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Bees can’t sniff out flowers because of CARS: Diesel fumes change the odor of blooms…
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 09:38 EST, 3 October 2013 | Sarah Griffiths

Posted on 10/03/2013 2:35:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Diesel pollution makes it harder for honeybees to find flowers by changing the chemical make-up of their scent, scientists have found.

Honeybees use floral odors to find flowers that will give the best yields of pollen and nectar, but diesel fumes can affect their ability to locate and recognize the plants, potentially affecting pollination and ultimately global food security.

British researchers took eight chemicals found in the odor of oilseed rape flowers and mixed them both with clean air, which had no impact on the scent, and air containing diesel fumes.

When mixed with diesel fumes, six of the eight chemicals reduced in volume and two disappeared completely within a minute, changing the chemical mix of the scent as it reacted with nitrogen oxides (NOx) found in the exhaust fumes. …

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Food; Health/Medicine; Travel
KEYWORDS: agriculture; bees; chemicals; dieselfumes; flowers; foodsecurity; honey; nox; pollination
Full Daily Mail title:
Bees can’t sniff out flowers because of CARS: Diesel fumes change the odor of blooms and could cause a global food crisis
Lab results not being the same as real-world results? Only place you have the highest concentrations of diesel fumes are in cities, and gasoline cars still outnumber them greatly. The honeybee problem is happening far from civilization, too.
1 posted on 10/03/2013 2:35:44 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Not to mention that bees use visual identification of flowers. I smell junk science.

/johnny

2 posted on 10/03/2013 2:39:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m so sick of these people.


3 posted on 10/03/2013 2:39:56 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Need health care? Dial 1-800-F***KYO to reach Obama's hotline)
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To: Olog-hai
Global Food Security IS EVEN MORE HARMED IF WE DON'T TRUCK THE FRIGGIN' FOOD TO MARKET, IDIOT!!!
4 posted on 10/03/2013 2:40:41 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Need health care? Dial 1-800-F***KYO to reach Obama's hotline)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Never mind transport it on diesel-powered cargo ships.


5 posted on 10/03/2013 2:43:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Hmmmm, did they test biodiesel?


6 posted on 10/03/2013 2:44:19 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Olog-hai

And what about the thousands of years of unabated wood and then coal burning? Bees were just fine back then and I’ll bet the atmosphere was smokier....


7 posted on 10/03/2013 2:45:21 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Olog-hai

Diesel smoke has been around 70 years


8 posted on 10/03/2013 2:47:24 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Sign at WWII Memorial: “NORMANDY WAS CLOSED WHEN WE GOT THERE, TOO.”)
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To: Olog-hai

Because diesel fumes have gradually become less polluting over the least few years, this problem should be getting BETTER, not worse.

EPA’s fault, 100%.


9 posted on 10/03/2013 2:47:37 PM PDT by upchuck (nobamacare must be stopped before it can live down to our expectations.)
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To: Olog-hai

What a lie - in my backyard this morning I watched several bees go from flower to flower with no hesitation and no uncertainty ...


10 posted on 10/03/2013 2:47:48 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: Olog-hai

“British researchers took eight chemicals found in the odor of oilseed rape flowers...”

Flowers, no means no!


11 posted on 10/03/2013 2:50:17 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Olog-hai

God should have put large colorful leafy thingys on flowers so that the bees could find them. He should have called the pedals.


12 posted on 10/03/2013 2:53:42 PM PDT by Rad_J
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To: Olog-hai

1) They seem to do just fine out on the farm, where the tractors have been using diesel for 70 years,

2) Bees seem to avoid smoke,...always have. Maybe that’s why bee-masters carry around a little can with coals to generate smoke when they are working around the bees.


13 posted on 10/03/2013 3:00:06 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Olog-hai

I think this article is BS. I have several oil wells om
my property and four supers full of bees by the back fence.
You can stand by the oil pumps with the bees all around
along with the smell of sweet Texas crude. They don’t seem
to be bothered with the smell. Ants don’t seem to mind
either. Some times they build a mound right around the well stem.


