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Intel proves once and for all that PCs are not coming back (Really?)
Semi -Accurate ^ | Sep 18, 2013 | Charlie Demerjian

Posted on 09/20/2013 11:02:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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Intel proves once and for all that PCs are not coming back

IDF 2013: Rant - Dead and gone because that is what Intel wants for some reason

I went to IDF this year hoping to find a reason that PCs weren’t doomed and came away knowing all key players are actively making things worse. The PC isn’t just in trouble, it is actively being destroyed because no one involved is interested in changing.

Lets face it, the modern Windows 8 PC is a miserable experience, it is not a step forward from its predecessors in any measurable way but the steps backward are as numerous as they are obvious. The forthcoming Windows 8.1 is at best window dressing attempting to placate the critics without actually fixing any of their complaints.

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1 posted on 09/20/2013 11:02:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They’ll do until something else better comes along. What about an ANDROID based PC?................


2 posted on 09/20/2013 11:04:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Right. No way businesses are going to give up their PCs. What would they use instead? Tablets? There would be too many security risks. (well more than the NSA is creating now)


3 posted on 09/20/2013 11:04:58 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Red Badger

and hopefully some major Linux advances will happen soon


4 posted on 09/20/2013 11:06:30 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

iPads and Mobile are great for reading information, but if you ever want to create a document, presentation, or spreadsheet, you’ll always need a keyboard and mouse.


5 posted on 09/20/2013 11:09:02 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

the industry is falling on its own petard

the race to the bottom on price

turned first the components and then the units

into commodities

while the mobile business leaders focused on profit-margins

NOT low price, and with those margins kept investing

ahead of the “PC” business

there is one aspect of it all that does not make me jump for joy

all data couid be going to “the cloud” in time

making big brother (the government/NSA/tech industry partnerships) even bigger and more threatening to real Liberty


6 posted on 09/20/2013 11:10:00 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Red Badger

You could run a stripped-down Linux distro on a Raspberry Pi without issue. Office automation apps might not work exceptionally well, but it’s something.

I don’t believe this hype, really. The Linux community is growing every day. This author seems to be focused solely on the user experience on Windows 8, which I agree is horrible, but he offers little in the way of legitimate market realizations for PCs to go the way of the dodo.

The BIGGEST reason we might see PCs start to dwindle is the idea of cloud-based thin clients or virtual desktop infrastructure (i.e. VMware VDI) where we all have stripped-down desktop PCs running on remote kernels. We already use them in the business world. I don’t see it being a big seller in the consumer retail market though.


7 posted on 09/20/2013 11:11:36 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: MNDude

The avg college kid does not have a PC. Most are tablets. In the next 5 years I believe phones/mini tablets will be the norm. Everything will be touch screen. You dont go to the office but work from home.

Hope you trust your employees.


8 posted on 09/20/2013 11:13:09 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Charlie the Tuna has hated Intel for 15 years.
I don’t know why, he just does.


9 posted on 09/20/2013 11:16:00 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: GeronL

If anything, lately, I would not call what is happening with Linux “advances”.


10 posted on 09/20/2013 11:17:34 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar

lol.

Probably not but at least we have some very very stable ones like Ubuntu 12.04


11 posted on 09/20/2013 11:18:38 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Zathras

Maybe it’s because he’s “not the one.”


12 posted on 09/20/2013 11:19:13 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Wuli
There is still a pretty good market for people who prefer to bank, e-mail and work on spreadsheets on a typical 22" desktop screen as opposed to your typical 7" tablet screen or 3" cell phone screen.

Not to mention watching streaming movies, tv shows or other unmentionables.

13 posted on 09/20/2013 11:19:52 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Amen to that....also, I find it near impossible to type on a tablet, laptop, or phone..


14 posted on 09/20/2013 11:23:50 AM PDT by ken5050 (According to Dick Lugar, I'm a "random outlier." Woo Hoo!!!!)
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To: ken5050

bump


15 posted on 09/20/2013 11:24:12 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I think the name PC should be changed to Mark Twain:

"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated!"

What is this? The 20th such report in the last 20 years?

The Cloud?
That same concept did not catch on in 1960, and it sure won't this time. People and businesses rationally want control of their own data, without the easy access by hackers, inside criminals and the GUMMINT!

