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MLB playoffs 2013 (Baseball Live Thread)
Sporting News ^ | September 23, 2013

Posted on 09/24/2013 3:47:19 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT

For the first time since 1992, the Pittsburgh Pirates are in MLB's postseason. The Bucs clinched at least a spot in the wild-card game after a 2-1 victory over the Chicago Cubs that ended with a bizarre play at the plate, and a 4-3 loss by the Washington Nationals to the St. Louis Cardinals. The loss eliminated the Nats from contention.

The Cincinnati Reds are playoff-bound as well, after beating the New York Mets, 3-2 in 10 innings. The focus over the regular season's final six days now shifts to the NL Central race, which the Cards still lead by two games over the Pirates and Reds.

Lost in the NL happenings Monday: The Detroit Tigers were unable to clinch a playoff berth in the American League. They lost, 4-3 in 11 innings, to the Twins in Minnesota.

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6 days to go in regular season. The past week saw some memorable games, including the 18-inning Rays-Orioles battle.

It is hard to see how the final week will hold as much excitement ...

1 posted on 09/24/2013 3:47:19 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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Tiebreaker rules off the MLB site ...
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/playoff-tiebreaker-rules?ymd=20130904&content_id=59527184&vkey=news_mlb

the AL tiebreakers for seeding are
OAK over DET and both over BOSTON

contrary to the belief of some, OAK has clinched the tiebreaker over BOS
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2013/9/23/4765064/magic-numbers-and-games-to-watch-09-24-2013

and it is ATL over LAD and both over STL

head-to-head GRID
http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/grid


2 posted on 09/24/2013 3:54:06 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Wild cards took all of teh excitement out of pennant races, and is part of the reason I no longer follow MLB.

Go Dodgers, I guess.


3 posted on 09/24/2013 3:54:21 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I watched the Rays/Orioles game, and was hoping for another inning, so they could tie the record. They set the record for the most pitchers used in one game.


4 posted on 09/24/2013 3:54:28 PM PDT by pallis
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Gnats screwed the pooch last season, saving Strasbourg for something or another.


5 posted on 09/24/2013 3:54:56 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention of the states is our only hope.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Tonight’s notable Games

Chicago WS @ Cleveland 7:05 PM
TB @ NYY 7:05 PM
NYM @ Cincinnati 7:10 PM
Milwaukee @ Atlanta 7:10 PM
Houston @ Texas 8:05 PM
Pittsburgh @ Chicago Cubs 8:05 PM
Detroit @ Minnesota 8:10 PM
Washington @ St Louis 8:15 PM

Boston @ Colorado 8:40 PM
Oakland @ LAA 10:05 PM
Kansas City @ Seattle 10:10 PM
LAD @ SF 10:15 PM


6 posted on 09/24/2013 3:55:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Rangers are 15-2 this year against the Stros....Against the rest of the league......70-69.

In a way by playing in the Western Division, is like being spotted 10 wins over the teams in the other divisions.


7 posted on 09/24/2013 3:57:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Go Cubs!

oops, wrong year, wrong century.


8 posted on 09/24/2013 4:02:40 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing
oops, wrong year, wrong century.

Wrong planet.

9 posted on 09/24/2013 4:02:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: campaignPete R-CT

The season plus the Playoffs are so long — still, a one-game WC round seems too short. 3 games, maybe ...


10 posted on 09/24/2013 4:03:41 PM PDT by mikrofon (Beisbol BUMP)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Debby Downer


11 posted on 09/24/2013 4:04:01 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Let’s go Bucs!!!!!


12 posted on 09/24/2013 4:04:20 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: dfwgator

No way to treat a fellow Gator !


13 posted on 09/24/2013 4:04:48 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: mikrofon

The thing about the one game WC playoff, is that now it places much more importance on winning the division than before.


14 posted on 09/24/2013 4:05:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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tiebreakers:
PITT over STL
STL over CINN

PITT-CINN tiebreaker to be determined this weekend. head-to-head they are 8-8 with 3 to play.

TEX over TB
TB over CLEVE
CLEVE over TEX

3-way tie:
CLE 7-5
TB 7-6
TEX 5-8
So it would be TB @ CLE on MON, with the winner going to the wildcard game. The loser plays @ TEX on TUES to determine the other entry.


15 posted on 09/24/2013 4:07:52 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: dfwgator
Wrong planet.

Wrong galaxy.

16 posted on 09/24/2013 4:17:19 PM PDT by JPG (Putin Does Obama.)
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To: dfwgator

Perhaps, but all 3 NL Central qualifiers could end up many games better than the West Div. Dodgers, and one WC game to decide doesn’t seem right.


17 posted on 09/24/2013 4:20:22 PM PDT by mikrofon (Beisbol BUMP)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Tampa already winning 3-0 against the Stankees.


18 posted on 09/24/2013 4:22:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator; pallis; Jacquerie; AlmaKing; swpa_mom; GOPsterinMA; Impy

Tonight, the Spotlight is on:
Hector Santiago
Brad Peacock
Chris Rusin

among others. One of whom may come up big in a big spot.
Either TEX has to start winning or STL has to start losing to make things interesting.


