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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 39 SEPTEMBER 27, 2013
Free Republic | Sept 27, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 09/27/2013 12:37:17 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Oh what a beautiful day here in Missouri. Moderate temps, sun shining, remaining plants are perking up due to rain several days this week.

The persimmons are starting to ripen found a couple to eat. They are so delicious, and sooooooo rich-a little goes a long way. I am still learning how to tell the ripe ones. I don't put them up yet, because even 1 unripe persimmon can ruin the whole batch.

I just enjoy them as a seasonal fruit to go with my morning meal. The critters get the rest. My pepper plants are full of green peppers, but I am just leaving them for now, and harvesting them as I need one. Once they turn red, though I pick them and bring them in and dry some of them for winter use.

As long as the weather holds, I'll leave them in the garden. When the first frost is predicted, I'll dig up some and put them in pots to grow this winter indoors. I think my peanuts are ready to harvest. I got a late start on those.

Hope you are all doing well. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 09/27/2013 12:37:17 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the list.


2 posted on 09/27/2013 12:41:33 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; Marcella

Good Afternoon. For those who plant by the moon’s phases, today and tomorrow are good for root bearing crops. I need to plant some more onions, and Daikon Minowase Radishes.

My grow light that is just like Marcella’s is supposed to arrive at Walmart today, so that should keep me entertained this weekend as I think of things to plant under it.


3 posted on 09/27/2013 12:45:27 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: greeneyes
it got down into the high 30's last night so garden is pretty well shot....

there's still a few tomatoes, and 2 zukes, and the squash, but the squash didn't get very big..not enough water?

I've planted elephant garlic and some regular garlic....the price around here is $9.99 a pound....sounds high to me but the bulbs were good size...

I've done some drying of parsley and peppers...put a bunch of anaheims and a few jalepenos in the freezer....and I've canned about 19 qts of tomatoes...

broke down and got a Mirror pressure canner, and for all reading this...the pressure knob does NOT jiggle, it spins and hisses...LOL...

I've planted 4 "heritage" raspberries...and I've ordered some flowers but they're not here yet and I hope I can get them in the ground...

garden was so-so this year....but there's always next year....

4 posted on 09/27/2013 12:48:39 PM PDT by cherry
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To: greeneyes

Thanks for the thread and ping. I just got cleaned up after picking around a bushel of green beans. Some Jade, French fillet, and Purple Queen pole beans, and some other kind of pole beans... the easy part done, now to the laborious task of snapping, cutting, washing, and canning...

I have nearly reached my wall in storing away food. It is really hard to even use my hands to describe it.


5 posted on 09/27/2013 12:52:32 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: greeneyes

6 posted on 09/27/2013 12:52:37 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: sockmonkey

I am ready to plant my garlic, but it hasn’t arrived yet. Sigh.


7 posted on 09/27/2013 12:53:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

8 posted on 09/27/2013 12:53:40 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: sockmonkey

Thank you for that info. I’ve got turnips & carrots to plant & been lollygaggin’.
Tomorrow is good!


9 posted on 09/27/2013 12:54:29 PM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Just mythoughts

10 posted on 09/27/2013 12:54:31 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: greeneyes
All the Fall seeds started on Sunday, the equinox. So far, broccoli is up. Fall tomatoes are still growing and blooming. It won't be long before I have tomatoes again.

I have upgraded my pyrolyzer to something larger, and now make charcoal about 2 gallons at a batch. Still running the bioreactor and making a new batch of compost tea every day.

Rain is forcast for this weekend, so that will help. My rain barrel is almost empty again.

/johnny

11 posted on 09/27/2013 12:55:20 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: sockmonkey

12 posted on 09/27/2013 12:55:45 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: greeneyes

Maybe I will grow yellow squash and change its name to squish in honor of our gutless wonders in DC. On second thought there is more honor and godly purpose in a humble yellow squash compared to the destructive 2 legged insects crawling all over DC.
In other news my little North Texas garden is making a little rebound after surviving the late summer scorch of heat. Rain is on the way so some good news in this post at least.


13 posted on 09/27/2013 12:57:03 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Red Badger

Just simply beautiful and I did not have to move a muscle. Thanks. I did not have much time for flowers this year and I do love flowers.


14 posted on 09/27/2013 12:58:27 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: greeneyes; cherry
I am ready to plant my garlic, but it hasn’t arrived yet

Can you share some garlic planting tips? It will be my first time and I will use a 5 gal. bucket or two. Is it better to buy the bulbs from a nursery or can you use store bought garlic and just plant the individual cloves?

15 posted on 09/27/2013 1:03:18 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: cherry

Yes, there is always next year. We are learning what we have the most success with, and which plants take the least effort in our area.