16 posted on 09/20/2013 11:24:25 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: ShadowAce
And Windows 8.1 for those without a current Windows 8.0 license is going to be expensive....at least prior to this little note

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Xbitlabs has :

Pricing and Packaging of Windows 8.1, Windows 8.1 Pro Unveiled.

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Microsoft Will Not Launch Discount Campaigns with Windows 8.1

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17 posted on 09/20/2013 11:24:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I find myself making the same point over and over again. When people say “The PC is dead (or dying)” it’s well to stop and think about what is said by the people who say this and what is thought by people who read it.

I think the statement really means “The days of explosive growth for PC’s are over”. When people read this they think “The PC is going the way of the dodo bird”.

No the PC is not going to go away. But I do tend to agree that the days of year over year growth are over.

Think about mainframes as one example. The “death of the mainframe” was widely proclaimed a long time ago. But guess what - they still exist and are used by all sorts of businesses.

10 years from now I feel will still be using PC’s. But they’re not going to be under everyone’s Christmas tree the way they were in the past.


18 posted on 09/20/2013 11:28:31 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I still don’t find Windows 8 “miserable”. Anyone who continues that line has an agenda.

If you can use windows 7, you can use windows 8. Period. It’s about 4 clicks different. And some of the context menus make managing your machine easier, not harder.

Yes, I run windows 8 on ALL of my machines. Is there room for improvement in the interface? always. What version of Windows since 3.1 has that NOT been true?

But the HATE. The outright HATE every single solitary time MS releases a new OS... MS isn’t killing the PC, the users are doing it themselves by being unsatisfiable no matter what MS does.

The PC is STILL the bastion of freedom and open development. When you need to create some software that does something new or specific, or you want to sell a pice of specialty hardware to the public and have them use it easily what do you use? A PC. Why? It’s the only platform that is both OPEN enough and EASY enough for end users to use.

On that front the PC is never going to die completely. It will continue to be the development platform for everything else... because it’s the only one you can successfully develop on.

There may be a rush to “appliance” devices today, but general purpose computing will never die. And someday the curve will go back the other way as people demand more flexibility.


19 posted on 09/20/2013 11:28:34 AM PDT by Advil000
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To: rarestia

A remote kernel, with local storage, would be interesting. No need to worry about viruses, since there is no local OS to infect, but your data could still be fairly secure residing physically on your own computer


20 posted on 09/20/2013 11:29:22 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yeah, data entry clerks will be typing in data on touchscreens. Students will be writing term papers on tablets. Way to go Madame Blovatzky! Got any more perdictions?


21 posted on 09/20/2013 11:32:10 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I wish PC was going away and not coming back.


22 posted on 09/20/2013 11:37:51 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Baseballguy

“The avg college kid does not have a PC. Most are tablets. “

How do they possibly write papers like that?


23 posted on 09/20/2013 11:40:20 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: madison10

Don’t forget that tablets are not very ergonomic. As a person with many orthopedic issues, some unknown but most definitely showing themselves, I can attest to this. They would need to make equipment to make tablets truly nice to use at a desk. But they would still be too small.


24 posted on 09/20/2013 11:40:35 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Advil000

You got it. But none of what you say makes the Windows OS any better than it is and has been. 2013, and as it was in 1983, it is still a single user machine with a single file version file system, no batch processing facility, primitive command line shell, etc, etc. (I know the “workarounds”, no need to educate me.) Compare to what was available in 1983.


25 posted on 09/20/2013 11:40:38 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Advil000

“But the HATE. The outright HATE every single solitary time MS releases a new OS... MS isn’t killing the PC, the users are doing it themselves by being unsatisfiable no matter what MS does.”

Nonsense. The users are very satisfiable, but MS doesn’t seem to care about customer satisfaction. If they did, they wouldn’t get rid of features that the users like without seeking feedback first. On the contrary, even after they release the product and get tons of negative feedback, they still ignore the users.

MS doesn’t operate on a model of giving users what they want, they operate on a model of giving users what MS thinks they should want. That is the main source of customer dissatisfaction. Blaming the customers for a business’ failures is just silly.


26 posted on 09/20/2013 11:41:55 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Revolting cat!

If you had said 2000 instead of 1983, I might agree with you to an extent.


