Skip to comments.Los Rojos Drop four straight to the Pittsburgh Pirates to End Season (Vanity)
Posted on 10/02/2013 7:21:22 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
Sorry for the vanity, but I couldn't resist. When the Cincinnati Reds took the field for their final three game series of the season with our Pittsburgh Pirates on Friday, I noticed they were wearing their "Los Rojos" jerseys.
"WTF is up with that?", I asked my wife. I'd never seen them before. Or at least never noticed them before.
Is this something to force Spanish on the country as a co-equal or superior national tongue? In Ohio? My wife, sweet person that she is, at first tried to ignore me. Just let me enjoy the game, she said.
But I was worked up. "No," said I, "if they are going to engage in PC histrionics, then I'm going to put an Ancient Native American curse on them, so they don't win another game."
Said she, "You realize that they've been having trouble with Cincinnati all year when they are playing there and the only game that counts in the wild card play-off on October 1."
Says I, "I'm going to go get on my gear and put a curse on them, so they don't win another ballgame this year."
Says she, "You are going to make a fool of yourself because as much as I love the Pirates, they aren't going to win three straight in Cincinnati."
Not to be discouraged, I stripped down to a breech cloth and headdress, painted my face and body, and proceeded to put on the curse as best as I could remember from my last visit to the rez.
MLB has been pushing this “Hispanic Heritage” crap on us for several years now. The Pirates also had a Spanish jersey which read “Piratas”. I recall once a player wore one by accident during a non-Hispanic Heritage game. The umpire caught him in the 3rd. inning and set him off to change.
Ask any grocery clerk in San Antonio just trying to get along and earn a little money for school.
I’m curious now, I’ll ask around and see if it’s anything like what the pathetic NFL is doing with their Mexicano
GO HAWKS :)
My Reds blew it again yesterday.
But let me say this, I despise this current playoff system.
There’s no way that a 3rd place team should be in the playoffs. And that’s merely 3rd place in their division, for, if going by winning percentage, they were 5th place in the league.
I grew up in the sixties, and in those stellar years of baseball, you either won the league or you didn’t.
That’s why the season was so important.
If being 3rd best in a 5 team division is good, then what do we call 3rd worst in a 5 team division?
Think of all the money wasted on throw back and alternative jerseys that are worn one time. Amazing, they then have the gall to make psa’s asking for our money for charities.
I am really getting to hate the non-English banners that rotate behind home plate when you are watching on tv.
So we can start calling the Redskins “Pieles Rojas”?
I’d refuse to wear the Spanish uniforms. Notice that the Yankees don’t do it. (They didn’t make the playoffs this year, but have 40 pennants and 27 World Championships. They’re doing something right.)
No hablo Espanol — by choice.
I don’t mind much. The El Tigres play a game once per year and I also love the negro league uniforms.
Tigers dropped their last 3 games too.
Would they become the New York Gringos if they did?
Los Yanquis de Nueva York.
Maybe the San Diego Padres could become the Saint James Fathers for a day?
I hear you, I tend to be a purist myself, but I certainly understand what happens if all but 4 teams are out of post-season contention before August....It’s all about money and keeping interest....Baseball could afford that in the days before pro football took over the top spot on the sporting landscape.
If you’re a Pirate fan, and old, you don’t use an Indian curse, you use the Green Weenie.
PS: When do we get a Gaelic Heritage Month? Or is that supposed to be covered by Halloween (aka Samhain) and/or St. Paddy's Day?
In the American League, the system brought several teams into the mix leading to a one game match up to decide the second wild card. It saw a team win out the last ten games of it's season. It saw the Drama of several teams in extended winning streaks and made the end of the season interesting instead of just a wind down to the excitement of the playoffs.
I think the league would be well served to return to a 154 game schedule and expand the playoffs. They could eliminate or greatly curtail the abomination that is inter league play and have a wild card play off of best of 3 series, a division series best of five, an LCS of best of seven and a World Series best of 9.
