Skip to comments.Intel proves once and for all that PCs are not coming back (Really?)
Posted on 09/20/2013 11:02:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
I went to IDF this year hoping to find a reason that PCs werent doomed and came away knowing all key players are actively making things worse. The PC isnt just in trouble, it is actively being destroyed because no one involved is interested in changing.
Lets face it, the modern Windows 8 PC is a miserable experience, it is not a step forward from its predecessors in any measurable way but the steps backward are as numerous as they are obvious. The forthcoming Windows 8.1 is at best window dressing attempting to placate the critics without actually fixing any of their complaints.
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They’ll do until something else better comes along. What about an ANDROID based PC?................
Right. No way businesses are going to give up their PCs. What would they use instead? Tablets? There would be too many security risks. (well more than the NSA is creating now)
and hopefully some major Linux advances will happen soon
iPads and Mobile are great for reading information, but if you ever want to create a document, presentation, or spreadsheet, you’ll always need a keyboard and mouse.
the industry is falling on its own petard
the race to the bottom on price
turned first the components and then the units
while the mobile business leaders focused on profit-margins
NOT low price, and with those margins kept investing
ahead of the “PC” business
there is one aspect of it all that does not make me jump for joy
all data couid be going to “the cloud” in time
making big brother (the government/NSA/tech industry partnerships) even bigger and more threatening to real Liberty
You could run a stripped-down Linux distro on a Raspberry Pi without issue. Office automation apps might not work exceptionally well, but it’s something.
I don’t believe this hype, really. The Linux community is growing every day. This author seems to be focused solely on the user experience on Windows 8, which I agree is horrible, but he offers little in the way of legitimate market realizations for PCs to go the way of the dodo.
The BIGGEST reason we might see PCs start to dwindle is the idea of cloud-based thin clients or virtual desktop infrastructure (i.e. VMware VDI) where we all have stripped-down desktop PCs running on remote kernels. We already use them in the business world. I don’t see it being a big seller in the consumer retail market though.
The avg college kid does not have a PC. Most are tablets. In the next 5 years I believe phones/mini tablets will be the norm. Everything will be touch screen. You dont go to the office but work from home.
Hope you trust your employees.
Charlie the Tuna has hated Intel for 15 years.
I don’t know why, he just does.
If anything, lately, I would not call what is happening with Linux “advances”.
Probably not but at least we have some very very stable ones like Ubuntu 12.04
Maybe it’s because he’s “not the one.”
Not to mention watching streaming movies, tv shows or other unmentionables.
Amen to that....also, I find it near impossible to type on a tablet, laptop, or phone..
"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated!"
What is this? The 20th such report in the last 20 years?
That same concept did not catch on in 1960, and it sure won't this time. People and businesses rationally want control of their own data, without the easy access by hackers, inside criminals and the GUMMINT!
Xbitlabs has :
Microsoft Will Not Launch Discount Campaigns with Windows 8.1
I find myself making the same point over and over again. When people say “The PC is dead (or dying)” it’s well to stop and think about what is said by the people who say this and what is thought by people who read it.
I think the statement really means “The days of explosive growth for PC’s are over”. When people read this they think “The PC is going the way of the dodo bird”.
No the PC is not going to go away. But I do tend to agree that the days of year over year growth are over.
Think about mainframes as one example. The “death of the mainframe” was widely proclaimed a long time ago. But guess what - they still exist and are used by all sorts of businesses.
10 years from now I feel will still be using PC’s. But they’re not going to be under everyone’s Christmas tree the way they were in the past.
I still don’t find Windows 8 “miserable”. Anyone who continues that line has an agenda.
If you can use windows 7, you can use windows 8. Period. It’s about 4 clicks different. And some of the context menus make managing your machine easier, not harder.
Yes, I run windows 8 on ALL of my machines. Is there room for improvement in the interface? always. What version of Windows since 3.1 has that NOT been true?
