and understand exactly what he said, but also the teaching of the 2000 years behind what he said.

The media and the uninformed will pretend to be Catholic long enough to write about something of which they know from little to nothing, left only to cherry pick quotes and actually rearrange context, out of utter ignorance and not a little anti-Catholic sentiment.

If not so increasingly pathetic, the disarray would be hilarious. It used to be. The radicalism of outsiders these days is making it not to damn funny any more.


20 posted on 09/20/2013 10:49:19 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: yldstrk
this dude is a train wreck

I agree! He is a disaster as Pope! If Peter will not defend the Church, we are in for some trouble.

The Pope may be infallable in rare cases, but the Pope can also be silent, or minimize sin (Pope Liberius), or even be condemned by an infallable Ecumenical Council for heresy (Pope Honorius, by the Second Council of Constantinople).

21 posted on 09/20/2013 10:49:23 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: rollo tomasi

WHO REALLY IS POPE FRANCIS?

Pope Says Church Is ‘Obsessed’ With Gays, Abortion and Birth Control

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Six months into his papacy, Pope Francis sent shock waves through the Roman Catholic Church on Thursday with the publication of his remarks that the church had grown “obsessed” with abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and that he had chosen not to talk about those issues despite recriminations from critics.

“Obsession” in defense the unborn baby and opposing abortion, the “most abominable of crimes”, as stated in Vatican II, is not a sin but a virtue, and Pastors of the Church who disparage those who fight for the unborn, are betraying one of the main tenets of the Catholic Church.
The BBC reported that Pope Francis turned down the red cape with ermine by saying this: “No thank you, Monsignore. You put it on instead. Carnival time is over!”
And he walked into the papal apartments and said “There’s room for 300 people here. I don’t need all this space.”

Isn’t to brag about your own humility denoting a form of arrogance? Isn’t Pope Francis in fact belittling the virtues of previous Popes?

Pope Francis: ‘I have never been a right-winger’
By Steve Ahlquist on September 19, 2013

In an almost direct rebuke to critics, including Rhode Island’s own Bishop Thomas Tobin, leader of the Providence Diocese, Pope Francis, in his first extensive interview since being elected to the head of the Roman Catholic Church, has said, we cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.

Shouldn’t Bergoglio rather answer that a Pope must be above labels and state firmly and clearly that his duty is to defend unequivocally the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Magisterium of the Church?

What was the position Bergoglio had then regarding Liberation Theology?

He was completely against it. In fact, as Theology students, we had never studied a single book by, for instance, Gustavo Gutiérrez, one of the founders of Liberation Theology, of by [Leonardo] Boff, or by Paulo Freire, with his studies on an education that is not a cultural “dependency” [of the “imperialistic powers”]. In Philosophy, we had read little, very little, of Heidegger and Kierkegaard, one single chapter of Thus Spoke Zarathustra... Not to mention Marx, Engels, Sartre, Foucault, the Post-Moderns, etc. Nothing that could contradict Catholic doctrine or dogmas. All that under strict orders of Jorge Bergoglio.

Bergoglio was against Liberation Theology… before he was for it. Why, otherwise, Leonardo Boff, the Maryknolls, and all the main advocates of Marxist Liberation Theology, are elated with the new Pope?


22 posted on 09/20/2013 11:34:07 AM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Dqban22

The article you posted totally misrepresents his usage of the word “obsessed” in the interview.

Look at the article and interview side by side and see if you think it is fair or accurate. I don’t.


24 posted on 09/20/2013 11:57:19 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos

Pope Says Church Is ‘Obsessed’ With Gays, Abortion and Birth Control

NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html

AMERICA MAGAZINE

http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview

“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.
“The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus. We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel. The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow.


25 posted on 09/20/2013 12:33:21 PM PDT by Dqban22
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