They had a best of nine World Series in the past and the expanded interest in a two team Wild Card as well as four more post season games would increase TV add revenue far greater than the gate receipts of the seven regularly scheduled games.
Hell to the yeah. Good job.
Futbol Americano! /spit
You can’t argue with the Indian curse given the results.
What the Yankees do right is to be located in New York and have the deep pockets to outspend every team in baseball. They don’t have to worry about developing talent, they simply buy up talent that other teams develop. They even had the common sense to have their owner die when he could avoid inheritance taxes. As much as I hate the Federal Government and the unfairness of the inheritance tax, I hate the Yankees almost as much.
The league should push HARD for complete revenue sharing, JUST LIKE THE NFL. That is why the NFL is so popular. Any team can compete and every team makes real money. They should also push for a hard salary cap and even more importantly a hard salary basement.
I’d prefer each league add a team for a total of 16 and have 4 divisions per league and one champion per division.
You could at least then argue about the strength of this division versus that division.
Otherwise, why play all those games??? 162 games is more than enough time for any unfortunate team to find itself and makes its way to the top....if they are the top team.
Then your tournament is a tournament of champions.
I’d far rather watch that.
Complete revenue sharing would be a socialistic joke. And a hard salary cap would never get accepted. The MLBPA won't accept a salary floor either (although, given that there is a minimum salary for players, there is a de facto salary floor -- the minimum salary times 25 (season roster) or times 40 (full roster), depending on how you want to calculate it. What makes baseball finances unlike other sports is the farm system. The big-league club is paying the salaries and other expenses of those players. (The minor-league club pays for things like travel, the facility, and the like.) That's an expense that isn't counted in payroll calculations. That's why you can't just take all the revenues and divide them into 30 pieces. Now, visiting clubs used to get a share of the gate receipts and they should go back to that. Maybe the league gets a percentage of TV and radio money, too. But full-out revenue sharing like the NFL (which is NOT the reason for its popularity) would be bad for baseball.
BTW, I'd take another look at the Sports Broadcasting Act.
I agree with you about the playoff system, and I’m afraid that down the road it will just get worse. Eventually, they’re adding two teams (and most likely going to four divisions in each league) — at which point, I expect them to adopt the NFL system — the two lowest-seeded division winners against the two wild cards, with the two highest-seeded division winners waiting for them.
Wild cards damage pennant races, as Whitey Herzog, Bob Costas, and others have pointed out. In 1996, the Dodgers and Padres came down to the last day tied for the NL West lead. They both played their games like exhibition games because the “loser” had locked up the wild card.
That’s what the second wild card is intended to stop. It’s designed to create a strong disincentive to settle for teh wild card and keep everyone fighting for the division title as long as possible. That’s a good idea, but it merely papers over the real problem. The real problem is that we let non-winners into the playoffs. Take the Marlins, for example — two World Championships, nary a division title to their names.
Well, I wouldn’t hold my breath. But it would be nice, wouldn’t it?
Geez, they could at least get the Spanish right: Los Toros.
Of course many teams have Spanish language broadcasts of their games (el juego de las medias rojas de Boston esta...) and I think one station in LA does 'em in Korean, right?
They're appealing to the hispanic audience in this way (much like they may have kids' events, gay-friendly events, etc.---or "it's Vermont Day at Fenway Park".
But I know what you mean.
One time ESPN Sunday Night Baseball was at Wrigley and there was a malfunction that made it impossible for the Eng language broadcasters to be heard so they put the Spanish language ones on, for the time being, en ingles.
Certainly a lot of players are hispanic. And we know for years blacks were excluded, but now many are huge successes ("get those n-----s off the field" was said by one club owner during tryouts--back then...)
I entirely agree with you. Some folks in MLB, however, think there aren’t any cities out there that could support a baseball team. Somehow, when they need money in a few years, they’ll find a couple.