27 posted on 09/20/2013 11:44:14 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Boogieman

Reasonable or not - they should have made the metro interface “opt in” rather than “opt out”. So I agree with you. They could have saved themselves millions and untold heartache simply by making the new UI a choice instead of a hazard.


28 posted on 09/20/2013 11:44:18 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: MNDude
Yep. It's not easy programming on a smart phone.

Tried it :)
29 posted on 09/20/2013 11:44:48 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Boogieman

That’s not how it would work. Everything would be remote hosted. Your local machine would not have any storage. It would be akin to a WYSE terminal with network connectivity, USB ports for peripherals, and an HDMI output for your monitor/TV. Everything’s in the cloud.

Even in your example, however, all that’s required is a kernel-mode exploit to sniff all of the channels into your processor, and your data is no longer secure.

Microsoft’s already going “to the cloud” with Office 365 in the business world. All of our email is stored on MS servers with remote hosts handling all mail exchanges. This is an end run for Microsoft to finally get what they believe is theirs and no longer have to worry about losing money to licensing for their Office products. The next generation of corporate desktops will be hosted by Microsoft. Mark my words.


30 posted on 09/20/2013 11:47:49 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: MNDude
"but if you ever want to create a document, presentation, or spreadsheet,"

Video editing?, computer programming?, data analysis?

31 posted on 09/20/2013 11:48:24 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Red Badger

Google is trying its hand at that market with Chromebooks. Android was not quite appropriate for laptops apparently.


32 posted on 09/20/2013 11:49:16 AM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: rarestia

“Microsoft’s already going “to the cloud” with Office 365...”

I think you are right. I would never do it myself and I think business would go for a private cloud maybe, but that is where MS is going.


33 posted on 09/20/2013 11:49:57 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Revolting cat!

I don’t know what you had in 1983, but my Toshiba notebook from 2013 running W8 bears no resemblance to my Toshiba laptop from 1983 running MSDOS, in terms of functionality.


34 posted on 09/20/2013 11:50:19 AM PDT by 867V309 (Stupidity is ordained; Ignorance is a choice.)
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To: Advil000
I still don’t find Windows 8 “miserable”. Anyone who continues that line has an agenda. If you can use windows 7, you can use windows 8. Period. It’s about 4 clicks different. And some of the context menus make managing your machine easier, not harder.

Says the Microsoft Salesman/ Vendor

But the HATE. The outright HATE every single solitary time MS releases a new OS...

Only since XP

MS isn’t killing the PC, the users are doing it themselves by being unsatisfiable no matter what MS does.

Blame the customer, Yeah that worked out so well for JCPenny

When your only argument for something is "you are just too stupid to understand how great it is" you know you are wrong. See Soccer, Presta Valves, 2001 A Space Odyssey for other examples

35 posted on 09/20/2013 11:52:50 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: 867V309

I’m not talking about hardware or laptops, I’m talking about operating system technology. Software.


36 posted on 09/20/2013 11:55:03 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I like W8 way better than MSDOS. But that’s just me.


37 posted on 09/20/2013 12:01:07 PM PDT by 867V309 (Stupidity is ordained; Ignorance is a choice.)
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To: Advil000
I still don’t find Windows 8 “miserable”. Anyone who continues that line has an agenda.

I use ALL versions of Windows (except ME) at work on various medical imaging modalities. I hate Windows 8. Yes, I HATE Eight.

I love Windows 7, and couldn't wait to dump the Vista abomination for it.

Before that, I have always like XP. I was a little put off by the registration crap if you changed components at first, but it is fairly painless.

Before that, Winders 2000 was a major step up from 98, which wasn't bad in it's time. 95 was slightly better than 3.1.

So there you go, I've recounted my opinions of all of Macro$ucks operating systems. No agenda, just honesty. Windows 8 sucks ass, and that's all there is to it.

38 posted on 09/20/2013 12:02:58 PM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: 867V309

The world of operating systems has been wider than Windows, MSDOS and Linux, and that’s the point. No one’s comparing Windows to ONLY MSDOS, although unfortunately, Windows, for reasons which once had to to with backward compatibility carries MSDOS’ weaknesses to this day.


39 posted on 09/20/2013 12:07:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

That’s exactly right. This ‘PC is dead’ stuff is nonsense. People still have and require (not everyone, but anyone who works for a living on a computer) real computers.