19 posted on 09/24/2013 4:22:10 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

The Pirates won’t go very far in the playoffs, but it’s still sweet to have a winning season after 21 years.

As we say here, the Pirates done good.


20 posted on 09/24/2013 4:27:38 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Go Mets!
(Oops! Wrong thread.)


21 posted on 09/24/2013 4:29:14 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: mikrofon
Perhaps, but all 3 NL Central qualifiers could end up many games better than the West Div. Dodgers, and one WC game to decide doesn’t seem right. And teams that clinch rest their top players.

Different schedules. I agree with BlackElk, and go with NO playoffs, just World Series. The flip side of divisions with wild cards enabling the deserving runners-up, are teams winning a weak division, who have no business going ANYwhere. In the NFL, the Seahawks went 7-9, won a bad divison, and got to host (and win) a playoff game. In baseball, the 1973 Mets won the Eastern division with a .509 record, and managed to win the five game playoff to get steamrollered by the A's in the World Series. These short series also exaggerate the importance of having a couple of top starting pitchers (this benefited the Dodgers greatly in their last WS appearance, as Orel Hershiser pretty much carried the whole team.)

Of course, even in the good ol' days you had the occasional tie and one game tie breaker (B'klyn Dodgers-NY Giants, and Yankees-Red Sox, Dodgers-Astros in the pre-wildcard division playoff days). I think after 156/162 games, it is safe to say that either team would deserve to represent the League/Division, but only one can.

I would put up with all of it if they didn't give us regular season interleague play as well.
22 posted on 09/24/2013 4:35:55 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Exit148
Go Mets!
at least u can watch the Reds game.
I hope Dice-K don't embarrass the baseball world on WED nite by getting shelled. Stupid decision to have him pitch that game.
23 posted on 09/24/2013 4:39:07 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

CLE already up 1-0, end of 2.


24 posted on 09/24/2013 4:45:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek; a fool in paradise; Cyman; Charles Henrickson; Pan_Yan; yellowdoghunter; Dacula

MLB ping, new thread


25 posted on 09/24/2013 4:50:45 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: tomkat; this_ol_patriot; Cyber Liberty; grania; TBP; Rome2000; americas.best.days...; Figment

MLB pingb, new thread


26 posted on 09/24/2013 4:51:54 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: Jacquerie
Gnats screwed the pooch last season, saving Strasbourg for something or another.

I still can't understand that decision. They came THIS close to defeating the Cards. Straz would have been the difference.

27 posted on 09/24/2013 4:52:37 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: fatnotlazy

I’m kind of mixed on the Pirates. Their pitching is as good as any team in the playoffs. Its all going to come down to their offense. If it gets hot, its going to be an interesting October. If its stagnant, well, they’re doomed :-).


28 posted on 09/24/2013 4:54:51 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Switching back and forth.

Hope the Tigers can wrap this up tonight. Verlander was classic Verlander last night despite the loss. 10 K in 3 and a half innings.

Peralta will be rejoining the team for the final 3 games.


29 posted on 09/24/2013 4:56:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: who knows what evil?; Mears; Nacho Bidnith; Colorado Buckeye; NFHale; AuH2ORepublican

MLB pingc, new thread


30 posted on 09/24/2013 4:58:22 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: edh
Its all going to come down to their offense

Precisely .. this'd be a REEEAL good time for McCutchen and Alvarez to get back to form .. kinda perplexed that Walker's not starting tonight.

Fingers crossed that there was a lot more champagne sprayin' than champagne drinkin' last night !

31 posted on 09/24/2013 5:00:42 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: campaignPete R-CT

thanks for the ping, Pete !
32 posted on 09/24/2013 5:01:29 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Thanks for including me! (even tho I’m a Yankee fan)LOL!

But also, GO TRIBE!!

Post-season baseball in the BEST.


33 posted on 09/24/2013 5:17:31 PM PDT by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: tomkat

does Jeff Locke have an injury or being rested?


34 posted on 09/24/2013 5:19:31 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Go back and look at the 1988 season with Orel Hershiser again. His statistics don't support what you've posted here.

He started three games in the NLCS against the Mets, and the Mets won two of them (Hershiser didn't get a decision in either game). His only victory in that series was a 6-0 shutout in Game 7. He enhanced his credentials for series MVP by coming out of the bullpen to save Game 4, though. He did win two games in the World Series, but that looked very dominant because the series only went five games. I'm not sure he would have been ready to start a Game 7 if the series went that long.

That team had a pretty good group of three starters (Hershiser, Tim Belcher and Tim Leary), all of whom had ERAs below 3.00 and won more than 60% of their decisions.

35 posted on 09/24/2013 5:20:23 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: edh

The Pirates suffer from a lack of consistency. If they could be consistent, the World Series would be theirs. Perhaps that consistency will come next year.