But the HATE. The outright HATE every single solitary time MS releases a new OS... MS isn’t killing the PC, the users are doing it themselves by being unsatisfiable no matter what MS does.
The PC is STILL the bastion of freedom and open development. When you need to create some software that does something new or specific, or you want to sell a pice of specialty hardware to the public and have them use it easily what do you use? A PC. Why? It’s the only platform that is both OPEN enough and EASY enough for end users to use.
On that front the PC is never going to die completely. It will continue to be the development platform for everything else... because it’s the only one you can successfully develop on.
There may be a rush to “appliance” devices today, but general purpose computing will never die. And someday the curve will go back the other way as people demand more flexibility.
A remote kernel, with local storage, would be interesting. No need to worry about viruses, since there is no local OS to infect, but your data could still be fairly secure residing physically on your own computer
Yeah, data entry clerks will be typing in data on touchscreens. Students will be writing term papers on tablets. Way to go Madame Blovatzky! Got any more perdictions?
I wish PC was going away and not coming back.
“The avg college kid does not have a PC. Most are tablets. “
How do they possibly write papers like that?
Don’t forget that tablets are not very ergonomic. As a person with many orthopedic issues, some unknown but most definitely showing themselves, I can attest to this. They would need to make equipment to make tablets truly nice to use at a desk. But they would still be too small.
You got it. But none of what you say makes the Windows OS any better than it is and has been. 2013, and as it was in 1983, it is still a single user machine with a single file version file system, no batch processing facility, primitive command line shell, etc, etc. (I know the “workarounds”, no need to educate me.) Compare to what was available in 1983.
“But the HATE. The outright HATE every single solitary time MS releases a new OS... MS isnt killing the PC, the users are doing it themselves by being unsatisfiable no matter what MS does.”
Nonsense. The users are very satisfiable, but MS doesn’t seem to care about customer satisfaction. If they did, they wouldn’t get rid of features that the users like without seeking feedback first. On the contrary, even after they release the product and get tons of negative feedback, they still ignore the users.
MS doesn’t operate on a model of giving users what they want, they operate on a model of giving users what MS thinks they should want. That is the main source of customer dissatisfaction. Blaming the customers for a business’ failures is just silly.
If you had said 2000 instead of 1983, I might agree with you to an extent.
Reasonable or not - they should have made the metro interface “opt in” rather than “opt out”. So I agree with you. They could have saved themselves millions and untold heartache simply by making the new UI a choice instead of a hazard.
That’s not how it would work. Everything would be remote hosted. Your local machine would not have any storage. It would be akin to a WYSE terminal with network connectivity, USB ports for peripherals, and an HDMI output for your monitor/TV. Everything’s in the cloud.
Even in your example, however, all that’s required is a kernel-mode exploit to sniff all of the channels into your processor, and your data is no longer secure.
Microsoft’s already going “to the cloud” with Office 365 in the business world. All of our email is stored on MS servers with remote hosts handling all mail exchanges. This is an end run for Microsoft to finally get what they believe is theirs and no longer have to worry about losing money to licensing for their Office products. The next generation of corporate desktops will be hosted by Microsoft. Mark my words.
Video editing?, computer programming?, data analysis?
Google is trying its hand at that market with Chromebooks. Android was not quite appropriate for laptops apparently.
“Microsofts already going to the cloud with Office 365...”
I think you are right. I would never do it myself and I think business would go for a private cloud maybe, but that is where MS is going.
I don’t know what you had in 1983, but my Toshiba notebook from 2013 running W8 bears no resemblance to my Toshiba laptop from 1983 running MSDOS, in terms of functionality.
Says the Microsoft Salesman/ Vendor
But the HATE. The outright HATE every single solitary time MS releases a new OS...
Only since XP
MS isnt killing the PC, the users are doing it themselves by being unsatisfiable no matter what MS does.
Blame the customer, Yeah that worked out so well for JCPenny
When your only argument for something is "you are just too stupid to understand how great it is" you know you are wrong. See Soccer, Presta Valves, 2001 A Space Odyssey for other examples
I’m not talking about hardware or laptops, I’m talking about operating system technology. Software.
