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This is why Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul are undercutting Ted Cruz
New York Times ^ | September 26, 2013 | Steve Beshear

Posted on 09/27/2013 5:36:05 AM PDT by PauldArco

So why then is Kentucky — more quickly than almost any other state — moving to implement the Affordable Care Act?

Because there’s a huge disconnect between the rank partisanship of national politics and the outlook of governors whose job it is to help beleaguered families, strengthen work forces, attract companies and create a balanced budget.

It’s no coincidence that numerous governors — not just Democrats like me but also Republicans like Jan Brewer of Arizona, John Kasich of Ohio and Rick Snyder of Michigan — see the Affordable Care Act not as a referendum on President Obama but as a tool for historic change.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul can't be bothered to take on their Dem governor - even as their state voted in the last election to overturn Obamacare. Can we expect them to do any better against this admin?

But now we see the source of the wrath against Ted Cruz. The Repub establishment hates a true conserative more than they dislike the Dems. I'm especially disappointed in Rand Paul... but I guess it doesn't take long for the D. C. mindset to take hold...

1 posted on 09/27/2013 5:36:05 AM PDT by PauldArco
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To: PauldArco; cotton1706
thanks, for the post. :-)

2 posted on 09/27/2013 5:39:31 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: PauldArco
.. as a tool for historic change.

downward

3 posted on 09/27/2013 5:40:02 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: PauldArco

The truth is that real conservatives are pissed! We have held our nose through two elections and had to pull the lever for a couple of losers who had no business representing American conservatism.

We are now AT WAR with the GOPe. We either will reform it, or we will decimate it and rhetorically burn it to the ground come 2014 elections. You GOP elitists should take note of this because you cannot get re-elected without us much less retain that power you so greedily cling to.


4 posted on 09/27/2013 5:40:55 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: PauldArco
Senators should theoretically be agents of their state government.

That noted, Rand Paul is unpredictable as to his position on many issues. This has been seen before.

However this part of 0bamaDontCare is a Santa Clause provision not necessarily a provision tied to the most reprehensible part - the individual mandate.

5 posted on 09/27/2013 5:42:34 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: PauldArco
It’s no coincidence that numerous governors — not just Democrats like me but also Republicans like Jan Brewer of Arizona, John Kasich of Ohio and Rick Snyder of Michigan — see the Affordable Care Act not as a referendum on President Obama but as a tool for historic change.

True. This has been a mostly free country for its entire history, with freedom steadily increasing until the last few years. ObamaCare is the key to changing that status and giving those in power greater control over the people they want to rule.

6 posted on 09/27/2013 5:43:26 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Gaffer

Choosing between food and medicine? I’ll settle for a tattoo.


7 posted on 09/27/2013 5:44:19 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: PauldArco

It is a questionable article by the Times. You are assuming that by having a car with transmission issues...that since you have some special card...you show up at Marty’s Transmission Shop....only to find that Marty has enough business and just won’t accept you....and neither will the next dozen transmission shops with twenty miles.

You might have a two-star health care policy in place and think you got the golden-goose...but if no one accepts it or you come to realize you got one-star care instead of two-star care...things go downhill quickly.

I’d be curious to hear Kentucky clinics comment on their future vision, profitability, and how they suspect business will got. It’s getting harder for retirees to find doctors for their medicare situations....with cost limits now a major factor of survival.


8 posted on 09/27/2013 5:44:37 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Snarky at best.....if I read you correctly, you are part of the problem.


9 posted on 09/27/2013 5:46:13 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Doogle; PauldArco
... as a tool for historic change.

Irretrievably downward to third world barbarism.

10 posted on 09/27/2013 5:46:52 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Gaffer

Interesting, this is one democrat who says the national politicians should listen to their constituents. Hum, I thought the national constituancy said they did not want ACA.

Of course the act as this clown sees it will provide critical health evaluations to those who cannot afford it now. What he does not say is at what cost and what is the affect on those who have decent health care THEY PAY FOR NOW.

Rush said it best when some clown called him long ago saying he felt we should have national health care. Rush asked why does he not just ask his neighbors to pay his health care costs. The caller said they won’t want to do that and Rush retorted and neither do I.


11 posted on 09/27/2013 5:47:47 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: PauldArco

Steve Beshear is a small man with a tiny brain. The fact that he is an ardent supporter of 0bama tells you all you need to know about him.