14 posted on 10/03/2013 3:01:08 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Diesel smoke has been around 70 years

Well, these people have always been slightly behind the power curve.

15 posted on 10/03/2013 3:06:32 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It does read as biased in a “green agenda” fashion. I wouldn’t expect a meaningful experiment to look like this. I’d rather expect it to use actual diesel engines and actual fields with actual bees. Do trucks roaring by bee fields affect the bees this badly? Maybe yes, maybe no, but how could we know without putting that to a literal test?


16 posted on 10/03/2013 3:09:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ken522

‘I watched several bees go from flower to flower with no hesitation and no uncertainty ...’

We need bees for Congressional leadership.


17 posted on 10/03/2013 3:11:01 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Olog-hai

bah


18 posted on 10/03/2013 3:11:55 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: AlmaKing

You would not be able to complain when you were stung by legislation, then (duck’n & runn’n)


19 posted on 10/03/2013 3:12:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai

Some very smart engineers are working on this problem of “Diesel fumes”. One of the prospective changes, and in fact, on the way to becoming fully realized, is the conversion of Diesel engines to compressed natural gas, with ZERO particulates, virtually stoichiometric combustion, which is the ideal ratio of air to fuel to allow all fuel to be burned with no excess air, meaning no Nitrogen Oxide complexes (NOx), no carbon monoxide, AND no sulfates.

But even on the short term, the refining of Diesel fuel to higher purity (minimizing sulfur content) and the use of urea injection (to control NOx emissions), has greatly reduced the potential for Diesels to cause any actual pollution.

There is a lot of phony junk science that “proves” one of the two remaining emissions of a Diesel engine, water vapor and carbon dioxide, is a dangerous “greenhouse gas”.

In the concentrations at which it exists in earth’s atmosphere, the most powerful and influential “greenhouse gas” of them all, water vapor, actually works to influence the moderation of earth’s atmospheric temperature. The other “greenhouse gas”, carbon dioxide, is in such minute quantity in relation to water vapor, it has virtually no effect on weather patterns or the regulation of temperature in the atmosphere.

Carbon dioxide makes up only about 350 parts per MILLION of the composition of our atmosphere, while the second most corrosive element in the universe makes up some 200,000 parts per million. Only fluorine is more reactive than oxygen, and neither can remain as an uncombined element for more than a very short while. In fact, if oxygen is not replenished at a very high rate throughout the world, it would be depleted entirely within a very few years. And oxygen requires the presence of carbon dioxide and water vapor to form:

6 H2O + 6 CO2 + (photosynthesis) -—> C6H12O6 + 6 O2

In order to breathe, the plants have to be making carbohydrates. They need to be sucking up huge quantities of carbon dioxide EVERY DAY.

Carbon dioxide is plant food.


20 posted on 10/03/2013 3:12:33 PM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: Olog-hai
This is just another study designed to get the results the author wanted.

Bees hunt flowers by sight not smell. That is the reason flowers have bright colors.

That is the reason flowers have bright colors.

That is also the reason bees may bother you in the summer if you are wearing certain colors.

21 posted on 10/03/2013 3:16:33 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Olog-hai

The problem is not this.


22 posted on 10/03/2013 3:17:29 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Olog-hai
One side-effect of pushing Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel fuel is that farmers now have to include broadcast of sulphur as an adjunct micronutrient for crops. Previously evil diesel engine polution had provided this benefit.
23 posted on 10/03/2013 3:26:07 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: JRandomFreeper

We’ll just make little signs for the bees.
What a stimulus package that could be!


24 posted on 10/03/2013 3:29:27 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: TurboZamboni

This sounds like a great federal grant for you.


