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NBC Sports host Tony Makris kills elephant, said to be NRA activist. (vanity)
LA Times ^ | September 26, 2013 | Meredith Blake

Posted on 09/29/2013 9:03:46 AM PDT by Amagi

No LA Times excerpt. Just a link. --- I proudly hold NRA membership. I am not familiar with this NBC television show ("Under Wild Skies") nor its host, Tony Makris, who on the surface of it appears to have wantonly killed an elephant. Makris is said to be an NRA lobbyist and to have been instrumental in Charlton Heston's ascendancy in the NRA.

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Anyone familiar with the poaching of elephants in Africa will quite likely be taken aback with Makris' shooting incident.

Can anyone confirm or deny Makris' NRA credentials and the credibility of this report?

One of my liberal facebook friends, knowing that I am NRA and have also posted several articles in condemnation of elephant poaching, sent me a facedook "cause" to sign condemning Makris. Awkward, eh?

1 posted on 09/29/2013 9:03:46 AM PDT by Amagi
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To: Amagi

Anyone, even those seeking to discredit the NRA, can join the NRA, and even if he is an NRA member, he pulled the trigger not the NRA


2 posted on 09/29/2013 9:13:51 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Amagi

This story has been posted a couple of times on Democratic Underground...with the vast majority of the posters there wishing for the death of hunter for the “crime” of killing an elephant.


3 posted on 09/29/2013 9:17:22 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Amagi

So the guy says he is NRA, went to Africa to kill an elephant illegally and them back to the US and bragged about it......on the face of it sounds bogus.


4 posted on 09/29/2013 9:18:40 AM PDT by svcw (obama lied my plan died)
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To: Uncle Chip
Anyone, even those seeking to discredit the NRA, can join the NRA, and even if he is an NRA member, he pulled the trigger not the NRA

And in any case, shooting the elephant was perfectly legal.

What's the beef?

5 posted on 09/29/2013 9:19:09 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Amagi

Are you equating the Makris “shooting incident” with poaching?


6 posted on 09/29/2013 9:21:38 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Kip Russell

You mean “where’s the pachyderm bush meat?”


7 posted on 09/29/2013 9:21:56 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Kip Russell

I wonder if he drives a 1925 Rolls Royce.


8 posted on 09/29/2013 9:24:05 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: svcw
So the guy says he is NRA, went to Africa to kill an elephant illegally

Apparently he is (or at the very least, was) involved with the NRA:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1997-05-25/news/9705250353_1_celebrity-political-pancake-breakfast

went to Africa to kill an elephant illegally

No crime was committed, the hunt was perfectly legal.

and them back to the US and bragged about it......on the face of it sounds bogus.

He's a host on the NBC sports show, "Under Wild Skies", and he did an episode showing the hunt (which concluded with the popping of champagne). Some might characterize that as "bragging", I suppose. In any case...not bogus.

9 posted on 09/29/2013 9:26:21 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Amagi

ONLY SPECULATING HERE as I know nothing of Makris or of the incident you refer to. Could Makris indeed be a long time member, but only as a plant so as to discredit the NRA in a crucial moment?

Could the details in whatever report of the story be accurate? Is there more to the story that Makris “wantonly” killed an elephant? Was a human life threatened by the elephant? Are there more than one person in the NRA with the same name?

But yes, your situation is for the moment awkward until you can indeed find the truth of it. I hope you find the truth. I hope the details will absolve any wrong doing on the part of a high profile NRA member. I hope another FReeper can help you find those answers!


10 posted on 09/29/2013 9:26:28 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: agere_contra
I wonder if he drives a 1925 Rolls Royce.

Ha!

11 posted on 09/29/2013 9:27:20 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Amagi
Groucho Marx- One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas
12 posted on 09/29/2013 9:28:05 AM PDT by TaxPayer2000
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To: TEXOKIE
I hope the details will absolve any wrong doing on the part of a high profile NRA member.

Um...what "wrong doing"? He legally hunted a game animal.

13 posted on 09/29/2013 9:28:53 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: svcw

So the guy says he is NRA, went to Africa to kill an elephant illegally and them back to the US and bragged about it......on the face of it sounds bogus.

