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Gallup: At Least 25% of Uninsured Americans Say They Will Stay That Way (under Obamacare)
Cybercast News Service ^ | September 30, 2013 - 7:40 AM | Susan Jones

Posted on 09/30/2013 2:38:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Twenty-five percent of uninsured Americans say they will pay a fine rather than purchase health insurance in 2014, according to a newly released Gallup Poll.

Another 65 percent said they are more likely to purchase health insurance than pay a fine. Under Obamacare, people may sign up for insurance on one of the new exchanges; or they may get coverage through their employer, from Medicaid or Medicare, or by purchasing a plan outside the exchanges. …

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; abortion; deathpanels; obamacare; uninsured; zerocare

1 posted on 09/30/2013 2:38:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder how many of those 65% planning to buy insurance actually know what it will cost?


2 posted on 09/30/2013 2:40:38 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Olog-hai

“I will not comply”


3 posted on 09/30/2013 2:41:05 PM PDT by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: Olog-hai
I've got a sense of right and wrong.

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4 posted on 09/30/2013 2:41:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

I bet there will be more than 25%. The same irresponsible crowd will still show up at the ER and get their free healthcare. Obamacare was designed to help just a few, the politicians extorting votes.


5 posted on 09/30/2013 2:41:59 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Olog-hai

The ones that sign up won’t pay and soon no one is filing taxes.
Obamacare will be like education - a big sham.


6 posted on 09/30/2013 2:44:47 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Olog-hai

RE: At Least 25% of Uninsured Americans Say They Will Stay That Way (under Obamacare)

What if most of them don’t pay the Roberts Tax ( or as it was once called, a fine )?

Does the IRS have the resources to go after millions of them?


7 posted on 09/30/2013 2:45:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: griswold3

That is why it is connected to the IRS. You end up with an IRS bill for not getting it and they will go to bank accounts and property to seize fines.
Time to convert to Islam to become exempt... Crazy evil world IMO.


8 posted on 09/30/2013 2:46:27 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: justlurking
I I didn't have a house, and shop and a couple of cars and few bucks in my 401..few.....than I would do the same...

if I didn't have assets, and I was pretty healthy, I 'd take a shot at foregoing it....afterall, what'll they gonna do?...take blood from a turnup....

you can bet the inner city and illegals won't pay a cent more and they'll get the best my tax dollars can pay for...

9 posted on 09/30/2013 2:51:14 PM PDT by cherry (.)
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To: cherry

All the IRS can do if you don’t pay the fine is withhold it from your income tax return if you are getting a refund


10 posted on 09/30/2013 2:55:29 PM PDT by ground_fog
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To: cherry

how about those peeps whose annual salary is less than 24K?? How are they able to afford an average of $320 per month?


11 posted on 09/30/2013 2:56:33 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: justlurking

That’s the question. They say they’ll “probably” buy insurance. Most of these people probably think it’s going to be free or cost very little. When they find out the truth everyone of them will change their minds.


12 posted on 09/30/2013 2:56:34 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Olog-hai

Leading a horse to water does not assure it will drink.

The horse has to have come compelling reason to drink, say, like it’s thirsty?

Grabbing a hose, jamming it down the horse’s throat, and turning on the water full force may get water into the horse, but the collateral damage may not be rationalized.

The horse may very well resist. Even if the “delivery system”, i.e., the hose down the throat, is successfully put in place, the potential for great mischief remains. No way of telling how much water is actually delivered, or if it meets any real need on the part of the horse. The horse may regurgitate the water, draining into its lungs, drowning it, or its internal organs may burst, causing internal ruptures and death by internal bleeding.

Do not start vast projects with half-vast ideas.


13 posted on 09/30/2013 2:57:38 PM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: ground_fog

You are correct. Yet many here don’t know that.


14 posted on 09/30/2013 2:57:57 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: cherry
If I didn't have a house, .......

Actually I believe that the IRS can withhold the Roberts Tax from you tax refund but that is their only recourse, no liens or the like.

15 posted on 09/30/2013 2:59:05 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The Presidency is broken.)
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To: max americana

So will the subsidies be designed to only cover the premiums of the cheapest plans ?


16 posted on 09/30/2013 3:04:03 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: Mike Darancette

That has always been my thought that obamacare has been about keeping the earned income credit money


17 posted on 09/30/2013 3:05:30 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: A CA Guy
That is why it is connected to the IRS. You end up with an IRS bill for not getting it and they will go to bank accounts and property to seize fines.

The IRS is prohibited from their usual Stasi tactics for non-payment of taxes. It's in the law:

What would happen if people just refused to buy health insurance even if a law ordered them to?

In the Slate article, they cite the law:

In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.

And further:

[The Health and Human Services secretary] shall not file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty … or levy on any such property with respect to such failure.

I think the only way that people will have to pay the penalty is if they file for a tax refund. The penalty will be deducted from that. But, you can easily adjust your withholding so you never have a refund.

18 posted on 09/30/2013 3:10:00 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: max americana
How are they able to afford an average of $320 per month?