However, the days of people upgrading every two years are long over. That’s why people aren’t buying PCs. I’ve always been a pretty ‘cutting edge’ type of guy when it comes to my desktop, I built it in 2010 (because my previous one died) and I have no need to upgrade it now or in the foreseeable future unless it breaks. Same with my laptop from 2009. I added more ram and an SSD, but the base system is untouched, because it does everything I need it to do.

Simply put, they’ve hit a wall where the new advances aren’t worth the money to upgrade.

This wall has also been hit with phones and tablets and is just beginning to show itself in the market. For instance, I have a Galaxy Note 2. I bought it when I broke the screen on my Galaxy Note. Unless something happens to my Note 2, I have no interest whatsoever in the new model that they just released. It simply doesn’t offer anything compelling to make it worth upgrading to.


40 posted on 09/20/2013 12:11:51 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Da spoons and fooorks are dead.
People are drinking from the bottles.

FUBO


41 posted on 09/20/2013 12:13:44 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Why rant about Windows 8 when Windows 7 is solid, useful and not an abortion intended to serve all platforms?
As long as Microsoft and Intel continue to support Win7, it can live forever.

Just remember VISTA. I would still be nursing Windows XP as long as humanly possible were in not for the VISTA replacement.

Manufacturers cannot force customers to accept and use crap. they are not the Federal government.

In the last few days, there was a report of a new chip that allow gigabite memory which is faster, smaller and uses 1/10 the power. I can't see, even if it were possible, using telephones, netbooks and game consoles to do serious computing on a tiny device.

A 20 Gig PC built into a Standard Sized keyboard would be true, useful evolution.

Windows 8? FUGGEDABOUTID!

42 posted on 09/20/2013 12:14:21 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Windows 8 is better than any version of windows I have ever used. I go back to Win 3.0.

Windows 8.1 is a very nice upgrade to Windows 8.


43 posted on 09/20/2013 12:16:37 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The problem with Windows features development has always been that Microsoft, as all computer companies, has responded to the demands of the loudest and biggest (buying volume) corporate managers, as a rule, non-technical people, who in turn respond to their corporate suckups.


44 posted on 09/20/2013 12:20:39 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Speak in Hyperbole much?

Windows 8 is a disaster, but PC’s are a commodity and given windows 8 sucks and it is nearly impossible to find a PC without it, most folks are holding onto their good enough PCs rather than upgrading.


45 posted on 09/20/2013 12:21:51 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Revolting cat!
YOU were comparing Windows, new vs. old: But none of what you say makes the Windows OS any better than it is and has been. 2013, and as it was in 1983, it is still a single user machine ...

Of course MSDOS wasn't Windows, but it was the MS operating system.
46 posted on 09/20/2013 12:25:19 PM PDT by 867V309 (Stupidity is ordained; Ignorance is a choice.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Oh great!
After reading the comments at that link, I need to go wash my brain.

I have no time, and never will, for illiterate morons whose existence is now in cellphonespeak.
I value whatever insights or comments they have less than zero. If their ability to communicate is that fragile, I can't conceive how their technical opinions are worth spit.

47 posted on 09/20/2013 12:33:03 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Revolting cat!; Advil000
[...] as it was in 1983, it is still a single user machine with a single file version file system, no batch processing facility, primitive command line shell, etc, etc. [...] Compare to what was available in 1983.

Comparing DOS to NTVDM is absurd, without even mentioning PowerShell. One of the best new things in NTVDM is the innate ability to process lists in a FOR loop, making batch processing a cinch. Add to that the ability to use (and the improvement in) jscript, vbscript, and wscript (again, not even mentioning PowerShell), and there is no comparison whatsoever.

48 posted on 09/20/2013 12:35:29 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m sure glad I read this.

I’ve been working all day on an order for 25 PCs (with Win 7) to upgrade my training lab.

I probably should just forget it and buy 25 tablets...


49 posted on 09/20/2013 12:38:13 PM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Boogieman
A remote kernel, with local storage, would be interesting. No need to worry about viruses, since there is no local OS to infect, but your data could still be fairly secure residing physically on your own computer

I seldom use a PC without access to an electrical plug, even my laptops.
However, I can't imagine not being able to do real adult work on a PC in environments, which I have often experienced, where there is no access to the internet.

50 posted on 09/20/2013 12:38:24 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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