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Star Trek illustrates perfectly: In the war between savages and civilized man... You know the rest.
Youtube ^ | 9/28/13 | Gene Roddenberry

Posted on 09/28/2013 7:36:55 PM PDT by HMS Surprise

The Star Trek episode Mirror Mirror illustrates the problem with cultures that solve their problems with violence... perfectly.


TOPICS: History; Religion; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: christian; civilized; islamism; sciencefiction; scifi; startrek
This is the world today in a 50 minutes, 30 seconds.
1 posted on 09/28/2013 7:36:55 PM PDT by HMS Surprise
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To: HMS Surprise
I have loved STAR TREK from the very first year, 1966 or so.

Probably always will. Geez, when I die I will MISS the future STAR TREK shows. Dang.

2 posted on 09/28/2013 7:39:25 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Borges; DollyCali; Perdogg

ping


3 posted on 09/28/2013 7:42:03 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: HMS Surprise

4 posted on 09/28/2013 7:46:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: HMS Surprise
What's interesting is that bearded Spock's logic "fits in" so easily in the evil universe as it does the good universe.

There is some fan fiction that takes this episode and extrapolates what happens when evil Spock "considers" Kirk's proposition, and acts on it.

Let's just say that it doesn't end well for bearded Spock.

The evil empire prevails.

This is one of my favorite episodes. But it also depresses me.

It's hard to think of Spock doing rotten things, but for "logical" reasons.

5 posted on 09/28/2013 7:47:28 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: HMS Surprise; GraceG
Death....Disease....Destruction Horror, That is war is councilman, that is what makes it a thing to be avoided.

You have made it neat and simple, so neat and simple, that you have had no reason to stop it.

And You've had it for 500 Years!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKmUd0zHW4w

6 posted on 09/28/2013 7:52:18 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: HMS Surprise

The unanswered question in that episode is “What would you do if you had a Tantalus field device?”


7 posted on 09/28/2013 8:03:48 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: EveningStar; Aevery_Freeman; ShadowAce; Jack Hydrazine; Altariel; nuancey; Thorliveshere; ...

Barbara Luna = hot.


8 posted on 09/28/2013 8:05:36 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: KC_Lion

That’s a good episode, gotta love General Order 24. I always liked the episodes where Scotty got to command.


9 posted on 09/28/2013 8:18:03 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: HMS Surprise
My favorite alternate Star Trek reality:


10 posted on 09/28/2013 8:19:03 PM PDT by FredZarguna (With bell, book, and candle, please.)
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To: HMS Surprise

BUMP for Morning Coffee. Goodnight! :)


11 posted on 09/28/2013 8:25:17 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: HMS Surprise
Uhura was good, but when she was bad, she was better.


12 posted on 09/28/2013 8:25:50 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: cloudmountain

I feel ya, cloud!


13 posted on 09/28/2013 8:47:03 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: FredZarguna

It also wins the award for most creative use of castoff props from a WW2 movie.


14 posted on 09/28/2013 8:51:45 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: HMS Surprise

The “Mirror, Mirror” episode always makes me ponder analogies to America, in which some strange point in time, the country I knew and loved disappeared in a wink, to be replaced by an ugly, vomitous, alternate-universe America, in which everything from values to morals has been turned totally upside-down.

And to add an even more depressing footnote, I didn’t even get a sexy Barbara Luna out of the deal.


15 posted on 09/28/2013 9:25:32 PM PDT by greene66
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To: HMS Surprise

How has this not been removed by YouTube?


16 posted on 09/28/2013 10:39:07 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: montag813

good question, I thought the CBS website was the only place to watch the full episodes.


17 posted on 09/28/2013 10:41:56 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Charles Martel
That’s a good episode, gotta love General Order 24. I always liked the episodes where Scotty got to command.

It also gave us one of Scotty's best-ever lines (in response to the weasely Ambassador):
"The best diplomat I know is a fully-activated phaser bank."

18 posted on 09/28/2013 10:42:05 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Perdogg
Barbara Luna = hot.

 

19 posted on 09/28/2013 10:45:03 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: KC_Lion; OneWingedShark; Perdogg

“subtly altered”

That was subtle??

lol


20 posted on 09/28/2013 11:10:21 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: HMS Surprise
“In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.”

The problem with this is that historically the civilized man is quite often in the wrong.

As our own history makes quite clear.

21 posted on 09/29/2013 12:29:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Sherman Logan

Wait ... Wut?