I like W8 way better than MSDOS. But that’s just me.
I use ALL versions of Windows (except ME) at work on various medical imaging modalities. I hate Windows 8. Yes, I HATE Eight.
I love Windows 7, and couldn't wait to dump the Vista abomination for it.
Before that, I have always like XP. I was a little put off by the registration crap if you changed components at first, but it is fairly painless.
Before that, Winders 2000 was a major step up from 98, which wasn't bad in it's time. 95 was slightly better than 3.1.
So there you go, I've recounted my opinions of all of Macro$ucks operating systems. No agenda, just honesty. Windows 8 sucks ass, and that's all there is to it.
The world of operating systems has been wider than Windows, MSDOS and Linux, and that’s the point. No one’s comparing Windows to ONLY MSDOS, although unfortunately, Windows, for reasons which once had to to with backward compatibility carries MSDOS’ weaknesses to this day.
That’s exactly right. This ‘PC is dead’ stuff is nonsense. People still have and require (not everyone, but anyone who works for a living on a computer) real computers.
However, the days of people upgrading every two years are long over. That’s why people aren’t buying PCs. I’ve always been a pretty ‘cutting edge’ type of guy when it comes to my desktop, I built it in 2010 (because my previous one died) and I have no need to upgrade it now or in the foreseeable future unless it breaks. Same with my laptop from 2009. I added more ram and an SSD, but the base system is untouched, because it does everything I need it to do.
Simply put, they’ve hit a wall where the new advances aren’t worth the money to upgrade.
This wall has also been hit with phones and tablets and is just beginning to show itself in the market. For instance, I have a Galaxy Note 2. I bought it when I broke the screen on my Galaxy Note. Unless something happens to my Note 2, I have no interest whatsoever in the new model that they just released. It simply doesn’t offer anything compelling to make it worth upgrading to.
Da spoons and fooorks are dead.
People are drinking from the bottles.
Just remember VISTA. I would still be nursing Windows XP as long as humanly possible were in not for the VISTA replacement.
Manufacturers cannot force customers to accept and use crap. they are not the Federal government.
In the last few days, there was a report of a new chip that allow gigabite memory which is faster, smaller and uses 1/10 the power. I can't see, even if it were possible, using telephones, netbooks and game consoles to do serious computing on a tiny device.
A 20 Gig PC built into a Standard Sized keyboard would be true, useful evolution.
Windows 8? FUGGEDABOUTID!
Windows 8 is better than any version of windows I have ever used. I go back to Win 3.0.
Windows 8.1 is a very nice upgrade to Windows 8.
The problem with Windows features development has always been that Microsoft, as all computer companies, has responded to the demands of the loudest and biggest (buying volume) corporate managers, as a rule, non-technical people, who in turn respond to their corporate suckups.
Speak in Hyperbole much?
Windows 8 is a disaster, but PC’s are a commodity and given windows 8 sucks and it is nearly impossible to find a PC without it, most folks are holding onto their good enough PCs rather than upgrading.
I have no time, and never will, for illiterate morons whose existence is now in cellphonespeak.
I value whatever insights or comments they have less than zero. If their ability to communicate is that fragile, I can't conceive how their technical opinions are worth spit.
Comparing DOS to NTVDM is absurd, without even mentioning PowerShell. One of the best new things in NTVDM is the innate ability to process lists in a FOR loop, making batch processing a cinch. Add to that the ability to use (and the improvement in) jscript, vbscript, and wscript (again, not even mentioning PowerShell), and there is no comparison whatsoever.
I’m sure glad I read this.
I’ve been working all day on an order for 25 PCs (with Win 7) to upgrade my training lab.
I probably should just forget it and buy 25 tablets...
I seldom use a PC without access to an electrical plug, even my laptops.
However, I can't imagine not being able to do real adult work on a PC in environments, which I have often experienced, where there is no access to the internet.