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A-10 Thunderbolt
NRO ^ | 9/20/2013 | unknown

Posted on 09/23/2013 10:15:18 AM PDT by rktman

Renowned for its lethal striking power and rugged airframe, the Air Force’s A-10 Thunderbolt has proven its mettle on thousands of combat missions in more than three decades in service. But now it's future may be in question due to budget cuts and shifting missions. Here’s a look.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: aerospace; cas; usaf; warthogs
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Okay. Gratuitous photos of Wart-hogs. A-10's are awesome. Of course if they were to rename them AR-10's there could be a problem.
1 posted on 09/23/2013 10:15:18 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Maybe there will be flood of surplus ammo?


2 posted on 09/23/2013 10:17:27 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: rktman
The A-10 should belong to the Army. AF certainly hates it. Ground pounders are the biggest user of the A-10 anyway.

I say the above as a former zoomie.

/johnny

3 posted on 09/23/2013 10:18:42 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Paladin2
Maybe there will be flood of surplus ammo?

My 30MM gatling gun is in the shop. ;)

/johnny

4 posted on 09/23/2013 10:19:38 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Maybe those will be available in the aftermarket too.

Stuff that that could come in handy for the mistaken SWAT Team raids.

5 posted on 09/23/2013 10:22:20 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: rktman

saw these doing a demo in Tucson, AZ.

Instantly became my new favorite aircraft. It was awesome. They seem to float while unleashing a $hitstorm of death.

The demo was so realistic I was afraid some sort of accident happened from all the smoke.


6 posted on 09/23/2013 10:23:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: rktman

The A-10 Thunderbolt (the Warthog: So ugly ... it's beautiful!

7 posted on 09/23/2013 10:24:39 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I said that here a long time ago.

Thanks for your service!


8 posted on 09/23/2013 10:25:04 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: JRandomFreeper
Had mine mounted and ready to go, but the suspension on the Smart Car gave out...
9 posted on 09/23/2013 10:25:52 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Paladin2

Surplus AR-10 ammo? For my gatling gun mounted on top of my 66 VW. Awesome. (Not available in kalifornia!)


10 posted on 09/23/2013 10:26:39 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: MileHi

That reminds me of the FUNNIEST sight I saw just yesterday on State Road 7 in Florida.

It was a HUGE Behemoth of a tow truck pulling a “smart (dumbass) car. The juxtaposition made me LOL right in my own vehicle! hahaha


11 posted on 09/23/2013 10:30:43 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: rktman
The Air Force employes the Padlock the Statue of Liberty Strategy. Either we fully fund their useless pork-sucking zoomies, or they will eliminate the only effective platforms they have left.
12 posted on 09/23/2013 10:31:24 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Mr. K

Seems like there has always been talk of discontinuing the A-10 due “shifting missions” and whatnot but it’s still the best way to go from someone I don’t like has a tank to someone I don’t like used to have a tank.


13 posted on 09/23/2013 10:31:55 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: JRandomFreeper

“My 30MM gatling gun is in the shop. ;)”

Mine fell in the ocean after an unfortunate boating accident.


14 posted on 09/23/2013 10:34:05 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Check out the rifling in the barrels. Puttin’ a great spin on the 30mm’s all the way round.


15 posted on 09/23/2013 10:38:28 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman
For my gatling gun mounted on top of my 66 VW. Awesome.

I think you'd need a trailer for that drum magazine.

16 posted on 09/23/2013 10:38:37 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywrHUroEHY4


17 posted on 09/23/2013 10:41:53 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Charles Martel

LOL! Maybe I need to mount my VW on top of the gun. Scary to say it, but it looks like a high cap magazine is included.


18 posted on 09/23/2013 10:42:10 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman

The A-10 must be hated because it is such a relatively cheap plane. Oh yeah, it’s old. So let’s rebuild B-52’s...I’m sure the upgrade package for a B-52 at this point must cost 3x what a whole new A-10 would cost. An unmanned A-10 would be an utterly awesome battlefield-clearer.


19 posted on 09/23/2013 10:43:50 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Charles Martel

16% of the aircraft weight...holy cow....


20 posted on 09/23/2013 10:44:19 AM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: rktman

I have a ‘66 VW, but no sunroof so I’ll have to use an old Suburban.


21 posted on 09/23/2013 10:44:50 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

No pilot, more ammo. WOO HOO!


22 posted on 09/23/2013 10:45:31 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: rktman

All across the world there are tanks wiping their brows in relief saying “finally we have a chance”.


23 posted on 09/23/2013 10:47:11 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: rktman

LOL, Macro grooving.


24 posted on 09/23/2013 10:47:20 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: nascarnation

As I recall, it is one of the few planes that was literally designed around the gun.


25 posted on 09/23/2013 10:48:48 AM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: Charles Martel

Looks like a 64 or 65 (wrong hubcaps to be a ‘66).