12 posted on 09/27/2013 5:47:58 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet
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To: PauldArco

I do NOT see a new Dr Ron Paul on the horizon; there are, however, plenty of lessers of evil out there...these may be said to even include Mr Putin...

;)

Semper watching!
Dick G
*****


13 posted on 09/27/2013 5:48:27 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Gaffer
Real Conservatives gave the GOPe control of The House in 2010 and helped maintain it in 2012.

The fact that the GOPe's strategery of electing more RINOs to also win control of The Senate and TOTUS failed, indicates that a new strategery is needed.

The power the GOPe has is the power of the purse in the House. They refuse to use it and want to provide voting cover to continue their strategery to win more political headcount power in the future.

I suggest that that ship sailed again out of the harbor in 2012 and promptly sank.

14 posted on 09/27/2013 5:49:10 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Gaffer

had to pull the lever for a couple of losers who had no business representing American conservatism.


And the sad point is that they didn’t fight back against O’s record, and the MSM.

If you are going to win, go for it, if you lose make your opponent fear to face you again.

That’s the part the last 2 nominees have missed.


15 posted on 09/27/2013 5:50:10 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: PauldArco

Something is very rotten in Kentucky.

Someone is buying off the politicians.

Obamacare is not going to help beleaguered families or the elderly. Obamacare takes from Medicare and expands Medicaid leaving the elderly with less care or delayed care, death panels and the like.

We will see if Rand Paul votes for cloture. If he doesn’t, his chance at the presidency will follow that of Rubio.


16 posted on 09/27/2013 5:50:52 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: PauldArco

NYT. Whatta surprise.


17 posted on 09/27/2013 5:51:48 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: PauldArco

STOP!!!!!!

do not read a NY Slimes article to get news.

don’t believe anything they publish.


18 posted on 09/27/2013 5:52:08 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: PauldArco
" For Kentucky as a whole, the negative impact is similar but larger — jacked-up costs, decreased worker productivity, lower quality of life, depressed school attendance and a poor image. The Affordable Care Act will address these weaknesses. "

Address?

What about fix? Uh, not so much, at all.

19 posted on 09/27/2013 5:52:32 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Paladin2

The power conservatives gave the GOPe in 2010 was misused by the GOPe powerati - the old line mega-term Republicans like Boehner.....should the Republican party keep the House in 2014, John Boehner will NOT be elected speaker again.

If you look at the young turks like Tom Graves, etc. they will not be deterred, nor will they play these silly appeasement games. I hope we give them more colleagues in the same vein come 2014.


20 posted on 09/27/2013 5:53:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Something tells me that the Republican leadership was neck deep in the IRS attacks on the Tea Party groups. Now that has been exposed and the Tea Party candidates are now taking leadership. The RNC is imploding andthe Rinos and Decepticons are known. Cruz did a huge service to this country. Conservatives should see the writing on the wall and start a new party. Let the GOP eat $hit$hitwith and Die.


21 posted on 09/27/2013 5:54:15 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: patriotspride

I”ve finally resigned myself to the fact that both of them never really wanted to win. They just wanted to look good while running.


22 posted on 09/27/2013 5:54:52 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Hostage
Dr. Paul is too much of a loose cannon to replace TOTUS.

Rubio already (cannon) shot off both feet.

23 posted on 09/27/2013 5:55:46 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

If you get a really nice one, you’ll get a free drink at any decent bar.


24 posted on 09/27/2013 5:55:50 AM PDT by svcw (obama lied my plan died)
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To: PauldArco

The McCornhole turd-le is up for re-election and has to walk the tight rope. Paul sees Cruz as the competition for 2016. It’s all about them and not the country.


25 posted on 09/27/2013 5:56:14 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: PauldArco
Last I checked Rand Paul supported Ted Cruz. He did say that the primary problem (with this issue) is too many Democrats rather than squishy RINOS which people, myself included, could argue about, regardless he has a point. Democrats stick together even when they know it's wrong. That is why they keep beating us. Then never compromise, never cave, never give in, and never become fractured. On the other side, the only time Republicans take the gloves off and fight like they really mean it is when they are fighting other Republicans. I'm not sure I approve of Rand's seeming effort to calm the waters in this particular case, but the Republican party needs to get it's act together. That could start by not saying that someone that supprts Cruz is undercutting him.