He’s damn lucky the incident reported didn’t involve any wood or the feds would be up his arse before he could say boo!


14 posted on 09/29/2013 9:29:52 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: agere_contra

With the exception of a couple of comments by the same person after the article, anyone who hunts (regardless of the reason) will burn in hell. Call us after that deer or elk or moose or bear comes through your windshield. (Hopefully not through the windsheild of the ‘25 Rolls.:>)


15 posted on 09/29/2013 9:29:57 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Amagi

Wasn’t there a city councilman or mayor in California that was run out of office for a perfectly legal cougar hunt/kill in Colorado?

Sounds like the same thing being attempted here


16 posted on 09/29/2013 9:32:23 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: PowderMonkey

Amagi seems to post these kinds of things


17 posted on 09/29/2013 9:33:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Amagi
The NBC sports network being discussed shows a lot of hunting and fishing programs, including African safaris taking elephant, big cats and buffalo.
Go to the comments on the article and read the one by Boggman - he covers the Botswana elephant situation accurately, meaning there are too many of those beasts for the habitat to carry. It's not like the game wardens can dart one and relocate it to a hippie's back yard.
18 posted on 09/29/2013 9:33:43 AM PDT by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: Kip Russell

Having spent a fair amount of time in the African bush, I gotta say that hunting an elephant would be about as challenging as hunting a house. What’s the point?

Hunting for meat would be one thing. Culling an overpopulated herd is a job that needs to be done. But hunting an elephant for sport is like hailing a taxi in Manhattan. Expensive, but not very difficult.


19 posted on 09/29/2013 9:34:19 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Amagi

What a he-man.

</sarc>


20 posted on 09/29/2013 9:36:52 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Amagi
a little investigation would have proved it was a LEGAL hunt/shoot with the meat going the feed africans and a VERY hefty fee paid for the shoot as well... feh
21 posted on 09/29/2013 9:42:37 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Amagi

Makris owned an advertising firm that was making millions off of the NRA running up to, during, and after the NRA civil war twixt the Wayne LaPierre faction who picked Chuck (Moses) Heston to be their front man....and the Neal Knox HardCorps insurgency.

Here is a link to a resignation letter of the time that details Makris and his firm’s involvement in NRA from an opposition leader.

http://www.alphadogweb.com/firearms/nra_board_director_russ_howard.htm

I always thought of Makris as of the same school as Tom Delay....brutal take no prisoner attack ads, demonization of opposition, etc. Except Makris’ sights were usually locked on the NRA insurgency rather than the anti-gunners.

His positioning of the NRA with Heston as it’s face were more steps in the NRA becoming the true sophisticated powerhouse it is now....as opposed to the smoking jacket gun club crew it was before.

Ironically, the first steps were Neal Knox and Harlan Carter’s Cincinnati Reforms of 1977 and then the founding of the ILA....of which Knox was the first ED.

As to the whining libs....they were probably munching on a MickyDee’s bacon cheese burgers while pontificating about a legally bagged elephant.


22 posted on 09/29/2013 9:43:17 AM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: Amagi

Makris is a PR guy.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1997-05-25/news/9705250353_1_celebrity-political-pancake-breakfast


23 posted on 09/29/2013 9:45:52 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Kip Russell

Excatly he did nothing illegal


24 posted on 09/29/2013 9:48:02 AM PDT by svcw (obama lied my plan died)
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To: Amagi

I have been a Life Member of the NRA since 1986 and I’ve never shot an elephant. In fact I haven’t been hunting for anything since 1993. The last two times I went hunting was with an archery license. The NRA does not pre-screen its members. Like the Sierra Club you send them some cashola and you’re a member.


25 posted on 09/29/2013 9:51:16 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Domandred
Wasn’t there a city councilman or mayor in California that was run out of office for a perfectly legal cougar hunt/kill in Colorado?

He was the California game commissioner, and he (legally) hunted a cougar in Idaho...and lost his job as a result. Politically correct idiocy of the highest order.

26 posted on 09/29/2013 10:01:35 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell; Amagi

I wasn’t ever saying there was any wrong doing.

If you read my post, you will see I sought to make it clear that I have not been following this issue at all and I was going on only what was alleged by the liberal friend of Amagi. I specifically questioned if the report was wrong, if there were more details not being reported.