26 posted on 09/23/2013 10:49:15 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Dusty Road

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2btSb-mIIQ


27 posted on 09/23/2013 10:49:55 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: rktman

My aunt lived behind the old Grumman facility and in the early 80s I saw a wing of these take off for where ever they were destined for.

Very imposing.


28 posted on 09/23/2013 10:50:33 AM PDT by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: rktman
Yup, the Sequester was a "joke", until it hollowed out the military.

To this very day, the Hannity worshipers mock the Sequester, despite the fact that the military said it would be the final knife after the military had already (before the Sequester) absorbed two huge cuts to its budget (2009 and 2011).

But hey, people who were wrong don't like to admit they were wrong, so I don't expect to see any of that on this forum.

29 posted on 09/23/2013 10:50:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Sigurdrifta

Nothing like a little depleted uranium to stir thing up....


30 posted on 09/23/2013 10:53:21 AM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: rktman

I was trying to find the year I went to Cairo West on an early Brave Shield joint exercise. It was before 1976 and we had a huge air drop from the states with C-141’s as well as A-10’s shooting up 55 gallon drums of fuel to make a big explosion and get all of the senior leaders from several nations to go ‘oh and ah’.


31 posted on 09/23/2013 10:57:48 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: rktman

Just read this article a moment ago. Apparently, Cessna hopes to replace the A-10 with this...

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cessna-Unveils-Military-Jet220588-1.html


32 posted on 09/23/2013 10:58:19 AM PDT by miele man
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To: Mr. K

Some years back while backroad travelling from Alex., LA, I heard what sounded like the biggest chainsaw ever. Then I saw the Warthogs flying around and as they poured a ton of lead out the front you could hear the sound. Quite impressive. I sure would not want one of them looking for me.

Some months later I was invited to the Target Range for the nearby airbase and saw closeup these baddest of the badboys in action.

Later during Desert Storm, A-10s were stationed at Barksdale AFB and several pilots lived nearby in the country. They all seemed to love the ugly A-10.


33 posted on 09/23/2013 10:58:37 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: rktman

A gun with an airplane designed around it. What a beautiful thing!


34 posted on 09/23/2013 10:58:57 AM PDT by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: X-spurt

The Hawg is a terrific airplane!


35 posted on 09/23/2013 11:01:45 AM PDT by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: nascarnation
If the odumbo would have let the troops use the A-10’s in Iraq and Afghanistan, there would be a very small amount of U.S troops being killed. IMO, the A-10 is THE MACHINE for striking down the terrorists muzzies. Soon as one of their "smoke signal" messages to their troops were lite, the whole damn place would "light up".
36 posted on 09/23/2013 11:04:39 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: rktman

Only half of the A-10s produced are still in service. We should be producing new ones. Why not evolutions of proven designs instead of revolutionary designs we can’t afford?


37 posted on 09/23/2013 11:05:04 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: left that other site

Somewhat off topic, but regarding your post - a few weeks ago we were heading down I-5 in San Diego County, and passed the aftermath of a crash. Rear end of the Toyota Camry was fully trashed, front bumper of the Smartcar had a few scrape marks on it. We were amazed! I am NOT a Smartcar kinda guy, just reporting an observation. Thanks.


38 posted on 09/23/2013 11:07:04 AM PDT by jttpwalsh
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To: rktman

Are they going to talk about replacing it with the F-16 again?


39 posted on 09/23/2013 11:11:13 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Strengthen the under carriage for carrier duty and let Marines have it.


40 posted on 09/23/2013 11:11:28 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Sigurdrifta

It was...looking across the Fulda Gap, the Air Force needed something that could kill lots of Soviet tanks, cheaply and efficiently. With its high rate of fire, large ammo capacity and depleted uranium rounds, the GAU-8 30mm gun was the ideal solution. It was designed by GE (which won a competition with Philco-Ford), but support for the program is now provided through a division of General Dynamics.

One of the more interesting notes on the GAU-8/A-10 program is how an Air Force Colonel saved the service billions of dollars on ammunition. Forty years ago, the Air Force announced it was willing to pay up to $80 a round for GAU-8 DU rounds.

A Colonel named Bob Dilger was working on the program at the time and thought that proposal was nuts. Breaking most of DoD’s contracting rules, he told the two competing contractors that he would give the annual A-10 ammo contract to the firm that could deliver the cheapest and most reliable rounds. With hundreds of millions of dollars on the line each year, the contractors began to undercut each other to get the contract. At one point, the Air Force was paying less than $10 a round for A-10 ammo, a genuine bargin.

For his efforts, Dilger was passed over for Brigadier General and retired as an O-6. He also ran into a bit of trouble back in the 80s; demonstrating 30mm anti-tank gun at the Pentagon, the weapon discharged and destroyed a pump at a nearby gas station. Misdemeanor charges against him were later dropped.