I hope they don’t go to the NFL system.
For what it’s worth, with the NFL at least you can argue that there are so few games a weak day or two through the season could justify allowing a wild card into the playoffs.
With baseball, though, there is little doubt about the long term best teams. One hundred and sixty two games later you find out who was consistently better against a large variety of opponents.
I hope they just go with champions. In reality, being champion of a 4 team division after 162 games is a fairly open opportunity for each of those teams.
I would prefer a tournament of champions.
It would not increase interest like an extended play off schedule.
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If they’re not interested after a 162 game season, then they aren’t gonna get interested.
The truth is that I watched far more baseball in the 60’s and 70’s even though it’s on TV nightly throughout the season.
Maybe familiarity does breed contempt...or at least being taken for granted.
Make it special to be there.
Far more people attend baseball games today than they did in the sixties and seventies. Far more people watch them today than during the sixties and seventies.
What about the teams that win more than the division champions in other divisions. A team could win their division winning 82 games while another team in another division could lose their division while winning 95 games.
Beside without the Wild Card. Many of the divisions and playoff schedules are set by early September leaving da couple dozen meaningless games to be played out on the schedule.
Of course more people do watch on any given night.
1. Population was about 175 million in 1960. It’s about 315 million today.
2. There were 3 television networks in 1960. There are hundreds today, not counting internet connections.
3. Using the world series as a standard of interest in baseball, since it is the championship, just going from 1986 to 2012, the market share went from 28 down to 7, from an average of 36 million viewers down to 12 million viewers.
4. Therefore, not only is the population larger, but the interest is smaller by percent and by actual numbers.
Those division winners having more or fewer games won could be argued on the basis of strength of their division.
But, if a second place team can’t win against their division first place team after all those games, then why should they get another shot at it?
Let’s make the season count. That will be a disincentive for lackadaisical play and a reward for trying harder.
The bottom line is, which approach puts more butts in seats?
It would sure liven up interest in the division games throughout the season, and a close race toward the end of the big 162 would make those similar to playoff games.
And when the playoffs begin, the tournament of champions from 8 divisions would have more games, because you’d get rid of that silly 1-game playoff.
Of course it is easy to be a fan of a team that buys a championship every four years.
The Yankees spent millions more than the next highest paying team this year and over $100. Million more than all but six teams.
They spent even more in 2012. Almost $40 million more than the next highest paying team.
In 2011: Same thing but worse, ALMOST SIXTY MILLION MORE that the next club.
It would be easier to list the years that the Yankees spent less than any other team in the league because over the last 100 years IT HAS NEVER HAPPENNED!
The reason why the NFL is so popular is that every team has the chance to compete. Where as in Baseball at least forty percent of the teams could never compete on a regular basis simply because the pigs at the trough don't care about competition. The Yankees gorge themselves on the talent of the small and mid market teams. They pilfer that talent that the other teams develop. They have every ability to do so because they control the league. They dictate the terms of revenue sharing, which is basically nonexistent. They also resist any change that would make for a more competitive and more subsequently interesting and successful league.
As for Socialist, the MLB is a FRANCHISE. They are independently owned teams, but like every franchise they are supposed to work as a group to increase the entire well being of the whole. Franchises do that through revenue sharing in the form of franchise fees and centralized purchasing. This allows for a consistent product. That is why a Big Mac in New York is the same as one in Dallas.
The fact that the MLB is a franchise makes the disparagement in salaries even more egregious.
A hard salary cap along with a hard salary basement coupled with real revenue sharing would make for a much more competitive league and thereby increase the value and profits of ALL THE TEAMS. That would than make the ability of an organization to judge talent and coach that talent much more important than their ability to write a big check to those players up for new contracts.
As it stands now New York can afford to make stupid trades and give massive contract because they know that no one can compete with them.
As for Cano, they can afford him. They can afford anything. They spend ten times what the lowest payroll team spends.
