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LLOYD: BYU football fan frustration after Utah loss resulted in poor behavior [Mormon trash tossers]
Provo Herald ^ | Sept. 23, 2013 | Jared Lloyd

Posted on 09/26/2013 1:00:21 PM PDT by Colofornian

Yes, BYU football fans are like football fans everywhere.

They may not drink as much alcohol but when they get frustrated, they can do some ridiculous things.

Saturday night proved to be a perfect example.

Cougar supporters, incensed by what they perceived to be an erroneous no-call on what should've been a pass interference penalty on the final play of the game, were caught on camera peppering the officiating crew with trash and other items as the referees left the field.

We all do things in the heat of the moment that we wouldn't do if we were able to step back and think things through. This is certainly another case of that.

But this can also be very dangerous and result in legal consequences (although I've heard of no police investigation at this point).

It's unacceptable on other levels, as well.

It's certainly not the image that most BYU fans want to portray as representative of a religious institution of higher learning.

But I also get sick of timeless tradition of blaming officiating for every loss.

And yes, I know the history of the PAC-12 officials that were reprimanded for not getting the ball set correctly in the Wisconsin-Arizona State game the week before.

As far as I could tell, they were perfect in that area — which meant what anger the home crowd had nothing to do with what they had so famously messed up the week previously.

Did I agree with all of the calls? No.

Do I ever? Not that I can remember.

But I also have never believed that an officiating crew is intentionally trying to give one team an advantage. I believe the referees are trying to do their job to the best of their abilities.

Good teams never leave the result in the hands of the officials. They go out and win no matter what calls the refs make or don't make.

I've seen far too many contests where the officiating got into the heads of the players and completely distracted them from what they should've been doing on the field.

Fans often fuel those flames because they don't actually have any on-field responsibilities. As observers, they get sucked into the frustration and the whining and all too often take the players with them.

How many times have you been in the stands and heard fans say "call it both ways!" or "it's about time you called that!" instead of encouraging their team to play at a higher level?

I don't recall a game where that hasn't happened.

But I completely agree with what a ref once told he said to a player who was complaining about the calls: "I'll call a perfect game as soon as you play a perfect game."

Not going to happen, folks.

So don't get too carried away and start acting silly. It's not worth it.

The passion of sports is an irresistible lure but, in the case of some of the Cougar fans Saturday night, it definitely lured them into doing something stupid and dangerous.


TOPICS: Religion; Sports
KEYWORDS: byu; football; lds; utah
Go to link to see 19-second clip of officials leaving the field being escorted by police with Mormon BYU fans throwing trash/? at officials and police.

From the commentary: Cougar supporters...were caught on camera peppering the officiating crew with trash and other items as the referees left the field...It's certainly not the image that most BYU fans want to portray as representative of a religious institution of higher learning.

1 posted on 09/26/2013 1:00:21 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

It looked like they may have been throwing paper airplanes at the refs. ??


2 posted on 09/26/2013 1:04:36 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: NEMDF

>>It looked like they may have been throwing paper airplanes at the refs. ??

NO...they’re Mormons! They were throwing glass bottles, scissors, puppies, and feces. It just looked like paper because they used their powers to change the video. </sarc>


3 posted on 09/26/2013 1:07:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Colofornian

Hey, I’m a bit disappointed that the Giants and Bucs are 0-3, but IT”S ONLY AN EFFING GAME, PEOPLE!


4 posted on 09/26/2013 1:08:46 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Bryanw92

+1 internet for anyone who mentions the Mountain Meadows massacre, next


5 posted on 09/26/2013 1:10:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: NEMDF; Bryanw92; All
It looked like they may have been throwing paper airplanes at the refs. ??

Yes, but I only saw one -- at the 16-second mark of the video.

That was when the refs were turning the corner.

At the 10 second mark when the refs were closest to the fans, somebody throws something from the left that goes straight down...doesn't float...one second later, same thing. Within 4 seconds, at least four things have rained down from the left...

And then the right side joins in.

6 posted on 09/26/2013 1:11:54 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

>>And then the right side joins in.

Oh, the humanity!

I guess I’m jaded. I live in the SEC where poor sportsmanship by the losing team’s fans is a little more common.

I’m just glad they didn’t use their secret Mormon powers. </sarc>


7 posted on 09/26/2013 1:17:56 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Colofornian

Colofornian ... Hey its my favorite Mormon Hater, long time no read!