36 posted on 09/24/2013 5:22:18 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: campaignPete R-CT
Dunno about any injury, but he gave up 5 runs in two (?) innings a couple nights ago.

Probably not due up in the rotation for another couple days.

37 posted on 09/24/2013 5:25:52 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Dr. Sivana

As a matter of principle I’m OK with wild-card teams in the playoffs, but not in any sport where unbalanced schedules make it completely unfair. The NFL is the worst offender here, since the season isn’t long enough to come close to a balanced schedule.


38 posted on 09/24/2013 5:30:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Thanks for the ping. Worried about the Reds. Glad there is a MLB ping list. GO CARDINALS!!


39 posted on 09/24/2013 5:30:42 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (My son said, "You tickled my laugh". Lol!!!)
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To: yellowdoghunter

REDS: Leake is out after 54 pitches.
faced 12 batters, 8 hits. In ‘12, he wasn’t too effective in SEPT/OCT.


40 posted on 09/24/2013 5:34:40 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: Alberta's Child
As a matter of principle I’m OK with wild-card teams in the playoffs, but not in any sport where unbalanced schedules make it completely unfair. The NFL is the worst offender here, since the season isn’t long enough to come close to a balanced schedule.

Funny. I came to the opposite conclusion. Because ethe schedule is unbalanced, the likelihood of a very good team with a less than perfect record is more likely. The Jacksonville Jaguars went 14-2 in the 1999 season. The Wildcard Tennessee Titans went 13-3. But guess where the Jags' two losses came from? Yup. Tennessee, who went on to toast them a third time on the way to getting beaten by the Rams in an exceptional Super Bowl. It would have been a shame if the Titans didn't get into the playoffs, as a 16 game season is barely enough to separate wheat from chaff.
41 posted on 09/24/2013 5:53:11 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Good point. The problem, though, comes when you have wild-card contenders from different divisions. Imagine the scenario of a 10-6 team that doesn’t even make the playoffs because they lost a wild-card tiebreaker to another 10-6 team in a different division that went 6-0 against three very weak division opponents during the course of the year, and went 4-6 against the rest of the NFL.


42 posted on 09/24/2013 5:59:35 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: fatnotlazy

If they have to face Johnny Cueto in a one game playoff, they have problems. Big ones. He owns us. We have won a game he started, but he left the game early hurt.

Our offense will certainly dictate how well we do. Our bullpen is pretty stable. Melancon has faltered a bit this past week, but hes been lights out otherwise. Grilli looks like he is back to normal. Im not worried there nor does starting pitching concern me. Liriano, Burnett, Morton, and Cole all look pretty good.

Our offense had some glaring holes in RF and at 1B. Byrd has been great in RF .... Morneau hasn’t done much at 1B. The rest of the offense has had issues throughout the season, but they seem to be coming together right now.

All in all, yeah, they’re a bigger threat next year if they address the 1B and RF holes in the offseason (we do have an option for RF in our minors) ... that was killing us most of the season. However, if this team goes on a streak like they did in June, its going to be pretty interesting for Pirate fans this October.


43 posted on 09/24/2013 6:00:55 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: tomkat

The only problem Cutch is having is long ball ... he’s a bit lacking there compared to last year. Alvarez has got to quit the human windmill impressions :-). He almost has the same strikeout total as Burnett!


44 posted on 09/24/2013 6:03:30 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: Alberta's Child
Go back and look at the 1988 season with Orel Hershiser again. [ . . . ]He did win two games in the World Series, but that looked very dominant because the series only went five games.

When I said he carried the team, I meant in the World Series, not against the Mets. He was the WP in HALF of the victories. He did it on VERY short rest as the Dodgers sweated against the Mets and the A's reclined in chaise lounges after sweeping the BoSox, coming back against the A's to pitch not just a win, but a 3 hit shut out. That combined with Gibson's HR in Game 1 completely but the heavily favored A's in a fog they couldn't escape. He followed up in game five with Four hitter, winning the deciding game, pitching on THREE DAYS REST. Today's pitchers who throw 95.3 pitches before they hit the showers compare poorly. He was also the first pitcher in our lifetimes to get three hits in a World Series game. He dominated. And yes, he and Gibson (in Game 1) carried the 1988 World Series Dodgers.
45 posted on 09/24/2013 6:05:45 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Locke went a bit wild after the all star break. They’re kind of resting him. He had a pretty high walk/hit rate before the break. Everything seemed to catch up with him. He also seems exhausted.


46 posted on 09/24/2013 6:07:25 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: edh

Yep re Pedro .. they’ve got him down at 7th in tonight’s order .. whether Cutch gets hot again or not (prolly will, imo), he comes across as a genuinely good guy.


47 posted on 09/24/2013 6:16:32 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Rangers bats go back to sleep.


48 posted on 09/24/2013 6:18:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Back to back HR from the Tiggers.

Almost 3


49 posted on 09/24/2013 6:21:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

And followed up by a 2 run Homer by Austin Jackson.


50 posted on 09/24/2013 6:26:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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