Why would that ever change without pressure from the other teams in the league. I cry for their inability to find the nickels in the sofa sign Cano. I some how believe that they will spend whatever they decide they need to if they really want him.
Mike Royko may have said it best: “Hating the Yankees is as American as pizza pie, unwed mothers, and cheating on your income tax.”
I hate the Yankees and all real Americans do. The skeevy crap hole New York and the front runners can have them. They are everything that is wrong with baseball.
Competition with other forms of entertainment and sports is also far greater than at any time in history.
Regardless of why, the increase in the playoffs adds more interest and more revenue to the game. That is makes the game more popular.
Well, if nothing else, it’s obvious that you and I like baseball. LOL!
It’s still my favorite sport, by far.
I like the old fashioned listening approach. Game on the radio in the background, family playing cards around the table, grandkids running in and out the house and underfoot.
And then you hear: “It’s going...it’s going...it’s GONE!”
Baseball Is the thinking mans game. It is best scene in person while listening to a true professional announcer over the radio or talking to a close friend or family member, especially a son or daughter.
When they won in 1996, they had the tenth highest payroll.
No, the idea that the Yankees just buy titles is a myth. Do you know how many of the current Yankees are homegrown? (A majority.) That’s doing it the old-fashioned way.
If small-market teams can never compete, how do you explain Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Tampa beings in the playoffs? How do you explain Arizona in 2011? They’re at a disadvantage, true, but they can compete if they decide to. Unfortunately, too many teams would rather lose, whine, and collect welfare from the large-market clubs.
A hard salary cap would merely inhibit creative clubs from competing. It would bring down player salaries without having much effect on the competition.
Typical Horse Crap from a Yankee throne sniffer.
They had the highest payroll in 1996 by 10% over the next highest team. They also had a median per player salary almost 30% higher than the next highest payroll.
Try some facts. They sell better.
The fact is that New York ALWAYS buys it’s championships. And all major league teams are MOSTLY home grown. It is in the ability to supplement your roster with the likes of A-Rod and the ability to resign your home grown talent through outspending your competition.
The idea that the majority of the league should have to plan on competing once every decade through herculean effort of the front office while New York simply writes checks is bologna.
The fact that almost every other team is unable to financially afford to spend half what the Yankees spend every year is more than a disadvantage. It is outright stupidity for the league to allow it. It destroys competition and reduces the popularity of the game.
Back in the 1970s, there was a professional hockey team named the Toronto Toros which relocated to Alabama and became the Birmingham Bulls. Kept the same jerseys, too. The owner, named John Bassett, owned the Tampa Bay team in the old USFL which challenged the NFL and his primary opposition in that rival league’s direction was Donald Trump. He was an interesting character in terms of sports business owners.
False; it's your opinion.
And all major league teams are MOSTLY home grown.
No, they're actually not. Most teams have a significant number of players from elsewhere. I keep track of teams' maneuvers. They aren't nearly as "homegrown" as you think. The Yankees are. Of course, that's because they've had a longtime core of players they developed who have helped them win. That longtime core is diminishing, but they still field a majority of players they developed.
A-Rod has done very little for the team; getting him was a very bad trade. (Thankfully, they finally got the guy they traded back.)
Most of the non homegrown players came over in trade.
Yes, the Yankees have money. They've won one World Series title in the last 13 years. The Diamondbacks and Marlins have won as many, and the Cardinals, Giants, and Red Sox have won more. Are they buying titles?
So this statement that these teams can only compete "once every decade through herculean effort of the front office while New York simply writes checks" is garbage. It is simply not true. (BTW, this is the second year in the same period that the Yankees have missed the playoffs altogether, although given the massive injuries they suffered, the fact that they competed until game 158 is pretty amazing.)
The Dodgers are the big spenders the last couple of years. Unfortunately, the Yankees are locked in to a couple of long, bad contracts. They're likely to lose Cano.
Try actual facts, not just spewing form a jealous small-market fan.