The Air Force has always hated the A-10, but they can’t find anything that can replace it. Also, the notion that the Hawg is easy meat for other fighters is a bit far-fetched. I participated in a couple of Red Flags where A-10s claimed valid kills against F-16s or F-18s that tried to get low and slow with them. In both cases, the “real” fighter pilot couldn’t get a radar track on the A-10 (due to terrain) and couldn’t get a tone for their AIM-9 (because of reflected heat off the desert). Meanwhile, the A-10 got a gun track on the fast mover and called a “Fox-8”


41 posted on 09/23/2013 11:15:06 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: JRandomFreeper
Your; AF certainly hates it.

Indeed. The Air Force has always institutionally hated the A-10. It was slated for the graveyard until Desert Shield/Storm. Then its superb performance and "Joint" popularity made it impossible for the Air Force to get rid of. But now memories are fading. So its days are numbered unless another publicly acceptable war erupts.

Before the Gulf Wars rescued the A-10, I was mystified why the Air Force so detested it. After speaking with numerous USAF pilots it became clear to me that the A-10's insurmountable problem was that it was not a fighter. Of course the pilots didn't express it that way. But that's what it boiled down to.

The A-10 would be a natural fit for the Army. But that would mean reconstituting US Army Air Corps (or Force) fixed-wing assets. And the USAF would rather attack the USA than to allow it to again soar with the eagles!

42 posted on 09/23/2013 11:15:15 AM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Amazing how often that happens. If I lose any more I’ll have to stop shooting fish. I’ve yet to find a gun rack for a boat in Walmart.


43 posted on 09/23/2013 11:16:34 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: rktman

30mm rounds exit the barrel at 3,400-3,600 FPS, at 112,600 RPM, and a TRAINING round can penetrate an inch and a half of armor at 2,000’. . .the range a “normal” 20mm AP round uses. The A-10 AP round can puncture an inch and a half of armor at 8,000’.

Pull the trigger for less than a second and 10 rounds per barrel, per second are fired. Keep the trigger down more than a second and you end up melting the barrel.

Pull the trigger and the jolt of the gun shakes the beejesus out of you, can’t see clearly due to the vibration, and the shoulder inertial locks lock-up due to a moment of rapid deceleration.

(Former Hog Driver)


44 posted on 09/23/2013 11:16:49 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: nascarnation
16% of the aircraft weight...holy cow....

When the gun is removed from the airframe for repair or heavy maintenance, they have to put a brace under the A-10's tail boom to keep the Warthog from tipping back on its main gear.

45 posted on 09/23/2013 11:17:02 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Paladin2
Maybe there will be flood of surplus ammo?

For a GAU-8 Avenger?

The Mk44 Bushmaster II also shoots that cartridge.

I'm not sure if the use the depleted uranium bullet the GAU-8 uses.

46 posted on 09/23/2013 11:20:49 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

“He also ran into a bit of trouble back in the 80s; demonstrating 30mm anti-tank gun at the Pentagon, the weapon discharged and destroyed a pump at a nearby gas station. Misdemeanor charges against him were later dropped.”

Don’t know about that. When I flew the Hog we heard a steroy about a guy having a barrel and round. . .without permission, and accidently discharges the weapon on civiv street somewhere and hit a gass station. Demonstrating a 30mm round at the Pentagon? Please explain that as the Pentagon is an office building surrounded by parking lots and buildings and is not a range.

“The Air Force has always hated the A-10, but they can’t find anything that can replace it.”

True.

“Also, the notion that the Hawg is easy meat for other fighters is a bit far-fetched. I participated in a couple of Red Flags where A-10s claimed valid kills against F-16s or F-18s that tried to get low and slow with them.”

I have too, as well as gun kills against the F-18.

“In both cases, the “real” fighter pilot couldn’t get a radar track on the A-10 (due to terrain) and couldn’t get a tone for their AIM-9 (because of reflected heat off the desert).”

Of course, you do know AIM-9’s can now lock on and track even hot cars on the highway and with AMRAAMs don’t jam off on ground clutter, not with the radars we have now.

“Fox 8?” Never heard of that. Always called “Guns, guns, guns” as a kill call. (We didn’t usually call “FOX 4” because we were NOT going to use a bombers termonology.)


47 posted on 09/23/2013 11:25:35 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: rktman

While out on a country road years ago in the boondocks somewhere around the west side of Jackson, NJ (a dozen or twenty or so miles east of McGuire AFB) I looked in my mirror and saw a Warthog in it. Low altitude, following the road; nearest I could figure he might have been practicing sighting in on vehicles. After he passed overhead and was obscured by the treeline a second one came screaming over. Impressive show.

If we could turn a dozen of them loose on Mecca and the Kabb’a we wouldn’t need to nuke it!


48 posted on 09/23/2013 11:28:33 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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~ Let's build the next generation and call it the AR-20 and have these installed.~

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49 posted on 09/23/2013 11:30:37 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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I don't see what will replace it. We need a slow, agile, powerful platform for desert warfare. I don't see our enemy moving to new terrain to make it obsolete.

IMO, it will be saved and improved,........again.

50 posted on 09/23/2013 11:36:05 AM PDT by chuckles
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