This year was our first for potatoes. That’s because we started with the stuff we like that is high priced. Potatoes are always very affordable, so we are just now getting around to them.

We only planted around 3 lbs, and got about 30 lbs of produce. The smaller ones we are going to try to use as seed potatoes next spring. There is a big difference between these potatoes and the store potatoes-they are very crisp.

I also like potato skins, but won’t eat the ones in the store, because I don’t know what kind of soil/pesticide contaminants they may have been grown in. So it’s a real treat to have these that we have grown.

Green beans have done well each year. Green peppers and tomatoes, Lettuce and spinach are all successes.

We’ll have all those next year. I am also going to have more containers than this year. I had almost none compared to previous years.


16 posted on 09/27/2013 1:05:11 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

I use store-bought. The reason they say not to is by suggestion that certain chemicals are used in store-bought that inhibit your crop production. Since you are peeling the individual cloves I would think that is hardly a consideration. The goal is to find nice big bulbs so that you can plant nice big cloves. The other reason they say not to buy store-bought is to make money!


17 posted on 09/27/2013 1:06:51 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: Just mythoughts

Yes, I have more desire to put up food, than my body can handle. Hubby helps, but I still would like to do so much more.

Course if I did, I’d have to build some more storage areas. My current shelves are very full.


18 posted on 09/27/2013 1:07:36 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Just mythoughts

;^)..........


19 posted on 09/27/2013 1:07:37 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: tflabo

My reminder to plant garlic is Halloween.


20 posted on 09/27/2013 1:07:46 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: greeneyes
Persimmons? They sound wonderful; I don't think I've ever had one.

We've had beautiful weather too. I wish it would last and last. Tomatoes are growing and growing, and our [busy] dog has been digging and digging, but most of the garden remains. Our walking onions are up and I've clipped off some of the green to eat. Is that a bad idea? Should all the green remain? Regardless, they are positively delicious.
21 posted on 09/27/2013 1:09:36 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Red Badger

Those are some really pretty nifty pictures. Thanks.


22 posted on 09/27/2013 1:10:27 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

We have a little in our barrels from the rains this week, but they are far from full.

You are very industrious with your soil improvement project.

Can you grow cocoa beans? I read that there as been a pretty wide spread crop failure, and the price of chocolate is predicted to rise.


23 posted on 09/27/2013 1:14:50 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

Rain is good news, especially for your area. Last year, when the drought finally ended, I really identified with that song, “Singing in the Rain”- What a glorious feeling I’m happy again. LOL


24 posted on 09/27/2013 1:17:41 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Yes, I have more desire to put up food, than my body can handle. Hubby helps, but I still would like to do so much more. Course if I did, I’d have to build some more storage areas. My current shelves are very full.

I generally keep track of my efforts. However, my left thumb and right shoulder have become so sore I can hardly use either from all the gardening/canning. I stopped counting the salsa count at 120 pints. Green beans canned count nearing 50, not counting what I just picked.

Old injuries are feeling the weather war of summer to autumn so I am beginning to 'feel' like a mama bear wanting to find a soft place to hibernate for a time.

25 posted on 09/27/2013 1:20:43 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: tflabo

I plant all my left over garlic from the store around Sept. October each year, and cover it with a row cover that lets in 80% or more sunlight and rain. Most of it grows fine that way(very slow during winter). I do cover it more when it gets to freezing, and take the cover off entirely when there is the occasional nice sun shiny day.

I usually plant them in the space where I grew my tomatoes. When they mature in May to 1st of June, I harvest them and plant bush beans in that space.

I also grow some garlic that I order for fall delivery. Garlic is pretty simple. Plant about 2” deep and 16 clove per sq. foot. My soil prep is a good dose of compost, and some bone meal (follow package directions)for the phosphorus.

I don’t grow a lot of garlic, since I have limited space, but it’s so easy, I have thought about growing it to sell.LOL


26 posted on 09/27/2013 1:39:20 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Just mythoughts

LOL. Hibernation sounds really good this time of the year, but after a few weeks of winter, cabin fever strikes and dreams of spring planting dance in my wee little brain.LOL


27 posted on 09/27/2013 1:44:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
No cocoa here, unfortunately. Even my experiments with coffee haven't been productive.

I'm going to work on the soil here until I die. It will be my legacy. One square yard at a time.

/johnny

28 posted on 09/27/2013 1:49:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: mlizzy

Walking onions: You said, “Should all the green remain?”

Unless there is a green, a new onion doesn’t grow. If you have gobs of greens, then it doesn’t matter to eat some, however, if you are just starting and have only a few greens, leave them to grow more onions.