22 posted on 09/29/2013 12:41:25 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: HMS Surprise

Love the episode....loved even more the two part last season, ST Enterprise series “Through a Mirror, Darkly”.

especially loved the opening credits and the twisting of the Zephram Cochrane rearrangement of ‘first contact’, from the ST Movie of the same name....


23 posted on 09/29/2013 5:00:25 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: greene66

It’s a shift in consciousness. People used to be nice because they had self control and knew about evil. Now you cannot criticize, and if you do you are not considered loving or nice. They dont get it.

Also humanism is the new religion. People are against spanking or controlin our government, not because they are necessarily afraid or lazy, but because they want to enjoy this chaos, they do not want to be bothered into self control, only maybe forced to the random whims of a thug or master.


24 posted on 09/29/2013 5:21:13 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Vaquero
Love the episode....loved even more the two part last season, ST Enterprise series “Through a Mirror, Darkly”.

Yes, the scenes of the Defiant were very well done. Someone actually dove into the old Star Trek blueprints and found that there was a aft phaser array that had never been shown before. And I always thought the Tholians deserved a more thorough butt-kicking, so the episode was satisfying in that regard as well. However, Bakula's mirror-universe Captain Archer made me appreciate just how nuanced Shatner could be, despite all the criticism to the contrary.

25 posted on 09/29/2013 6:01:19 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: montag813

Around the same time Luna did the “Star Trek” episode, she was also in an “F.B.I.” episode, with her hair up and classily attired, really looking quite fetching.

I met her once, and I believe, like a lot of actors who guested in “Trek,” is somewhat bemused that out of a long career and HUNDREDS of tv roles, it’s this one singular appearance that everyone cites to her.


26 posted on 09/29/2013 6:39:17 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for the ping.


27 posted on 09/29/2013 6:45:13 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Politicians who fear the people seek to disarm them. - - Bill St. Clair)
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To: greene66

Given the premise of “Mirror, Mirror”, that alternate universe would be getting better.


28 posted on 09/29/2013 7:37:47 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

You would be the En-nessae


29 posted on 09/29/2013 7:51:47 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: montag813
Barbara Luna < Nichelle Nichols (WRT hot).
See post 12.
30 posted on 09/29/2013 10:54:42 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

of course I had to watch the whole episode and forget all about Freeping and then I turned off the computer because of the thunderstorms and went to bed.


31 posted on 09/29/2013 11:02:57 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: greene66

Roddenberry said he bedded all those actresses


32 posted on 09/29/2013 11:06:52 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
of course I had to watch the whole episode and forget all about Freeping and then I turned off the computer because of the thunderstorms and went to bed.

Understandable: there's some REALLY good stories in the original series: Balance of Terror, City on the Edge of Forever, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, Mirror, Mirror

33 posted on 09/29/2013 11:09:43 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Campion
It also wins the award for most creative use of castoff props from a WW2 movie.

You should watch the first season of Mission:Impossible on Netflix. That was also filmed at Desilu, and you will see the same supporting actors playing supporting roles in M:I, too. Even some of the same sets, if you look closely enough.

-PJ

34 posted on 09/29/2013 11:11:38 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; Campion

There was a short-run show where they used the same sets from Gilligan’s Island for a season or two!! I forget the name of it though.

Talk about recycling


35 posted on 09/29/2013 11:14:33 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Roddenberry was indeed the sleaze, and notoriously used his producer status for babes. But actresses who guested on “Trek” like Barbara Luna, or Madlyn Rhue, or Antoinette Bower, and such, had VERY busy and successful careers going on, and hardly needed to succumb to Roddenberry’s “casting-couch favors” for roles. Each would probably laugh in Roddenberry’s face, because they’d have a “Gunsmoke” or “Fugitive” or “Mission: Impossible” role lined up the very next week.


36 posted on 09/29/2013 1:05:14 PM PDT by greene66
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To: greene66

bump


37 posted on 09/29/2013 1:07:55 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: HMS Surprise
The Star Trek episode Mirror Mirror illustrates the problem with cultures that solve their problems with violence... perfectly.

I used to think that, but I have come to the conclusion that there are deeper issues of conflict than mere melanin content of the skin. I'm tired of trying to be altruistic when I/we do not get the same pass.

BTW, Whom Gods Destroy was my all time fave.

38 posted on 09/29/2013 1:17:34 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: HMS Surprise

I also have to say that the 4-Season “Enterprise
was the only spinoff that approached the original and surpassed it at times.


39 posted on 09/29/2013 1:20:15 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: HMS Surprise

This episode is scheduled on ME TV tonight.


40 posted on 10/26/2013 5:24:32 PM PDT by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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