25 posted on 10/03/2013 3:33:53 PM PDT by kempster
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To: Rodamala

Well, add sulphur to the fuel and problem solved? :-)


26 posted on 10/03/2013 3:35:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Rodamala

Dusting agricultural ground with “flowers of sulfur” is a practice which predates the adoption of Diesel power for machinery by many years. Essential in the irrigated lands of what was previously arid desert, because of the high alkalinity of the soil. The sulfur dust is converted to sulfate, which mitigates the very low pH of the soil, and enables the cultivation of plant species and varieties which need a more acidic pH for optimal growth.


27 posted on 10/03/2013 3:35:38 PM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: Cvengr
Bees use sight and smell to forage.

Sight helps them find nectar I'm close proximity.

Their acute smell helps, them find flowers from a long distance.

They will fly two miles to forage and they can't see a distance of two miles.

Those who say that bees do not use smell to find flowers are incorrect.

Beekeepers use smoke to interrupt their ability to smell and thus communicate via the release of pheromones.

28 posted on 10/03/2013 3:35:47 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: alloysteel

hmm, it is HIGH pH that constitutes alkalinity


29 posted on 10/03/2013 3:37:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: alloysteel

Thanks to common-rail pressurized direct fuel injection, diesel particulate filters and injecting urea into the exhaust gas stream to make it easier to remove NOx gases, today’s diesel engines easily meet the Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standard needed to sell a diesel-powered automobile in the USA. In fact, that’s why the Volkswagen Group (Audi/VW) are tremendously expanding their diesel production lineup in the US market. In fact, a 2013 Volkswagen Jetta diesel sedan is capable of over 40 mpg on the freeway at 65 mph easily.


30 posted on 10/03/2013 3:38:10 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: kempster

I could also wear a bee costume and apply for an NEA grant for ‘performance art’.


31 posted on 10/03/2013 3:41:11 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Damn, that was going to be my grant.


32 posted on 10/03/2013 3:42:23 PM PDT by kempster
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To: HiTech RedNeck

OK, acid condition is LESS than pH of 7, alkaline is MORE than pH of 7. Optimal for most crops is higher than 4, but less than 6.8 (It has been nearly 60 years ago when I studied that!)

Quick, which electrode on an electrical cell is the anode, and which is the cathode? (Trick question)


33 posted on 10/03/2013 3:45:37 PM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: alloysteel

Depends on whether you are Navy or Air Force.


34 posted on 10/03/2013 3:50:19 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: TurboZamboni; kempster
The secret is finding just the right like minded individuals to hang out with.

Blind Melon -- No Rain [vimeo link] music vid from '92

35 posted on 10/03/2013 4:12:32 PM PDT by BlueDragon (how does the barber charge a Norwegian for haircut? $2 a corner.How to bill a Finn? $8 a point)
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To: Oliviaforever

Outstanding post.

Thanks! ;^)


36 posted on 10/03/2013 4:28:57 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Olog-hai

Actually the result of this would be blooms in the future that have a more significant scent.


37 posted on 10/03/2013 4:33:21 PM PDT by JLS
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To: alloysteel

Per Wikipedia, electrons come from the anode i.e. it is the negative terminal.

Which is also where electrons come from a rectifier (tube or solid state).


38 posted on 10/03/2013 5:45:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: JLS

It sure seems weird all the panic over endangered species that comes from people pretty much madly in love with the idea that “natural selection” brought us the critters we have. Darwinism went on vacation??? Well yes, to cut to the chase I do believe in a God that created. Getting nature worshipers to change their tune is not possible without their being willing to worship God instead, but their replies before doing so are amusing.


39 posted on 10/03/2013 5:48:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Olog-hai.

Audi Makes A Great Diesel Car, But It’s Ignoring The Simplest Way To Promote Its New Technology
http://www.businessinsider.com/audi-ignores-easy-way-to-promote-diesel-2013-9


40 posted on 10/04/2013 4:58:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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