It would also be nice if the RNC grew a pair and started sanctioning "republicans" that vote as democrats.

26 posted on 09/27/2013 5:56:21 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: DeWalt

Good point.
The DC GOP and dems have one thing in common, they loath conservatives


27 posted on 09/27/2013 5:57:02 AM PDT by svcw (obama lied my plan died)
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To: DeWalt

You may have a point there. A letter from a Congressional Representative is taken seriously by any government agency, especially if it is with regard to investigating ‘ultra-conservatives’ that may be causing a particular Congressman or Senator problems.


28 posted on 09/27/2013 5:57:05 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I”ve finally resigned myself to the fact that both of them never really wanted to win. They just wanted to look good while running.


Agree.

It’s a shame Palin & Ryan were saddled with them.


29 posted on 09/27/2013 5:58:13 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: PauldArco

States who expand Medicaid to include those that are below the poverty level are being set up for a huge tab when the federal money tapers off leaving the state taxpayers to foot the bill.

It’s not enough they have to run the federal government into the dirt, they insist the states stay on a sinking ship. The water is fine they say.

Missouri hasn’t expanded Medicaid, so if you are below the poverty level, you’re not eligible for federal subsidies, you can’t join medicaid, you have no money for premiums or the co pay, but you will be penalized for not having insurance. (I think)


30 posted on 09/27/2013 5:58:16 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: PauldArco
Just another Democrap looking to increase the size of the breast that he nurses on from the taxpayers through his Coup associates in Washington!

How is it that a state with a long history of Democrap control is in so much financial trouble? And what will be your excuse when your Democrap colleagues bankrupts the coal industry?
31 posted on 09/27/2013 6:00:13 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: PauldArco

Ted Cruz is a monkey-wrench in the Republican machine and they don’t like it one bit.

He’s upsetting the apple cart they have spent decades balancing.


32 posted on 09/27/2013 6:03:11 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: PauldArco

The system is thoroughly corrupting. The reward for acquiesence is too great; and the temptation, overwhelming.


33 posted on 09/27/2013 6:03:16 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete

DC Borg? Resistance is futile. Cruz has managed it so far.


34 posted on 09/27/2013 6:05:41 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Gaffer
Senator Matt Blunt from Missouri is part of the GOPe and he is going to vote FOR cloture! I believe he is feeling the heat from fellow Missourians on his vote but he has cloaked his words carefully. Ba$tard.
35 posted on 09/27/2013 6:09:45 AM PDT by elephant
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To: PauldArco

Crap... I voted for this guy... TWICE!

Hey Steve?? Where does all that money that’s coming to Kentucky come from??? Oh, right.... from the people.

If we could grow the economy over the long term just with MORE government spending? No country, anywhere, would ever have a recession.

It’s folly... just MORE sucking at the Federal teet. JUST what Kentucky needs.. MORE, of what made this state a shithole to begin with.


36 posted on 09/27/2013 6:10:01 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in governm<p>ent.</i><p> If any were, business would hire them f)
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To: Gaffer

I would be curious to know what really took place behind closed doors and did Tom DeLay step on McCains toes?
Something tells me that the GOP has been orchestrating alot of this against the Tea Party conservatives.


37 posted on 09/27/2013 6:10:46 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: DeWalt
Conservatives should see the writing on the wall and start a new party. Let the GOP eat $hit$hitwith and Die.

NO NO NO!

You may be right about the first part... but, we're on the right track, TAKE OVER the Republican Party!

If we can't take over this silly Party, what chance do you think we'd have to take over the country? None, that's what. 3rd party = death... for decades.

38 posted on 09/27/2013 6:13:07 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in governm<p>ent.</i><p> If any were, business would hire them f)
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To: Gaffer

Bump!


39 posted on 09/27/2013 6:13:34 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Hostage
We will see if Rand Paul votes for cloture. If he doesn’t, his chance at the presidency will follow that of Rubio.

Absolutely! This is the way I see it as well as voting against cloture would show that Rand Paul speaks with forked tongue. I hope this isn't the case as there's a lot about the guy that I like.

40 posted on 09/27/2013 6:14:43 AM PDT by rochester_veteran (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Third party my arse. It would be second party. Have you not seen the last few days?