I have ten of them up now and four have greens about six inches tall. I won’t touch the greens or eat any onions from that patch until next year when they have had a chance to “walk” and produce more onions.


29 posted on 09/27/2013 1:52:52 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

See how abitious you are: one sq yard at a time. Me, I work on 1/2 sq foot at a time every 2 - 4 weeks. If I exceed that, I have no energy for anything else.


30 posted on 09/27/2013 1:53:05 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Dang, I thought that Texans might be able to grow their own coffee beans and cocoa beans.


31 posted on 09/27/2013 1:54:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; All

JRF—We have rain coming this weekend also. This month I recorded our rainfall, it wasn’t too hard, it only rained 3 times but we had 11in at our place, Marcella hay have been a lot different being 9mi away. On one rainy day, I had 5in she had only about 1 1/2. Our local average for this area is 4.46 measured about 3mi from here.

ALL—I re-potted my ghost peppers last weekend and they are looking OK, but the existing peppers have not ripened, I guess they will. I dried and de-seeded my first batch of 14 and flaked them. Gunna have kids out at Christmas, SIL likes hot, so I am gunna fix him up, plus send him home with some seedlings.

The mater cuttings that we took a short time back were re-potted last weekend and the root systems looked good. The only problem is they are vine type heirlooms. I wonder if I can prune them regularly to contain them while indoors over the winter and still get maters from them.


32 posted on 09/27/2013 2:05:42 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Phil. 4:13)
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To: mlizzy

The wild ones we have are small, but a powerhouse in nutrition. It’s hard to describe their taste, it is good, but a little goes a long way.

When ripe they feel like a little bag of jelly. They have rather big seeds, which I have read can be roasted and used as a coffee substitute.

But man, if you get one that is not ripe. Oh wow! Talk about pucker power. The sourest dill pickle you ever ate, can not hold a candle to the pucker you get from an unripe persimmon.

It’s truly God’s gift-we didn’t plant the tree, it just sprang up and grew. It’s a native plant. It produces fruit year after year. We don’t mess with it at all. Afraid we’ll screw it up.LOL


33 posted on 09/27/2013 2:09:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; All

Thank you all for your garlic planting tips. A little more garlic in the diet is good for the lowering a bit of high BP. As for the breath—well, not so much.. (’


34 posted on 09/27/2013 2:23:58 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo

Lots of other health benefits from garlic too not just blood pressure, and it has anti bacterial properties.

It is also a component of home made bug spray. Kills within seconds.


35 posted on 09/27/2013 2:26:52 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

Excellent, thank you, that’s what I figured, but wasn’t sure; I was impatient, and snipped some. I’ll leave them alone now.


36 posted on 09/27/2013 2:29:43 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Red Badger

Thx, for the lovely rose. Sadly, the ones in my garden didn’t look that good..


37 posted on 09/27/2013 2:30:51 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: rightly_dividing

You could stick 2 or 3 poles in the pots, and let them grow up those and pinch back when they get to the top. I have done that with regular tomatoes grown in buckets on the patio, but they weren’t the vining types.

It might work. You can try it and see. I’d probably give it a whirl.


38 posted on 09/27/2013 2:34:10 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Excellent point— I too use a garlic/soap/hot pepper solution as a bug spray. Seems to help keep the ants away from the pepper blooms. Works on the lettuce leaves too—heck it seems like its a pre-picking marinade of sorts as a foliage spray. Not too heavy on the soap though....I’m also using blackboard white chalk powder on the bottom stems so the ants have a barrier they wont crossover and upwards.


39 posted on 09/27/2013 2:35:54 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: sockmonkey; JRandomFreeper; greeneyes; All
Sockmonkey, be gentle taking the long bulb out of the box. Don't let it hit anything - it is small around but long. The stand is easy to put together, no tools needed except a rubber hammer, but I used a folded washcloth and regular little hammer to get the metal pieces hammered where they needed to be.

Well, the "T" squash is a good six feet tall and growing out in the air now since it is taller than the plastic support. It has started dropping due to gravity and the longer it gets the more it's going to head straight down, so it will be hanging from the top of the support down to the ground if it doesn't stop growing before then. No sign of a blossom.

The baby T squash is a foot high now. It's in a pot and the vine will just have to grow on the deck instead of in the air since I don't have another one of those barrels with the stand in it.

Nine walking onions are up. The Sesame flowers, there are two in the big pot, now each have six pods growing and more are forming.

Bush beans are flowering, lettuce, cucumbers, broccoli, are growing in a long container, grow bag with baby carrots is growing. All these plants are too young yet for blossoms.