Yes, Colofornian .... it just happens that you can find a few Mormons that act exactly like your kids!


8 posted on 09/26/2013 1:20:56 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: Bryanw92; teppe; All
I guess I’m jaded. I live in the SEC where poor sportsmanship by the losing team’s fans is a little more common

(Yeah, but unlike Mormons, SEC fans typically don't claim to be "gods in embryo"...)

9 posted on 09/26/2013 1:42:13 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Hey, in some places they decapitate the ref, quarter his body, and stick his head on a pole.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2013/07/06/soccer-referee-decapitated-brazil-stabbing-maranhao/2495199/

Apparently Brazilian Catholics play rougher than Utah Mormons.


10 posted on 09/26/2013 1:42:15 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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[But again, these aren’t pretended “gods in embryos”...When you set the bar rather high for yourselves...claiming to be THE same species as God is...that anthropology is the study of Mormon godhood...then don’t complain when somebody happens to point out that they don’t know of a given true “god” who acts in such a way]


11 posted on 09/26/2013 1:49:33 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I’m not a Mormon, and I’m not particularly fond of their religion, but I don’t think you’ve got a valid argument here.

AFAIK, Mormons don’t claim that during their lives here on earth they should be treated as embryonic gods. I’ve known and worked for and with several, and they’re pretty much like anybody else. The devout ones try to live up to a higher standard than the norm in America, if you consider that a negative. As with any other religion in America, many Mormons aren’t particularly devout.


12 posted on 09/26/2013 1:52:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Colofornian
somebody happens to point out that they don’t know of a given true “god” who acts in such a way

Actually, most gods behave a great deal worse. Review Greek, Norse, Indian and Egyptian mythologies, for example.

13 posted on 09/26/2013 1:54:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Colofornian

>>(Yeah, but unlike Mormons, SEC fans typically don’t claim to be “gods in embryo”...)

No, but in SEC country, there are a lot of Baptists/Methodists/etc who claim to be a “child of God” or a “disciple of Christ”. In fact, the Methodists claim to be working towards sanctification in this lifetime. Fortunately, as a “work in progress” we all need God’s grace each and every day.

What’s worse: claiming to be working toward sanctification or to be a “god in embryo”? Or claiming “once saved, always saved” as a Get Out of Hell Free card that can excuse any and all boorish behavior?


14 posted on 09/26/2013 1:57:27 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Sherman Logan
Actually, most gods behave a great deal worse. Review Greek, Norse, Indian and Egyptian mythologies, for example.

(That's why I qualified it...go back to post #11 where I said: ...they don’t know of a given TRUE “god” who acts in such a way]

15 posted on 09/26/2013 1:58:01 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Sherman Logan
...Mormons don’t claim that during their lives here on earth they should be treated as embryonic gods.

That may be true of many Mormons you know, but it's NOT SO of many of their leaders [I can pull out the quotes if you need them]...and every one of those Mormons you know have sustained several (if not all) of all of the Lds leaders I can quote who labeled to be "gods in embryos"...

When you sanction these leaders as God's very voice on earth, then don't try to separate where these Mormons see no separation.

16 posted on 09/26/2013 2:01:00 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Sherman Logan
The devout ones try to live up to a higher standard than the norm in America, if you consider that a negative.

Well, Jesus gave one compliment to the external behavior of the Pharisees...saying that unless a person's righteousness EXCEEDED their outward righteousness, they would in no ways inherit God's kingdom.

Yet Jesus also pinpointed their inward selpucre snake-like behavior in Matthew 23...calling them whitewashed tombstones.

Just because you & I might agree that the "devoutest" of the Pharisees attempted "to live up to a higher standard than the norm" in Israel...doesn't mean that I would hand such Pharisees "kudos" for being so outwardly righteous minus also mentioning their inwardly viper nature...ones who were like rotting corpses on the inside.

Sorry. But you get negative "points" for (a) compartmentalizing people according to mere outward behavior; and (b) showing poor discernment when it comes to touting legalistic behavior.

I just didn't know that you -- by extension -- was also a rah-rah cheerleader for the Pharisees.