41 posted on 09/27/2013 6:15:20 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Mouton

Please don’t call it the ACA or Affordable Care Act, now that its evils are about to be openly exposed the Obama elites and media are trying to disconnect Barack’s name from it... just my opinion :)


42 posted on 09/27/2013 6:17:16 AM PDT by true believer forever (Give me this mountain, Lord.)
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To: PauldArco
KY governor Steve Beshear (D):

For the first time, we will make affordable health insurance available to every single citizen in the state. Right now, 640,000 people in Kentucky are uninsured. That’s almost one in six Kentuckians...Kentucky is the only Southern state both expanding Medicaid and operating a state-based exchange, and we remain on target to meet the Oct. 1 deadline to open Kynect with the support of a call center that is providing some 100 jobs. Having been the first state-based exchange to complete the readiness review with the United States Department of Health and Human Services, we hope to become the first one to be certified. Frankly, we can’t implement the Affordable Care Act fast enough.

As for naysayers, I’m offended by their partisan gamesmanship, as they continue to pour time, money and energy into overturning or defunding the Affordable Care Act. It’s shameful that these critics haven’t invested that same level of energy into trying to improve the health of our citizens.

Ping for later.

43 posted on 09/27/2013 6:23:10 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: listenhillary

Ted is great so far. There are a few. However, if you track the careers of once conservative politicians and look at them today, you will see my point.

Exhibit A: John Boehner. I lived in his district many years ago and he was an honest to God, right winger. Since then, re-election has done its magic. The deals have been made.


44 posted on 09/27/2013 6:24:46 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: PauldArco

I wonder if Davy Crockett would move from Texas back to Kentucky if he were alive today. I doubt it but I’ve met others here that might and they aren’t the types that will improve the economy there in Kentucky.


45 posted on 09/27/2013 6:31:39 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: lakecumberlandvet

He is also the RAT governor of Kentucky.


46 posted on 09/27/2013 6:32:08 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: Pollster1
This has been a mostly free country for its entire history, with freedom steadily increasing until the last few years.

I beg to differ. Freedom has steadily be DEcreasing over the past hundred years, starting with the passage of the 16th Amendment in 1913. It's just that the encroachments on our liberties have gone into turbo drive in the last few years.

Now, we really can't say that we are a free country at all anymore. From the time I was a kid in the 1950s, and even into the 1990s, if somebody told you not to do something you wanted to do, a typical response was: "Hey -- it's a free country."

When was the last time you heard somebody say that? And even if you did, didn't it ring hollow?

We are no longer the United States of America. Now we are the Benighted States of America, and every day the last few vestiges of liberty that we still see are disappearing every day.

47 posted on 09/27/2013 6:34:08 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Vaquero
STOP!!!!!! do not read a NY Slimes article to get news. don’t believe anything they publish.

This wasn't to get news. This is to suggest why the baffling opposition of McConnell and Paul to Ted Cruz's efforts... The D.C. crowd reads the MSM NYT, WP, etc. The Dem governor writes a high-profile Op Ed that will be read by all the D.C. elite... and apparently this is intimidating the KY senators from getting behind a real effort to repeal Obamacare. Do you have another reason why this is?

48 posted on 09/27/2013 6:35:58 AM PDT by PauldArco
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To: PauldArco
People, this is an article in the New York Slimes criticizing the two REPUBLICAN Senators from Kentucky, written by the RAT governor of Kentucky.
49 posted on 09/27/2013 6:37:09 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: PauldArco

If my history is correct, Ben Franklin was in London representing several American colonies as their agent. After the news arrived about the Boston Tea Party, he was called into the House of Commons, and scolded by one member after another, with no chance given to reply, sort of like what happens in Congressional committee hearings.

The game had been rigged, and the result was our war of independence.

The game has been rigged against us by the governing class, and I fear that they will keep winning, and as much as I hate to admit it, Frank Herbert may have been right when he wrote at the beginning of one of the chapters in “Chapterhouse Dune.”

“Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. This is the danger of entrenched bureaucracy to its subject population. Even the spoils systems are preferable because levels of tolerance are lower and the corrupt can be thrown out periodically. Entrenched bureaucracy seldom can be touched short of violence. Beware when Civil Service and Military join hands.”

I hope I’m wrong, because, historically speaking, civil wars and revolutions rarely end well.


50 posted on 09/27/2013 6:39:25 AM PDT by Daveinyork (IER)
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