I’m glad to hear from you that you have evidence that there was more to the story, that Makris did not poach - hence, Amagi does not need to condemn Makris at the behest of his liberal friend. I did suspect that that was the case, but did not know that. I also do not have time to research this myself.

Was simply offering my two cents as a means to think through the problem which Amagi posed.

I wish you well.


27 posted on 09/29/2013 10:01:48 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Amagi

Propaganda....


28 posted on 09/29/2013 10:10:56 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kip Russell

I am a long time NRA member and not a hunter and have no desire to hunt, but if you watch the interview you will see that Tony Makris defends and explains his position, which I agree with.

However media matters and the rest of the Obama media does not want you to see this video interview.

http://www.nranews.com/cam/video/under-wild-skies-host-defends-hunt


29 posted on 09/29/2013 10:12:34 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Amagi

Turn breeding elephants loose in California, and pass a law for life imprisonment for anyone harming or harassing any elephant in any way. That will eventually solve the animal worship problem.


30 posted on 09/29/2013 10:15:23 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Amagi

I once visited an American who owned a million acre ranch in Kenya. He had his own private group of anti-poaching game wardens. As a result, his elephant and rhino populations had grown too large for the range to support.

He offered the surplus animals to the Kenya Wildlife department which replied, “We could not keep them safe from poachers, you keep them.”

At some point, most well managed herds need thinning. Even Bambi-loving suburbanites are now becoming concerned about the damage done to expensive landscaping by browsing deer.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/ctguide07.pdf
New York State
Department of Environmental Conservation
A Citizen’s Guide to the
Management of White-tailed Deer
in Urban and Suburban New York

http://www.wwlp.com/news/local/hampshire/should-moose-hunting-come-to-massachusetts
“Just Thursday morning, a roaming moose was spotted in a residential neighborhood of Southampton, and in New Britain, Connecticut, environmental police had to shoot and kill a moose that they say was about to cross a busy highway.”


31 posted on 09/29/2013 10:18:57 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: svcw
Excatly he did nothing illegal

That matters not, to most everyone. People tend to follow their moral compass regardless of law. And opinions follow like drunken dwarves.

In my personal opinion, for whatever the hell that's worth, shooting an elephant is like going into a pasture and shooting a cow. What on earth would possess you to do such a thing ?

And yeah, I hunt.

32 posted on 09/29/2013 11:07:10 AM PDT by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe (yup, I belong))
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To: Amagi

Your friend is just another over excitable “useful” person for the left that is all. Legal hunt, taken ethically and best of all that makes hunters morally superior to anti-hunters that hunters and hunting ensure a future for elephants. Anti-hunting is just another cult that takes impressionable people and abuses their emotions, totally unethical and immoral.


33 posted on 09/29/2013 12:53:34 PM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Amagi
Elephants can be legally hunted in certain African nations. Their listing on the endangered species list is “vulnerable” due to poaching. Like many animals certain herds have to be thinned. Governments do this by issuing permits to game hunters...at a price!!!
34 posted on 09/29/2013 1:57:16 PM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Amagi
This whole discussion is really sad. I grew up with “The Lone Star sportsman” AKA Jim Thomas and was treated to safaris and all kinds of sports hunting every week. Animals were put on this earth for the betterment of mankind. hunting of animals is one of the oldest of activities. The only thing we should do is be good stewards of them!!
35 posted on 09/29/2013 2:06:25 PM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Haiku Guy

I’ve been to the African bush myself a couple of times. I’ve encountered the beasts in Rhodesia and Zambia, and seeing them en famille, it’d be like shooting your neighbor’s BIG dog. I realize that the herds must be culled but there’s no way I could do it. Forty some years later I STILL feel guilty for buying an elephant skin wallet on Tu Do street in Saigon.


36 posted on 09/29/2013 2:32:46 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Uncle Chip
Michael Moore is a member of the NRA. He joined SPECIFICALLY to show how "easy it is" to join, plus now he gets to criticize from "the inside".

See Bowling for Colombine.

He uses his NRA "street cred" to get access to a feeble Charlton Heston and makes fun of him.

37 posted on 09/29/2013 6:33:03 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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