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Posted on 10/02/2013 8:59:10 AM PDT by 7thson

The reason for starting this general conversation is I am a comic fan - specifically the Marvel/DC line of superheros. I just watched FLASHPOINT. The story is how the Flash goes back in time, changes the event of his mothers death, and upon his return the earth is drastically changed. He never got the speed force and there is no Flash. Bruce Wayne is shot as a child and his father becomes a more darker Batman, dealing out death, and Bruce's mother becomes the Joker. Superman is taken into custody upon his landing on earth and kept away from the sun, thus no Superman. Aquaman and Wonder Woman are at war with each other. Those are just some of the differences.

During the final battle between Flash and Reverse Flash (Zoom), Zoom taunts Flash by saying instead of going back and saving someone great or preventing a villian from existing, he was selfish and just saved his mother. The examples given in the story are JFK and Hitler. Flash saves his mom instead of saving JFK. Flash doesn't go back and keep Hitler in art school and thus saving the world from WW II. My question is why this great fascination with JFK? Before being killed, his presidency was dead in the water. He probably would have lost in 64. And instead of preventing Hitler by going back and altering his life, why not go back further and prevent Marx and Engals from writing their trash? That way you possibly prevent Hitler but also Lenin, Stalin, USSR, Viet Nam, Pol Pot, Mao, and possibly Obama.

What is it with the liberals heros and villians? I get the impression that the majority of them are too ignorant to know history and so just lather, rinse, and repeat what they were taught. But there are a few who know how to keep these BS myths going.

What say you Freepers?

TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; History; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: conservatives; heros; liberals; villians

1 posted on 10/02/2013 8:59:10 AM PDT by 7thson
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To: 7thson

Could you at least have included a spoiler alert?

2 posted on 10/02/2013 9:07:24 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: 7thson

There was once a thread on Democratic Underground on just this subject, so if you want to know who Leftists despise more than anyone else in history, here it is:

If you could eliminate one person from history...who would it be?

The results:

#1: Ronald Reagan

#2: Adolph Hitler

#3: Various members of the Bush family

#4: (tie): Adam, Constantine, the Apostle Paul
#7: (tie): Abraham, Milton Friedman
#9: (tie): Lee Harvey Oswald, Ayn Rand, James Earl Ray, Phyllis Schlafly, Joseph Stalin
#14: (tie): Dick Cheney, Jesus Christ, Christopher Columbus, Oliver Cromwell, JC Bancroft Davis, Franz Ferdinand, Muhammed, Richard Nixon, Gavrilo Princip, George Washington

Bringing up the rear and fighting it out for 23rd place with a single vote each are:

Edward Bernays, John Wilkes Booth, Johnathan Edwards, Thomas Edison, Alexander Hamilton, Katherine Harris, Rush Limbaugh, Gengis Kahn, the father of the Koch Brothers, Vladimir Lenin, Moses, Thomas Midgley, Grover Norquist, Sarah Palin, Mitchell Palmer, Pol Pot, Maximilien de Robespierre, Joseph Smith, Theodosius, Theophilus of Alexandria, Hong Xiuquan, Mao Zedong

Well...that says quite a bit about where they’re coming from, I’d say.

3 posted on 10/02/2013 9:21:31 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: 7thson
Because everyone can relate the the assassination of a leader and the rise of hitter, but everything else gets a little more esoteric and requires more explanation. Saving his own mother shouldn't have changed the world except for changing his own timeline, which would prevent the flash and then the real consequences kick in.

Frankly, I find all the other differences mentioned to be pure laziness on the part of the writer, butterfly effect be damned. How does saving his mother kill Bruce Wayne as a child or cause Superman to be captured as a baby. Silly. "What If...?" was much better at that sort of thing as it used backstory and turning points. (Johnny Storm doesn't spend a night in some rundown hotel, he doesn't find and rescue Namor, who then doesn't go on to find and free Captain America, etc.)

In my mind, all stories of this sort need to compete with the Doctor Who episode "Turn Left", which took a couple of liberties but basically gave a reasonable alternate history.

4 posted on 10/02/2013 9:42:38 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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