If that is for a family, they likely would be on medicaid

19 posted on 09/30/2013 3:14:20 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: Mike Darancette
Actually I believe that the IRS can withhold the Roberts Tax from you tax refund but that is their only recourse, no liens or the like

No liens or the like yet.

20 posted on 09/30/2013 3:45:25 PM PDT by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: Olog-hai

Obaba, Reid & Pelosi shoved this bill thru Congress without Republican votes.

Then Roberts declared it law in the Supreme Court & called it a tax.

IF this law (tax) is to apply to everyone, then there can be NO exemptions—no people who get to do as they wish on their own.

That includes all the many companies that Obama- by himself- has declared exempt. He should have no such authority.

That includes ALL of Congress & all of Federal employees.

Either it applies to all or it applies to none.

There can be no CHERRY picking of participants.

Telling those of us who earn very little that we can qualify for tax credits is another dodge-—

I don’t earn enough money to even have to file a tax return.

WHAT TAX CREDITS!!!!???

This pack of lies & burdensome rules has to come to a complete halt.

There was nothing wrong with the health care this country had before Obama came on the scene with his controlling attitude.

Obama is plain out & out NATIONALIZING the health system of the USA.

How come no one wants to use those words???

The main groups who were abusing the emergency rooms are the illegals & the gang members who are here because Pelosi, Reid & Obama didn’t close our borders & because the Just Us department won’t go after the gangs.

Another tidbit of information no one wants to say out loud.


21 posted on 09/30/2013 3:46:02 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: max americana

There’s going to be a substantial subsidy for the low-wage worker. I wrote my congresscritter about defunding it & his response that there is a built-in subsidy at 4 times the poverty level, which I think is $44k. All these folks will get Obamacare for free or very nearly so, care of the hard work of others.


22 posted on 09/30/2013 3:48:13 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: A CA Guy

Doing my best to think outside of the box, here.

We can sell our houses and rent, not keep money in the banks, make sure we do not have “tax” refunds.

We can even go so far as to wear funny clothing, and teach our children in community schools, declaring ourselves converts to the Amish way of life.

Granted the last is a bit hyperbolic, but creative thinking is the best way to revolt, while remaining lawful.

Those of us who see what is happening can consider it a training period, because the entire house of fiat is going to be falling down, and we will eventually be living that way anyhow.


23 posted on 09/30/2013 3:51:42 PM PDT by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own." — Ma)
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To: justlurking

So you trust that an IRS who just fixed an election by harassing Tea Party groups, will not go after these Tax Felons eventually ?


24 posted on 09/30/2013 4:01:57 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The username is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Olog-hai

It may create an underground economy for certain.


25 posted on 09/30/2013 4:20:36 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: justlurking

I wonder how many of those 65% planning to buy insurance actually know what it will cost?”

Only what they are told - that it will cost less than their cell phone bill. What they don’t think about on their own is that they are going to have deductibles and co-pays.

Cell phone bills can be pretty inexpensive, particularly if you just want to use them for an occasional emergency phone. Insurance can also be pretty inexpensive, particularly if you don’t ever plan on seeing a doctor, buying meds or going to the hospital.


26 posted on 09/30/2013 4:38:01 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: justa-hairyape
So you trust that an IRS who just fixed an election by harassing Tea Party groups, will not go after these Tax Felons eventually ?

I just cited the law.

Do you really think the IRS won't follow a law written exclusively by Democrats?

27 posted on 09/30/2013 4:47:49 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Grams A
Only what they are told - that it will cost less than their cell phone bill. What they don’t think about on their own is that they are going to have deductibles and co-pays.

Yup, they are going to find quickly that even if insurance is available at that price (maybe for a young single person), the out-of-pocket expenses will be significant before it starts to pay any benefits.

This is why I think the Republicans are fumbling away this issue by trying to "compromise". They should just let it take effect, and then campaign loudly for the next 12 months: we tried to warn you, and we tried to prevent it. You want to do something about it? Vote for us in November.

28 posted on 09/30/2013 4:51:04 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking

The IRS now has a history of breaking laws. Just ask Lois Lerner.


29 posted on 09/30/2013 4:58:28 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The username is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Olog-hai

Nobody will “buy” insurance. There will be millions however who will get insurance and you and I will ay for it while paying increasing premiums and receiving less care and more government intrusion.


30 posted on 09/30/2013 5:05:39 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: justlurking

So much for the prohibited tactics.

http://www.infowars.com/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-bank-accounts/


31 posted on 10/03/2013 1:23:32 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
From Alex Jones and Infowars? Seriously?

Next, you'll be quoting Art Bell.

32 posted on 10/03/2013 4:21:10 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking
I know what you are saying, but it makes sense that knowing Obama, part of the additional thousands of Obama law additions probably included authority and behavior corrections for grabbing the fine money.

No way I believe the Government is going to say, “OK, you don't want to pay, that's fine.”

33 posted on 10/03/2013 9:33:17 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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