All the strawberries are alive and growing in those kind of flat pots I got for a bargain price.

I HAVE EIGHT TOMATO PLANTS AND NOT A SINGLE BLOSSOM - I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF!

I met an architect from a town just north of me and tomorrow, I'm going to see the house he built of his own design. This man has more talent than I have seen in one person. Name it and he does it.

He appears to have double green thumbs. A son of his in Galveston has a fig tree. Architect guy got a cutting of that fig tree. So, he did the root grow stuff and planted that "stick". However, a leaf fell off and he treated the leaf and planted it - that tree from that leaf is five feet tall! He spoke to an Ag guy and that man said he had never heard of that happening.

Architect guy also got seeds from A&M of the Jalapeno seed they developed which has barely any heat, and he has those growing.

This morning he sent me this link that someone sent him - it's titled "The Beauty of Pollination". Well, I couldn't get that link to paste. I'll try it on a separate post.

40 posted on 09/27/2013 2:36:26 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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People put links to Utube stuff on here all the time - are there some you aren't supposed to use?? This "The Beauty of Pollination". http://www.youtube-
41 posted on 09/27/2013 2:41:13 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: sockmonkey; JRandomFreeper; greeneyes; All

Well, the link won’t post. Search UTube for “The Beauty of Pollination”. It shows, in slow motion, all the insects who pollinate and shows them doing it and it’s set to music. It is quite beautiful.

I wonder if all of you know this: The food of Hummingbirds is insects. They only drink nectar for energy.


42 posted on 09/27/2013 2:44:28 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella

I see the Tromboncino Squash hasn’t gotten you yet. That’s good, and I hope your neck is all better.

I went to Walmart & picked up my grow light..That four foot long light is really long..

It went together easy as pie...well, easy as eating a pie, not making a pie. I used a deadhead rubber mallet, which was a really good investment for putting things together, and not dinging them up. I plugged in the lamp, and all systems are go.

Now, I have no idea what to plant, and stick under it, but it looks like I can plant a bunch of somethings that are yet to be determined.

Time to look through my seeds, and decide.Some toy choi, and I’m not sure what else.


43 posted on 09/27/2013 2:44:56 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: Marcella

Tomato blossoms. A little out of focus, but the pic is less than 5 minutes old. ;)

/johnny

44 posted on 09/27/2013 2:45:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella

Ok Marcella, before you do the dastardly unforgivable sin, try this on just one of your tomato plants. Add some bonemeal.

Flowering veggies need phosphorus to produce flowers. Bonemeal is an organic source. It is puzzling to me, because I know you bought good soil for the pots, so I would not have expected to do anything except add some compost when the fowers appear.

Still it is worth a try. When did you plant those tomatoes, and what type are they (mortgage lifter etc.)?


45 posted on 09/27/2013 2:47:33 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Would the Romas blossom faster than Mortgage Lifters?

If I can’t grow a freaking tomato, I’m a massive failure.


46 posted on 09/27/2013 2:48:19 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella
I HAVE EIGHT TOMATO PLANTS AND NOT A SINGLE BLOSSOM - I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF!

Are the 'maters getting too much nitrogen and not enough potassium/potash? Try a fertilizer feed 20-20-20 or similar. I had that problem last year and enriched the soil with coffee grinds, egg shells (calcium) and a deeper cultivation. You live in Texas too so maybe the heat has stunted the blooms too. Next year I'm going with cherry and Roma 'maters for an early yield until the Fall season round 2 for more. /johnny's compost tea/seaweed liquid/molasses mixture does wonders in the spring but the dang Texas heat stunts the growth of blooms bigtime in summer. So split into 2 seasons for them 'maters 'round these parts in Lone Star land.

47 posted on 09/27/2013 2:49:04 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Marcella
Don't know. I know Romas and not the others.

Are the tomatoes getting a LOT of sunlight? They are a full sun plant.

/johnny

48 posted on 09/27/2013 2:49:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella
Well, the "T" squash is a good six feet tall and growing out in the air now since it is taller than the plastic support.

My lemon boy tomato grew out of it's cage, so I took a bungee cord, and just hooked it around one of the branches of it, then hooked the other end to a T shaped post that's about six feet tall...It's grown past that, and is just about 8 or 9 feet tall, and still growing..

It doesn't have any tomatoes on it...Well, I haven't gotten on a ladder to check the part that's reaching for the sky.

49 posted on 09/27/2013 2:54:15 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: Marcella

Marcella, here’s a link that may help with your tomato questions.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8074162_tomato-plant-would-blossoms.html


50 posted on 09/27/2013 2:56:52 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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