17 posted on 09/26/2013 2:10:32 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
So I guess you reject Jesus because his apostles fought amongst themselves arguing over which one of them was the top dog? Only God is perfect, NONE of his followers, including YOU, are perfect. BTW, prove it was a Mormon who threw the heavy object. It was probably really you or a Baptist who did it trying to frame the Mormons.
18 posted on 09/26/2013 2:17:04 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Auntie Dem
BTW, prove it was a Mormon who threw the heavy object. It was probably really you or a Baptist who did it trying to frame the Mormons.

Oh sure...'twas those Baptists who paid $ to a cult school to first get into the game...and then went into a tizzy when their fave cult-team lost! That's the picture.

So I guess you reject Jesus because his apostles fought amongst themselves arguing over which one of them was the top dog? Only God is perfect...

I have an official Lds publication which they teach to their members...including younger members -- called Doctrine & Covenants Student Manual:

The Mormon church claims ONLY "those who keep ALL the commandments of the Lord..." will be "those who gain exaltation in the celestial kingdom..." (p. 164 of manual, with the version I have reapproved in 2000)

Per Mormon doctrine, if you don't live in the celestial kingdom, you won't live forever with Heavenly Father.

So it's not me claiming that perfectionism belongs to you, me, or Jesus' apostles...Rather, it's the Mormon church that does that.

So why don't you preach your "NONE of his followers" (is perfect) sermon to the Mormon leaders who claim that complete commandment-keeping is necessary to be reconciled to the Father.

19 posted on 09/26/2013 2:32:34 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Despicable behavior to the refs, but tame by comparison. Having had beer thrown on me at the Utah game by BYU haters spouting anti Mormon rants, (much like I see here from time to time), this seems pretty mild. Whatever gets your blood flowing.

And one caveat, 1.5 percent at BYU are not LDS, so while it's reasonable to assume they were Mormons, it's a very small chance they were not, or Utah fans staging a controversy. I doubt it, but you never know.

BYU Demographics

Students
BYU students come from all 50 states, the District of Columbia and 110 countries. Subsequent demographic figures represent all daytime students as of Fall semester 2012.

All Daytime Students Fall 2012
Students from the United States 94%
International Students 6%
All Daytime Students Fall 2012
Male 52%
Female 48%
Single 75%
Married 25%
LDS 98.5%
Non-LDS 1.5%
(Non-LDS students represent more than 25 faiths)

Student Ethnicity
As of Fall 2012, 14% of students are minorities
Asian/Pacific Islander 1,944
Hispanic 1,610
Black 254
American Indian
211

Other/Multiethnicity 488
(BYU is restricted from requiring students to provide information about race; these figures are voluntary.)

*Multiethnicity students do not show up in individual categories

Faculty, Staff & Administration
BYU full-time employees include approximately 1,500 faculty, 90 percent of whom are tenured or on tenure track, and approximately 2,500 administrative and staff personnel. Part-time employees include approximately 1300 faculty, administrative and staff personnel and 14,000 students.

20 posted on 09/26/2013 3:14:26 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: Ripliancum; Colofornian

while as you say 1.5% are not lds - they are bound by the same honor code/system as the lds. So when do the expulsions begin?


21 posted on 09/26/2013 3:29:58 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

I don’t believe throwing paper violates the honor code, but drinking and premarital sex do.

At the very least, I bet those jerks who did it, and have their faces plastered all over TV, have been talked to. Bad deal on a press that jumps on any bit of negative. Kind of like this thread.


22 posted on 09/26/2013 3:33:22 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: Colofornian
You have to be better than that. I got tossed from BC for beating the poop out of a protester during the days of rage ,during the Cambodia incursion, after I returned from Viet Nam.
23 posted on 09/26/2013 3:41:36 PM PDT by Little Bill (A)
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To: Ripliancum; Godzilla; All
Despicable behavior to the refs, but tame by comparison. Having had beer thrown on me at the Utah game by BYU haters...

The world behaves like the world; the 'Y' alleges itself to be THE ONLY true "Zion" within that world...Sorry, but when MOST worldly Western U.S. campuses "outclass" BYU's fan section...the true emerges: It, too, is "the world"...

24 posted on 09/26/2013 7:04:08 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Hey, maybe they were part of the Jim McMahon wing of trash tossers!


25 posted on 09/29/2013 12:44:15 AM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (Tea Party Anarchists? Freedom = Anarchy to communists.)
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